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@siva.webmaster91 wrote:

Hi Dimers,

I’m looking for a good reliable Vacuum cleaner for Home use.

Requirement:
1. Good, Reliable performance.
2. Low running costs (No expensive consumables)
3. No need of countless unnecessary extensions and accessories, we might use maximum of 2 heads – one for floor cleaning (Brush/Mop type), one for cobwebs on walls (Flat nozzle type)
4. Wet Vacuum not necessary, but good to have.

From my analysis, found that Karcher WD2/MV2 suits my bill. (Product Link: https://www.kaercher.com/uk/home-garden/vacuums...)

1. Would you recommend this? If not would you suggest better alternatives? (Eg. MV3)
2. Can you help find the best deal for this? As of now, the best I could find was in Amazon.in, for Rs.5999. (http://www.amazon.in/Karcher-WD2-1000-Watt-Vacu...)
3. Consumables: Can this be used without the paper bag (1 unit provided)? Or can I get after-market cloth-bag which I could wash and reuse? (Set of 5 original paper filter bags cost Rs.980)
4. Consumables: What kind of filter is to be used – cartridge or simple foam / sponge? Are after-market alternatives available for these?

Thanks!

wow ! really old timer :0

Siva Sir, though not aware of many of the things, can share a few things, I do know,
then too i may not have answers to your two pointed questions.

I merely looked around for the product you already narrowed down to check on its features/ feasibility.

So can not really speak on the best on-line deal as of now.

3] the filters are, I think, required to eliminate the bigger chunks or damaging shrapnel from reaching the main large container.

also, such filters are separately required for wet and dry operations respectively.

Source: Used this Bosch PAS 12-27 [similar to : either

or may be it is the smaller www.amazon.de/dp/B0001D1DJS
I think, to an extent the Karcher MV2 and PAS 11-21 are similar http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/8000_899...
they look similar http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71aBWAD0Q... and features too, also both are primarily for European markets.

1] answer to this depends on your requirement, aesthetics and budget.
from numerous home grown brands to on-line only re-branded Chinese stuff (JSB, Croma, Vu), to Koryo Haier type junk.

There is a market for everything and all of them do find buyers.

You say you do prioritise Value For Money;
and do not need a wet and dry model
and prefer Low running costs (No expensive consumables)

then do check if this big unit is ideal for you.

What I personally found on the Bosch was that 1100W power was sometimes an overkill (ditto IMO 1000 watts)
The units are NOT portable or easy to be used by younger children or tug along in one arm and use the hose with other hand type units,
they will necessarily need to be pulled around and need their own space to move.

for a small house with furniture or window grills with muck or rain water slush; even the portable ones [like, Eureka Forbes Easy Clean Plus] might suffice
But they can not be the primary floor cleaning unit for frequent use.

4. I think these are custom shaped unwoven type material and rugged enough for average use. (the pre-filters of fibre or cellulose (paper) type material usually have unique shape or pattern for the respective models.

I doubt that after market spares of Karcher will be available in our local markets. (I could be wrong).
but as far as I remember, we used that Bosch one cautiously and cleaning was only required to remove normal dust and soot.

Never had to go for frequent replacements to the filters.
[I am guessing here but I think if in a rare scenario that the filter is not present at all, then too I think the body itself shouldn’t be so delicate. or so it was in PAS]

at this price, if you can forgo the blowier functionality and are okay with the dimensions: I think it is a great buy . (mainly because of the marketplace/site being really great in going out of the way in case of any ifs and buts)

edit: @siva.webmaster91 i think this has a blower function, reading reviews on phone now, not easy.

but can verify tomorrow at 1800-1234-180 https://www.kaercher.com/in/inside-kaercher/com...

@siva just dug further and am pretty sure now, i think we had the smaller PAS 11-21

too late to call up family to go check up the model in the attic type storage.

but i can now remember, the filter on ours was somewhat stuck to the frame meant for it http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/8000_899...

power consumption wise i think not much to loose on bills, 700-800W smaller ones versus this 1000W

3. No need of countless unnecessary extensions and accessories

accessories wise, now almost all brands and all models have similar paraphernalia .

I really love the nearly 20 year old BPL Tornado Trendy we have, few chipped or damaged attachments but still a lovely unit in working order

so if you take a good vacuum cleaner, it’ll outlast way past its utility.

if you want to consider other smaller/ portable units from different brand; then I can recommend Black and Decker as a good brand.

something like http://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B017H6R4VC?ref_...

but again, for rugged day to day floor or carpets/rugs cleaning and cobwebs ; your choice is fairly good.

This is what we used till 2006-07 when we were at a bigger premises
[till my family bought this in late 1999, i used to think that such things are only for hotels or for industrial use.]

And your Karcher seems similar and a worthy product at a price point of 6000.

Just need to verify if the local service support network too is good, especially at the location where the unit will be in use.

@Spock wrote:

@siva just dug further and am pretty sure now, i think we had the smaller PAS 11-21

too late to call up family to go check up the model in the attic type storage.

but i can now remember, the filter on ours was somewhat stuck to the frame meant for it http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/8000_899...

power consumption wise i think not much to loose on bills, 700-800W smaller ones versus this 1000W

3. No need of countless unnecessary extensions and accessories

accessories wise, now almost all brands and all models have similar paraphernalia .

I really love the nearly 20 year old BPL Tornado Trendy we have, few chipped or damaged attachments but still a lovely unit in working order

so if you take a good vacuum cleaner, it’ll outlast way past its utility.

if you want to consider other smaller/ portable units from different brand; then I can recommend Black and Decker as a good brand.

something like http://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B017H6R4VC?ref_...

but again, for rugged day to day floor or carpets/rugs cleaning and cobwebs ; your choice is fairly good.

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This is what we used till 2006-07 when we were at a bigger premises
[till my family bought this in late 1999, i used to think that such things are only for hotels or for industrial use.]




And your Karcher seems similar and a worthy product at a price point of 6000.

Just need to verify if the local service support network too is good, especially at the location where the unit will be in use.

My Dear friend, I’m pleasantly surprised by your very detailed and enthusiastic reply on a rather bland one product! Thanks so much, bro! I thought I’d check this thread after the weekend to see if I got any reply at all!
And you went on to source so much of information, and even considered disturbing your family for this? These valuable inputs would suffice me for sure – would go ahead and place an order once my dad is okay with the ‘noisy’ aspect of this beast!

Btw, even I was considering Eureka Forbes Nano / Trendy models initially, but then thought lets invest in a dependable, good quality product since these stuff are usually a one-time buy and seldom do we upgrade. As you too had considered, brands like Bosch and this one (seems so, found recently) seem to be such reliable ones.

Thanks again, for your commitment in providing a detailed shopping suggestion – lets the mods take notice of your work!

@Siva wrote: enthusiastic reply on a rather bland one product! Thanks so much, bro!

nothing which any other dimer in a similar position wouldn’t have done Siva Anna

You welcome .
I too only noticed it because of three things:
1] as @Troll said; posted in the appropriate area.
2] you are amongst the earliest patron of the site who are still around.
3] I had some personal exposure of having handled a similar model as the one under consideration.

@Siva wrote: And you went on to source so much of information.. . . would go ahead and place an order once if my family is okay with the ‘noisy’ aspect of this beast!..

ignoring the odd occasions when lending a helping hand to others in their home, I myself never had any other units in our home except a B&D and this Bosch few years back in Purwakarta.
and the good ol’ workhorse BPL Tornado Trendy earlier and those small car models (junk) and the Eureka Forbes hand-held.

all in all, if my memory serves me right, the Bosh unit did not make an exceptionally louder noise in comparison to, say, the other 750-800W hand-held or all purpose models I have come across.

But to each their own. I presume the Karcher model too would be similar to what i remember of the PAS 11-21 (confirmed it. we had the small model).

@Siva wrote:..but then thought lets invest in a dependable, good quality product since these stuff are usually a one-time buy and seldom do we upgrade…

i second the thought process.

but like you said; one time purchase = one has to give a deep thought to long term serviceability.

that day itself I realise and saw it on conrad or amazon UK that the pre-filer and the filter drum have unique corrugated design and specifications and it may not always be easily within reach to source the same in the after-market area or the local spare places.

I may be wrong though.

@Siva wrote: From my analysis, found that Karcher WD2/MV2 suits my bill.

1. Would you recommend this? If not would you suggest better alternatives? (Eg. MV3)

I hope, as an added convenience, you create a paper trail (nee documentary evidence) by writing to the seller; asking whether it is the WD2 or the MV2 (or WD3 / MV3) that we can expect.

WDn and MVn are different products after all.

I am not so sure if apart from the hold capacity; are their any other fundamental difference/s between the MV2 and MV3 ?
Best wishes on whatever you finalise with .

@Spock wrote:

@Siva wrote: enthusiastic reply on a rather bland one product! Thanks so much, bro!

nothing which any other dimer in a similar position wouldn’t have done Siva Anna

You welcome .
I too only noticed it because of three things:
1] as @Troll said; posted in the appropriate area.
2] you are amongst the earliest patron of the site who are still around.
3] I had some personal exposure of having handled a similar model as the one under consideration.

@Siva wrote: And you went on to source so much of information.. . . would go ahead and place an order once if my family is okay with the ‘noisy’ aspect of this beast!..

that my friend is what it boils down to. end users comfort level or personal preference.

ignoring the odd occasions when lending a helping hand to others in their home, I myself never had any other units in our home except a B&D and this Bosch few years back in Purwakarta.
and the good ol’ workhorse BPL Tornado Trendy earlier and those small car models (junk) and the Eureka Forbes hand-held.

all in all, if my memory serves me right, the Bosh unit did not make an exceptionally louder noise in comparison to, say, the other 750-800W hand-held or all purpose models I have come across.

But to each their own. I presume the Karcher model too would be similar to what i remember of the PAS 11-21 (confirmed it. we had the small model).

@Siva wrote:..but then thought lets invest in a dependable, good quality product since these stuff are usually a one-time buy and seldom do we upgrade…

i second the thought process.

but like you said; one time purchase = one has to give a deep thought to long term serviceability.

that day itself I realise and saw it on conrad or amazon UK that the pre-filer and the filter drum have unique corrugated design and specifications and it may not always be easily within reach to source the same in the after-market area or the local spare places.

I may be wrong though.

@Siva wrote: From my analysis, found that Karcher WD2/MV2 suits my bill.

1. Would you recommend this? If not would you suggest better alternatives? (Eg. MV3)

going back to this, I tried to check but in no way from the listings alone can one be sure ‘whic’ model is on sale.

I hope, as an added convenience, you create a paper trail (nee documentary evidence) by writing to the seller; asking whether it is the WD2 or the MV2 (or WD3 / MV3) that we can expect.

WDn and MVn are different products after all.

I am not so sure if apart from the hold capacity; are their any other fundamental difference/s between the MV2 and MV3 ?
Best wishes on whatever you finalise with .

I had waited for a good deal and finally got a Karcher WD3 delivered today for about 6K (after PayTm cashback) [Deal link: http://www.desidime.com/forums/hot-deals-online...]

[Effectively, its still about Rs.8k, cuz the cashback I received from PayTm was hacked by someone: http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...]

A little hassle for the product I received had some broken plastic pieces and a big crack on the cover – nothing of the sort that would impact its working, but may affect the longevity. Here are the pictures, what do you think, should I return it or start using it?
Note: I may not get such a deal again in near future.