Avoid Aadhaar at all costs

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StupendousMan

2016-12-02

Huge mistake...UGEEEE http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Aadhaa... Why aadhaar is a danger that looms and will destroy the whole country Aadhaar is based on biometric verification coupled with manual verification as per UIDAI. So when you produce your aadhaar card for verification the verifier matches your face with that of the pic(manual verification) and you might at some places like JIO sim purchase will be asked to use your fingerprint(biometrics verification). Iris scanners are rarely available for verification. So person with a matching face and stolen fingerprints can pose as you and that will enable him to withdraw money from banks, avail subsidies, enter a place and commit crime(as you). KYC at most places just needs Aadhaar number and does not need you to match your biometrics again. That's all it take to verify your identity, one can print the aadhaar with his own pic and your aadhaar number. How can someone steal my biometrics? Any tom, dick and harry is authorised for unmonitered aadhaar verification and it can happen at any small mobile recharge outlet(sim purchase) or via any private company. Paytm/Shaadi.com etc are now using Aadhaar verification. Hence, there is absolutely no control over your private data. Any one can use it to know about you and your address and details with just the number printed on the piece of paper UIDAI gave to you. How grave is it? Suppose a hacker steals your biometrics(you fingerprints and Iris data). You can change ATM card and PIN, not your biometrics. Once it's stolen and sold in underworld it's gone forever... Now it can be used to make fake aadhaar cards and used to commit crimes in your name. Aadhaar enables govts,private players,criminals & foreign hand to screw India & Indians by surveillance, exclusion, biometric id theft & war. To remind you all the data will be accumulate on a server, in case of a cyber war guess what will be the first choice of hackers? As corporate India's policies and and ethics go by if someone sneaks in their system and accesses the data from UIDAI, they won't even inform the authorities for fear of bad publicity.(Refer to the latest bank passwords leaks from Yes bank/SBI) Aadhaar now can be used as Password/PIN from any place! Think...you use your thumb impression at a place and the malacious device stores your print on the device. You have also given your aadhaar number. That's all needed to empty your bank account or forge a fake duplicate ID. Surveillance They want to control everything...your birth record, school record, marriage record, your property record, your money, EVERY DAMN THING.So government and private players suddenly get an unimaginable degree of power over you and can crush you entirely if they want. That was never possible when you had specific id cards for specific well defined needs, like passport, driving license. Aadhaar is a piece of paper, unlike a driving licence or new chip-based passport. So all they need to duplicate is paper and a printer.For Aadhaar you simply have NOTHING. If they delete your entry or corrupt it, all systems will stop identifying you. You won't exist according to the gov. All areas of your life will be Aadhaar linked and suddenly you will LOSE ACCESS TO ANY DAMN NORMAL PART OF LIFE. Your salary won't get credited, your savings can't get withdrawn, you can't buy anything in the 'cashless' world, NOTHING. A guy who's aadhaar invalidated now has nowhere to go https://twitter.com/DDSez/status/751437147408...12 Dictatorship NIAI Bil of UPA and Aadhaar Act of Modi say..Only UIDAI can make complaints.You are banned to approach even judiciary! UIDAI has no obligation to help. Aadhaar Act explicitly gave govt power to do whatever the hell it wants in name of 'public emergency' & national security. BJP gov introduces the Aadhaar bill as money bill in in LokSabha where it has majority(Money bill is not discussed in Rajyasabha, where BJP doesn't have a majority). http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/is-the-aa... Why the gov needed to pass the bill like thieves? Coz everyone was against the bill. Jairam Ramesh's petition in SC regarding the same http://thewire.in/31297/the-aadhaar-act-is-not-... Supreme court's decision that says aadhaar is non-mandatory document SC's verdict(Sep 2016) that says aadhaar is NOT mandatory AFTER Aadhaar bill https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuQrphqW8AEZE...pg Government defying SC's ruling: aadhaar mandatory for IRCTC tickets http://trak.in/tags/business/2016/07/07/irctc-i... aadhaar mandatory for LPG subsify http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Aadhaa... Worst now Gov forces to organ donor's need to have aadhaar to get an organ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/h... The truth of all the tall claims of security and non-duplicacy of aadhaar http://www.ibtimes.co.in/after-lord-hanuman-dog... Analysis basically plugs data from UIDAI's own 2012 pilot testing for false positives and negatives into proper maths. It predicts scaled at 1.2 billion, 1 in 121 biometrics will accidentally match someone. False negatives means you got an Aadhaar, and u are in Aadhaar database, but still system fails to recognize u. Just like false +ves depriving ppl of Aadhaar, false -ves exclusion has anecdotal evidence & news reports. As per affidavit submitted by Union Of India and Others to SC, 8 crore Aadhaar applications have been rejected so far. Still Dogs, trees and chairs have got Aadhaar. Read this article composed based on UIDAI's own data http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/F... (Excerpt) Conclusions: We have considered the biometric identification programme of the UIDAI, and for varying levels of population estimated the proportion of duplicands: persons whose biometric identifiers match that of some other person. These proportions are too high: and indicate that the programme would badly fail to uniquely identify individuals. The estimation depends on the results of one experiment conducted by the UIDAI itself, and requires the elementary knowledge of the differential calculus, only... False promises BJP called aadhaar as fruad and promised to squash it if voted in power http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/Aadhaar... http://m.firstpost.com/politics/bjp-attacks-aad... Falsified claims of savings on DBT via aadhaar linking http://indianexpress.com/article/business/busin... http://www.business-standard.com/article/econom... http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/03/21/i... Don't be fooled...There is absolutely nil benefits of Aadhaar and the cons eclipse if any. UK voted for the party that promised to repleal the biometric IDs. They knew its evil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Cards_Ac... How to make fake fingerprints commercially available means. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-replaced-my-... Goodluck securing things in this digital age when the latest and the best tech is open to hackers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/23/every_l... P.S I have copied most of above from twitter account of https://twitter.com/Stupi...ur even though I knew the perils of Aadhaar, this guy helped me gain more insight.

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desiman

2016-12-03

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the topic was demonitisation only which lead to arguments and then escalating

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desiman

2016-12-03

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I know some of the people are in support of cashless economy but it needs to be done in a planned and systematic way and not just forced overnight as what’s happening now

If we don’t agree to any XYZ political parties ideology then what’s the problem we live a democratic country and everyone has right to own opinion

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Mirror

2016-12-03

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Check few comments you will realize some are interested in politics not on problems .
In India ppl do politics more rather than solving and discussing an issue , which results issue never ends and so on politics too never end .

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superwoman

2016-12-03

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many intellectuals say why to blame any Govt for the mess it has been creating…. and we should be careful etc.

its the govt who brings out these n number of cards and then forces us to use it. why do these mobile operators prefer only aadhar as proof….

UPA had introduced this bogus aadhar card to which the great grand BJP opposed and said we will scrap it…. so what happened to that… how to trust these thugs who have been robbing the common man time and again in the name of fake nationalism and patriotism….

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Mirror

2016-12-03

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Now in this thread where point of nationalism or patriotism came ? Now who is hitting this point here ? And why ? Using aadhar or not using aadhar is no where related to these .

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iHuntDeals

2016-12-03

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@Stupendous Man
Scary food for thought. Thank for posting. I need to read it in greater detail
I’m just wondering though, whether the person actually knows what he’s taking about when he says that “1 in 121 biometrics will accidentally match someone”. Is it because of the way the data is captured and matched in the Aadhaar system? Because otherwise, fingerprint (almost) uniqueness would not have been used worldwide as a means of identifying people. And in the case of Aadhaar it’s the fingerprint + iris scan. So the false matches must be because of the way the data is captured and matched. 1 in 121 is just too high. Are our software systems really that bad?

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StupendousMan

2016-12-03

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The data was accumulated and derived by UIDAI themselves and still they went ahead with it. Clearly shows how less they cared about citizen’s safety. There are various reasons why that would happen. As mentioned in my post Aadhaar depends upon two measures ‘biometrics’ and ‘manual’. Two person looking alike will pass through the manual verification. Biometrics scan is not available everywhere and where it is has only one, most likely fingerprint. The data was mathematically derived depending upon how close the two can match. Even with iris scanner the permutation remains the same.

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superwoman

2016-12-03

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Government gears up to facilitate Aadhar based financial transactions through mobile phone

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puneboy

2016-12-03

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how someone can copy fingerprints and use it in bank??? please give more explaination on this. i think biometric is best if it includes fingerprint validation for online too using finger print scanner.

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StupendousMan

2016-12-03

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The more unauthorised places you use your prints the more open you are open to ID theft. One can even pick your fingerprints from your mobile phone.

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panchabhut

2016-12-03

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Many countries have the requirement of some form of Mandatory unique identifier for the purpose of social security benefits. In India, presently there are multiple different identifiers, each mandated by a different Govt authority. If you earn income beyond a certain level, you need to pay tax. For which, you must have PAN card (from IT Dept). If you want to exercise your voting rights, you need to have a Voter Card (from Election Commission). If you are in service and have PF, you need to have a UAN Card (from EPFO). Adhaar was developed with the objective of removing he need for all these multiple cards and move towards an unique number. The problem is not with Adhaar per se but with the way it is being implemented.
The Adhaar database should be secured. But right now, several private operators and even small time persons have been given authorisation to function as local service providers. They get in their hand a huge database of information which could be utilised wrongly. The recent demonetisaiton has forced Govt to accept this fact and both IT dept and RBI are looking into the possibility of misuse of identity through these local service providers in remote locations to open Jan Dhan Accounts in false names and convert black money into white.
The standard verification process involves Biometric+Email or OTP+Email. Every time the Adhaar database is accessed for verification, either through Biometric or for OTP, a Email is sent to the registered mail ID also. Ideally, it should be a 2 factor authentication i.e. Biometric+OTP but right now it is single factor. Sooner or later, it need to move to two factor authentication.
Anyone who thinks that they are living in an island in this age is living in a fool’s paradise. Linkage of Bank account and credit cards with PAN, mobile number and Email have been done ages ago. UAN+Bank Account+PAN seeding is already complete. Through online filing of returns, PAN is linked with email and mobile number. Through mandatory online verification, UAN is linked with Email and mobile number. All your e-wallets also are linked to Email and mobile numbers. Every single online transaction that you do using your credit or debit card further adds to these linkages. Every time you use a card to load money to a wallet, if the registered Email/mobile numbers are different, the two get cross referenced into the linked data base.
So whether you take Adhaar number or not, Big Brother is already watching you.
The only exception are those who do not have any online presence, do not have a bank account and function exclusively in cash. The demonetisaiton is to bring them into the system.

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StupendousMan

2016-12-03

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The problem lies that Aadhaar requires your biometrics and unlike PAN or DL will render you invalid and what you have. US SSN doesn’t require biometrics and UK voted against it 10 years back. When such low corruption and high digital penetration countries are not ready for cashless life and biometrics ID do you really think we are? Even with 2 step authentication the chances of duplicate authorisation are high.

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StupendousMan

2016-12-03

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I don’t know whether I am talking to the same person.

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shivanshu.k507

2016-12-04

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Post written by aam admi party…. Utter bs….

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desiman

2016-12-04

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marketdimer

2016-12-04

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aadhar now mandatory for senior citizens to get rail concession. kuch din baad saans lene ke pehle bhi aadhar dikhana padega kya?

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desiman

2016-12-04

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sabka aadhar hi hoga…. yeh card

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kjdfhvkldfjghkd

2016-12-04

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I myself used an edited Farzi aadhar as identity card (for a specific purpose) Just print a paper and voila.! You are someone else

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RichSoul

2016-12-04

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Guys, Aadhar is a project started with good intentions and lots of amazing guys working behind it. Like every govt project, this one also launched before getting mature or production ready. People from bureaucracy have other priorities than working on the edge cases.

Nothing is black and white. Better to stay away from Aadhar if you are a privacy freak. It may change in future.

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desiman

2016-12-04

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but govt says we have all black money in circulation

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mahidesideam

2016-12-05

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It’s future so live along with it

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StupendousMan

2016-12-05

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That’s the approach I am not comfortable with. If gov wants to make it the future they have to make it fail proof and secure it ten-x but rather they are day-dreamers.

Remember the baby who cries get the food. Don’t demand and you won’t get it. If you are not aware of the impending dangers and take precautions then you will be sitting helplessly wishing that something could have been done when there was time.

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2016-12-06

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Simple,avoid using Aadhar Card as much as we can.
It will upgrade when something wrong will happen in future. Waiting for an upgraded Aadhar.

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StupendousMan

2016-12-06

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An article from someone who has worked on biometric IDs and his view on Aadhaar
https://medium.com/@jackerhack/a-rant-on-aadhaa...

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ishubhamsr

2016-12-06

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What some of us here are not able to see is the supremacy of it and that’s the only problem with it.

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tattibhakt

2016-12-06

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i am very scared of this aadhar card… will modi raid innocent people with this card??? please confirm

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AmyG

2016-12-06

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Firstly just specify me from where you got this cool name?

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marketdimer

2016-12-06

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Aadhar now features on cheques. Soon it’ll be mandatory for cheque payments. BOI and IOB already launched new aadhar coloum cheque leafs.

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desiman

2016-12-07

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is the number pre-printed on the cheque

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suyash.friendz642

2016-12-10

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Please tell me what details were shared …. Im inquisitive

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goss8877

2016-12-11

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Need Edward Snowden of India to avoid aadhar at all costs

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srocks

2016-12-14

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desiman

2016-12-13

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Coming soon: No cheques without Aadhaar details

http://www.business-standard.com/article/econom...

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arya10

2016-12-14

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Yar aadhar card k bina to courier wale parcel tk nhi dete…thet note down it’s number for any prepaid parcel….how to manage this

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StupendousMan

2016-12-14

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They ask for ID NOT Aadhaar. You can use any other ID.

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luckyk

2016-12-14

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~~delete~~

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StupendousMan

2016-12-15

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Not reading above comment…

REMOVED

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StupendousMan

2017-01-11

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http://www.financialexpress.com/economy/soon-ev...

Aadhaar will soon be mandatory for filing police case….reason?
Ans: None. Gov just wants to bully you into accepting Aadhaar coz they can. Welcome to democracy, you have freedom of nothing.

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forgotten

2017-01-11

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dont hv aadhar / so much already …. ration card /voter card /pan card /debit card/
and waiting for DD Card

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StupendousMan

2017-01-11

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Railways forces mandatory Aadhaar for availing senior citizen discount
https://thewire.in/84719/indian-railways-puts-a...

SC earlier shut down attempt to make Aadhaar mandatory for scholarships
https://thewire.in/68105/supreme-court-shuts-ma...

But now SC has decided to side with the Gov by staying silent and not hearing the pending PIL against the validity of mandatory nature of Aadhaar as projected by the Modi Gov.

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typhoon

2017-01-11

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Samsung Galaxy S8 and in Samsung Pay i think so.

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aammangobhakt

2017-01-11

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happy2prog

2017-01-11

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The simplest and MOST IMPORTANT step one should take now is to do this:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/features/how-t...

https://resident.uidai.net.in/biometri...ck

That is to LOCK your Biometrics Information for ANY VERIFICATION! That means no one (even UIDAI) (as said by them cant confirm though) can use your stored biometrics for ANY VERIFICATION/Authentication WHATSOVER, until obviously you unlock it online.
By doing this your Aadhar would now be just like any other Number based ID Card.

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StupendousMan

2017-01-12

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We talk about technology yet majority of us are unfamiliar with it. My parents can’t even use an android phone more than making calls, learning how to store a number was a uphill task for them.
Quoting the para from the news article which reflects one of my concerns behind making this thread—
“However, there have been a couple of cases where people have claimed misuse of Aadhaar biometric authentication. People who haven’t used their Aadhaar card for a while have received an email from UIDAI stating that their data has been accessed via biometric authentication. This is obviously quite alarming.”

Now, Aadhaar being bio-metrically verified how is that possible? This itself shows that its not a foolproof ID. The chances of duplicity is quite big(as accepted by UDAI itself).