China blocks India's entry to Nuclear Supplier's Group (NSG) - Don't buy Chinese Products

@Beinghuman wrote:

@Spock wrote:

@Beinghuman wrote: ..but in my personal opinion this is the time.. !

for ?

Ending all bilateral relationship with Chinese Govt !

this is the time for ?

For ex. Mostly All mobile accessories as well as mobile parts are bought from China and then assembled in India. You can imagine how it will effect.
Also I think in absence of racing with china’s technology, We would have been on Android Kitkat version till now.

So There hand is necessary but within limits. Like increasing sales opportunities of Indian goods in Chinese markets and improving ourselves quality of goods as well as service. Also If Indian market and suppliers make themselves adaptive to Chinese technology and apply that knowledge to manufacture and produce Indian goods with Home resources, then it will automatically reduce there share in Indian Market as well.

@Magus wrote: ..A very few people know that it is all because of our stupidity…

when i saw this topic (and did not see you in it)

i was like, should i tag him; should i tag him not..

more so because mention of the ‘ramva’ (playing/leisure time) activity of chilling on the swing/ jhula
in some comment above reminded me of the joke i cracked earlier.

back when the Gujarat marketing agenda has put the Chinese premier in Gujarat on his visit.
and the thoroughbred Gujju PM was giving him a walk through of the ‘Indian culture’.

i had quipped that the Chinese premier would make the Indian guys go through the local martial art and fight sequences when they visit China.

and tell them to make some dolls or PCBs in 5-10 minutes, which was about the time the Indians made them waste on the swings/ jhula and ‘culture’.

as a nation we are bloody kaam-chors and ’jugaad oriented and trying to cut corners. being a multi party democracy and having more corruption in our veins than blood .. is sone pe suhaga .

Societies like Korea, Japa, China where hierarchy and consensus (and face saving as an organisation or country)
are primary ethics.. and where authoritative put visionary regimes plan out for decades
(these societies) will always (A L W A Y S) be miles ahead in productivity and even per capita productivity even if they have zero growth (CAGR) in the next few decades.

Japan, Germany rebuilt themselves from scratch, like literally rose after being flattened. China has gone back to allow people to reproduce more than once. (they do not want to end up like Japan worrying about the old who do not die and no fresh hands to take care of things). they have the State is God kind of culture, be it the Monarchs or the Military.

Kaam-chors and literally looters plunderers like us Indians, can not should not even dream of getting even half way through that stage for the next 25-30years.

logically, we can not even do so with the Eskimos. (cut off complete official contacts)

let alone with someone with whom we share such a vast border with and have so much cross border movement of people and goods.

besides, even otherwise they are a substantial power in any and every aspect one looks at, so it is again impractical and may I say ‘impossible’ to do an ISIS on them. (cut off all diplomatic ties)

edit: @Beinghuman (forgot to tag)

Hindi chinni bye bye..

@Spock wrote:

@Beinghuman wrote: ..but in my personal opinion this is the time.. !

for ?

this is the time for ?

@Beinghuman wrote:

Let Govt decide on that , but in my personal opinion this is the time !

they can’t do that…govt has to take lot things into account ..our economy also depends upon China..but yes..govt should give an indication that path will be rough for China in terms of business in India…

@Spock wrote:

logically, we can not even do so with the Eskimos. (cut off complete official contacts)

let alone with someone with whom we share such a vast border with and have so much cross border movement of people and goods.

besides, even otherwise they are a substantial power in any and every aspect one looks at, so it is again impractical and may I say ‘impossible’ to do an ISIS on them. (cut off all diplomatic ties)

edit: @Beinghuman (forgot to tag)

Ther are may wise me in the MHA to handle these things. Knee jerk reactions like cutting of ties dont work, instead it increases enimity(v r not even good in defending against china)

Our govt is very good in advertising and hyping issues. Even v join in thru social media. But diplomacy is more effective thru backdoors. Our pm took so much trouble in going to mexico, Switzerland and tashkent but what happnd Switzerland and china ditched us.
We have to create a situation slowly such that one day china cannot refuse a vote in favour of us.

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@xefer wrote:

i appreciate (and admire) the pure innocence and the childlike conviction you have

i forgot to quote @Beinghuman , whose reply to me was what the said reply (from me) was for.

If MKG were accidentally alive today he’d go back those many decades back, snatch the gun/ tamcha/ revolver off Mr. Godse and
have would have shot himself repeatedly.

also, not to belittle what MKG could achieve in his time and not to get into a semi-hypothetical what if dual on history; but the events leading up to what we saw had multitude of factors coming IN from all directions;

and not one or two things in isolation.

i’d recuse myself from breaking the mirage; that the unity from 70 years back can be replicated now.

THROW away your LAPTOPS and iPHONES.

p.s. Please pm the location where you are throwing it.

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ther are may wise me in the MHA to handle these things. Knee jerk reactions like cutting of ties dont work, instead it increases enimity(v r not even good in defending against china)

Our govt is very good in advertising and hyping issues. Even v join in thru social media. But diplomacy is more effective thru backdoors. Our pm took so much trouble in going to mexico, Switzerland and tashkent but what happnd Switzerland and china ditched us.
We have to create a situation slowly such that one day china cannot refuse a vote in favour of us.

What was the trouble he took to go to Mexico and Switzerland? Get into the plane and relax while the crew is working.

@ranjithsai01 wrote:

@pikkuboss wrote:

@ranjithsai01 wrote:

@Navneet wrote:

@Beinghuman wrote:

Let Govt decide on that , but in my personal opinion this is the time !

Govt. should increase anti dumping duty to two times of present rate
China exports rice at very cheap rate however our govt. impose 100% ADD so to restrict rice imports, similarly they can increase rates on other products and promote Make in India instead of Import in India

Anti dumping duty cannot be imposed as per whims and fancies of any country who are signatory to WTO guidelines. They would have to do it as per the guidelines agreed upon in the agreements.

Smart government can do anything. India will impose those duties forcefully, then China will file a case in WTO. WTO will take at least 5 years to solve the case. India will further delay the case by excuses. So, what will we have to do in that 5 years? We will promote make in India, We will find alternatives of China in all places. By the time the case is resolved, India will be independent of Chainese products. India will revoke the duties on chainese products, but by that time, we will have either made it in India or got alternatives of Chinese products. WTO will just see. All this is possible if govt take it seriously.

Wish it was so simple

@Spock wrote:

@ashok_rambhia wrote: ..Boycott Every Chinese Product Which is Available in India..

@pikkuboss wrote: ..promote make in India, We will find alternatives of China in all places…
…but by that time, we will have either made it in India or got alternatives of Chinese products…

@enapster wrote:

THROW away your LAPTOPS and iPHONES.

p.s. Please pm the location where you are throwing it.

@G@urav wrote:

Well my stupidity might be evident from my question but how is it responsible in here.

Check chat.

@Magus wrote:

@gambitrite wrote:

@hsagent wrote:

Even swiss voted against us
Ab kya karoge
Honeymoon par switzerland jana band?

New Zealand, South Africa, Austria also are against us.

Arey… Indian Govt. itself is against Indians. What to do?

Note: I didn’t mean BJP alone.

@gambitrite wrote:

It’s because most of the Indians are selfish in nature. They will just keep watching when the neighbours is on fire instead of helping them. They never think that if they don’t stop the fire, it will start spreading to the surrounding houses also. Only when the fire spreads to their house, they start cursing that no one is helping them.

Exactly! I had one word for it: “stupidity”.

@enapster wrote:

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ther are may wise me in the MHA to handle these things. Knee jerk reactions like cutting of ties dont work, instead it increases enimity(v r not even good in defending against china)

Our govt is very good in advertising and hyping issues. Even v join in thru social media. But diplomacy is more effective thru backdoors. Our pm took so much trouble in going to mexico, Switzerland and tashkent but what happnd Switzerland and china ditched us.
We have to create a situation slowly such that one day china cannot refuse a vote in favour of us.

What was the trouble he took to go to Mexico and Switzerland? Get into the plane and relax while the crew is working.

@Magus wrote:

@enapster wrote:

THROW away your LAPTOPS and iPHONES.

p.s. Please pm the location where you are throwing it.

Call me when you are going there.

@enapster wrote:

Sure, seeing the sudden anti-China sentiment that I see here, I am sure many of them will throw away their iPhones.

Not just iPhones, they have to throw away most of their gadgets and appliances.

@gambitrite wrote:

@enapster wrote:

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ther are may wise me in the MHA to handle these things. Knee jerk reactions like cutting of ties dont work, instead it increases enimity(v r not even good in defending against china)

Our govt is very good in advertising and hyping issues. Even v join in thru social media. But diplomacy is more effective thru backdoors. Our pm took so much trouble in going to mexico, Switzerland and tashkent but what happnd Switzerland and china ditched us.
We have to create a situation slowly such that one day china cannot refuse a vote in favour of us.

What was the trouble he took to go to Mexico and Switzerland? Get into the plane and relax while the crew is working.

Hello Child, where do you stay? Let me come & take some lessons from you as to how you go about your entire day without help of others.

@enapster wrote:

@gambitrite wrote:

@enapster wrote:

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ther are may wise me in the MHA to handle these things. Knee jerk reactions like cutting of ties dont work, instead it increases enimity(v r not even good in defending against china)

Our govt is very good in advertising and hyping issues. Even v join in thru social media. But diplomacy is more effective thru backdoors. Our pm took so much trouble in going to mexico, Switzerland and tashkent but what happnd Switzerland and china ditched us.
We have to create a situation slowly such that one day china cannot refuse a vote in favour of us.

What was the trouble he took to go to Mexico and Switzerland? Get into the plane and relax while the crew is working.

Hello Child, where do you stay? Let me come & take some lessons from you as to how you go about your entire day without help of others.

ROFLMAOYSST (Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off Yet Somehow Still Typing) – Some nut replied to me!

@Magus wrote:

@enapster wrote: p.s. Please pm the location where you are throwing it.

Call me when you are going there.

the wired lines have a lot of material supplies from vendors who procured things with ‘Country of Origin’ as China
and
Huawei and others had most of BSNL’s recent big contracts.

even most of the ICs in the PCBs on your phone are Taiwanese (China claims Taiwan is partly their territory).

NO CALL possible. sab China ka hai.

unless ISRO satellites send you a personal relay, haina @pikkuboss ?

@Spock wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@enapster wrote: p.s. Please pm the location where you are throwing it.

Call me when you are going there.

no calling possible please

the wired lines have a lot of material supplies from vendors who procured things with ‘Country of Origin’ as China
and
Huawei and others had most of BSNL’s recent big contracts.

even most of the ICs in the PCBs on your phone is Taiwanese (China claims Taiwan is partly their territory).

NO CALL possible. sab China ka hai.

unless ISRO satellites send you a personal relay, haina @pikkuboss ?

Maine Pyar Kiya !

those eyes .. .. still look the same.

@Spock wrote:

…

unless ISRO satellites send you a personal relay, haina @pikkuboss ?

ROFL!

Admire the wisdom and knowledge of few selective ppl here who could be found at any turn of life showering their “I know all knowledge” but are afraid to be proud and accept their own birth place after have attained so called status in society. Change could be good or bad but it’s atleast better than waiting and doing nothing

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ppl shud understand china can never be a good friend . Some ppl must have got a wrong impression by seeing modi and Xi jinping jhula jhuloing that v may b best friends. This shud b another eye opener for our govt to to realise how to deal with china..

Forget the nsg membership v r not getting it atleast for some years.
Let me rimind v already have nsg waiver of 2008.

China in P5 of UNSC , kashmir , Nuclear Test skipped on invite of keneedy , veto power , IMF , these are problems given by whom ??
all above are linked with each other if you go in deep . why we loved China so much at that time ??

NSG is just only for modern technology and bigger reach to raw material . even without it india can expand its project with self research . it was fight b/w mainly China vs USA , USA asked other nations too to support and china was opposing it loudly.
and now Obama will not be there next year so USA may not support india from outside too like Obama .

But something gone wrong when Swiss govt opposed it , as they were backing india till then , and this move is shocking more than china . decision of swiss govt was seems taken in no time or anything happened behind the curtains which changed the scenario .

btw leaving chinese items is not so easy , bcoz every final product have some parts made in china bcoz of cheaper cost .
so to fight with them india need to attack indirectly over its economy and import of raw material from china and political interference .

@goyal.dkg wrote:

@mr.lonely wrote:

Ppl shud understand china can never be a good friend . Some ppl must have got a wrong impression by seeing modi and Xi jinping jhula jhuloing that v may b best friends. This shud b another eye opener for our govt to to realise how to deal with china..

Forget the nsg membership v r not getting it atleast for some years.
Let me rimind v already have nsg waiver of 2008.

China in P5 of UNSC , kashmir , Nuclear device Test skipped on invite offer of kennedy .

yes we won POK but still dont have it , that time President Kennedy invited india to test nuclear device test and we would have been in P5 but now we are fighting for it . these are problems given by whom ?? extra friendly relationship or what ??

all above are linked with each other if you go in deep .

with all above 3 issues won we would have been one of super power of world by now .

NSG is just only for modern technology and bigger reach to raw material . even without it india can expand its project with self research . it was fight b/w mainly China vs USA , USA asked other nations too to support and china was opposing it loudly.
and now Obama will not be there next year so USA may not support india from outside too like Obama .

But something gone wrong when Swiss govt opposed it , as they were backing india till then , and this move is shocking more than china . decision of swiss govt was seems taken in no time or anything happened behind the curtains which changed the scenario .

btw leaving chinese items is not so easy , bcoz every final product have some parts made in china bcoz of cheaper cost .
so to fight with them india need to attack indirectly over its economy and import of raw material from china and political interference .