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Cycle is changing, finance/banking has peaked and will probably decline agriculture/mining/natural resources has bottomed out and will probably rise.

In ten years many investment banker types won’t have jobs and instead of driving BMW’s & Mercedes like they do today they will be driving Maruti’s and farmers instead of driving Maruti’s like they do today (well its already made a lot of gain so maybe they drive honda city’s today) will be driving Mercedes.

I already mentioned I’m totally bullish on agriculture/petroleum engineering/agro-biz/environmental engineering/mining and why as well as why I’m bearish on finance and why in many of my previous posts so won’t get into that.

today —→ http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-an…

Company is targeting 500% sales in just over next three years. I didn’t expect this to happen so soon though. Still in India farmers are not making as much profit as they should coz of govt policy. Lots of things to be worked out but in very short …..food prices have gone dramatically up, inventories are at lows in some cases historic lows, demand is going up higher and higher, water will soon be a precious resource etc etc

Its a no brainer.

In 1950’s farmers were wealthy most sought after branch at IIT was civil engineering, ISM Dhanbad was a reputed college, and bankers weren’t rich not many people even studied finance, well there’s a good chance of things going back to this kind of scenario.

Take the case of USA finance was booming it peaked with the 1929 crash and finance went into decline the farmers were the rich ones in 1930-1960 and finance took a backseat, then in 1970 with the great bull market in commodities and stocks and bonds finance came back into fashion and the farmers took a back seat.

I think yahoo or some site published an article about 5 most promising professions and 5 worst professions and agriculture was listed as one of the worst well they are totally wrong imho ….. I’m mentioning this in advance just in case anyone posts that article

I know this sounds totally ludicrous but for the dimers who keep posting about what they should do after college / job etc you should further research this.

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The elephant experts didn’t see

S. GURUMURTHY
September 05:

Normally a new government faults the previous dispensation of another party for leaving behind a bad economy. But when the UPA government took over in 2004, it had some good words for its predecessor, the NDA.

In his Budget speech in July 2004, Finance Minister P. Chidambaram noted that “the economic fundamentals appear strong” and “the balance of payments robust”. Yes, the current account surplus of $22 billion for the three years 2002-04 had broken the unbroken run of current account deficits for almost a quarter century — despite the average oil prices having doubled.

This coincided with the world taking serious notice of India’s rise. But how come that India, which was seen as a rising hope for the world when the UPA assumed office, now finds itself in a hopeless situation — with its rupee almost halving in value in the last 20 months and still losing? What led to this fall?

Like six blind men

The national discourse on the present crisis is more like the story of the six blind men and the elephant. Most experts catch and hold out one aspect of the phenomenon as the cause of the crisis.

Everyone understands that the rupee fall has been caused by the galloping current account deficit since 2004. Many experts are blinded by the inevitable oil and unwanted gold imports as the culprits for the huge current account hole.

Some say the hole is so big because inadequate Indian reforms have dried up the flow of foreign capital. Some others hold global slowdown as the cause for India’s current account woes. Others say that because of poor reforms the growth is slow and, therefore, exports haven’t picked up. In the anarchic debate, the real cause of the current account hole and the consequent rupee fall — the elephant — is totally missed out.

Almost everyone is blind to the fact that more than oil and gold, it is the unprecedented import of capital goods which has torpedoed the balance of payments and dented the current account with a huge deficit of $339 billion during the nine-year UPA rule.

The capital goods imports in this period aggregated $587 billion, almost a third of India’s nominal GDP — the elephant which the experts have missed.

Actually, oil imports after off-setting exports ($279 billion) were less, at $515 billion, and gold imports (net of exports of gems and jewellery) were $161 billion. It is the gargantuan capital goods import that has blown the current account to pieces. It also has damaged the Indian economy from within.

Capital goods import

Here is the pathetic story. During NDA rule, the average annual capital goods import was $10 billion. But in the very first year of UPA rule (2004-05) it jumped by one-and-a-half times, to $25.5 billion.

Thereafter it galloped year after year — to $38 billion in the second year, $47 billion (third), $70 billion (fourth), $72 billion (fifth), $66 billion (sixth), $79 billion (seventh) $99 billion (eighth), and $91.5 billion (ninth). In the first four years, the capital goods import totalled $180 billion. In the next five years, the total vaulted to $407 billion.

In theory, capital goods import signals economic boom, promising rise in industrial production, in GDP. But here? Even as capital goods import rose by 79 per cent in the five years, the growth in index of industrial production fell by 56 per cent (from 11.5 per cent earlier to 5 per cent in the latter five years). And directly hit by the imported capital goods tsunami, domestic capital goods manufacture nosedived by one-tenth in 2011-13.

Even if India had had enough dollars to pay for the capital goods import without running a current account deficit, the huge import of capital goods would have devastated the national manufacture. The story does not stop here. The current account deficit also exported the growth away.

It is fundamental economics that exports add to national wealth (GDP) and imports cut into it. The current account deficit year after year has cut the GDP by 0.8 per cent in 2007-08, by 1.5 per cent (2008-09) by 2.1 per cent (2009-10) by 1.4 per cent (2010-11) by 2.6 per cent (2011-12) and by 3.9 per cent (2012-13).

But for the current account deficit, the nominal GDP of India could have been 16.9 per cent (not 16.1 per cent) in 2007-8, 14.4 per cent (not 12.9 per cent) in 2008-9, 17.2 per cent (not 15.1 per cent) in 2009-10, 21.7 per cent (not 20.3 per cent) in 2010-11, 17.7 per cent (not 15.1 per cent) and 15.6 per cent (not 11.7 per cent) in 2012-13.

Perhaps India could have been ahead of China. More. The UPA’s nine years saw the aggregate import of manufactured goods jump to $50 billion – up 20 times.

The surge in import of capital goods and manufactured goods put Indian manufacturing in the ICU. And note. Gold imports dent the current account yes; but they do not kill local manufacture. But capital and manufactured goods imports have achieved both!

And shockingly it is the Government that incentivises the huge capital goods import with a red carpet of tax waivers costing lakhs of crores of rupees. The Government cut the customs and excise tariffs in 2008 as fiscal stimulus to the economy in view of the global meltdown. For mega power plants the tariff was made ‘Nil’. The stimulus caused additional revenue loss of Rs 2.6 lakh crore each year. The result was the capital goods import tsunami, which rose by almost 80 per cent since 2008.

Lost tax revenue

The total tax revenue lost by tax cuts in four years from 2008-09 to 2011-12 was Rs 22.6 lakh crore. The ratio of customs duty to imports halved from 15.6 per cent in 2004-5 to 7 per cent — even as the imports rose six times from Rs 3.6 lakh crore to Rs 23.5 lakh crore — reducing the effective import-weighted tariff to almost one-eighth of its 2004 levels.

As far back as in January 2005, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Finance Minister P. Chidambaram had sworn in public to reduce the unnecessary tax waivers as the tax rates were reasonable.

Yet not a single rupee of tax waiver was rolled back in the 2005 Budget or in 2006 or in 2007 or in 2008. On the contrary, tax waivers were doubled from Rs 2.6 lakh crore to Rs 5.2 lakh crore a year, and year after year, from 2008-09 as the red-carpet welcome for the capital goods tsunami.

And capital goods imports stimulated by tax cuts, which trebled the fiscal deficit, rose by 79 per cent to $407 billion. But for the tax cuts, with the global meltdown in 2008, there would have been no great propensity to invest. Clearly, the huge rise in capital goods import is the direct effect of the tax stimulus — a case of tax-cut induced, not demand-led, investment.

Had capital goods import not been tax-incentivised to rise (by a whopping 79 per cent) the current account deficit over the nine-year period of UPA rule ($339 billion) could have been less, perhaps by $182 billion — namely just $157 billion, had the imports been on the pre-stimulus levels. And consequently the forex reserves would have been more by $182 billion.

Don’t go that far. Imagine the capital goods import and therefore the current account had been less by just $100 billion. There would have been no crisis. Isn’t it stupid to invite the huge current account deficit via capital goods import by incurring huge fiscal deficits via tax cuts?

Real culprit ignored

The stupidity did not end there. The tax cuts were intended to be passed on by the corporates to consumers so that their buying power was not eroded and the economy did not get into recession.

But the corporates did not pass on the stimulus tax cuts to the consumer. This is evident from the rise in the ratio of corporate profits to GDP from 11 per cent in 2004-5 to 12.5 per cent after the stimulus. The current account deficit directly pulled down the rupee value. And the fiscal deficit incurred to invite the current account deficit indirectly knocked down the Indian rupee.

Yet the real culprit — the tax-cut induced capital goods import — is virtually unnoticed in the national discourse. Ignoring (suppressing?) the real cause, the Government is applying the usual ointment of soliciting external commercial borrowing and stock market investments as cure for the cancerous growth in current account deficits.

On top of it, the UPA is proposing an additional Rs 1.50 lakh crore spend on the Food Security Bill to buy votes. A government interested in the nation and the rupee would have deferred the Bill to better times. Why then will the rupee not fall, and continue to fall?

Saying that the intrinsic value of the rupee is three times its market value, The Economist magazine ([January 2013) lists the rupee as the most undervalued currency in the world.

Yet it is getting valued less and less. It does not need a seer to say that reckless management of the external sector is the real reason for the rupee fall. Will the establishment thinkers realise the truth — which is the precondition for remedy?

(The author is a commentator on political and economic affairs, and a corporate advisor.)

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Nice article with good detailed explanation https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif ….. the experts always are able to analyze things and find out “why it” happened, but for them to find out “what will” happen seems harder
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Well here’s some statistics about the US recovery/economy with the sources ……. this deals with retirement. Just because the DJIA is near its highs does this mean things are getting better? Personally I don’t believe that’s the case, times shave changed, central banks have become very powerful and can literally prop up a market index … but not indefinitely https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

2 of 3 rely on social security for 50% of their income
1 of 3 rely on social security for 90% of their income
1 of 4 rely on social security for 100% of their income
Source: 2010 Census Social Security Administration
401K mathematically CAN NOT produce enough to provide for retirement
or retirement
1/3 of all Americans have no retirement saved at all
30% of American workers have less than $1000 in savings and investments (2012 EBRI Survey)
56% of workers have not calculated how much they need for retirement
The U.S. dollar has lost over 98% of its value since 1913
In 2008 U.S. retirement accounts shrunk by $2 Trillion
40% of baby boomers will now have to work until they DIE (2010 AARP Survey)
Over the course of a lifetime, an ordinary American can pay as much as
$109,407 in retirement fees to their mutual fund providers
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/busines...

Consider these five statistics:
40% of baby boomers now plan to work until they die. (AARP)
36% of Americans say they don’t contribute anything at all to their savings. [CNBC]
87% of adults say they are not confident about having money for a comfortable retirement. (Lifehappens.org)
Expected retirement age is up to 67 from age 63. (Zero Hedge)

Statistically speaking there is a 10% chance that you are facing foreclosure
There is a 24.8% chance that you are unemployed
There is a 33% chance that your behind on bills in general
There is a 99% chance that you are not rich
There is a 100% chance that the value of the dollars in your bank account and investments are declining by the second
Sources:

Retirement Confidence Survey — 2013 Results | EBRI

AARP – 2013 Retirement Confidence Survey: A Secondary …

Aegon Retirement Readiness Survey 2013 – Aegon Group

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possible future trend …. online education …. difficult for us dimers to profit from as we cant offer our own courses, but the days of ivy league $100000 degrees are coming to an end, future education will be online, those institutions who don’t adapt will probably shut down because such expensive education is just not sustainable in the future. Whenever something goes too high it becomes unsustainable and usually collapses anyway. Currently university education inflation is just insane or another word for that is “unsustainable”

In USA student loans are even higher than credit card debt !! Plus student loan can not be discharged in bankruptcy, neither chp 8 nor chp 11, if you die the debt gets transferred to your guarantors/relatives.

India is also not very far behind with college tutition going up of course we will take some time to reach the level of expenses education in USA is currently at.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/education/mas…

As far as subjects to study go agriculture, mining, natural resources, biotech, medicine seem to have very good prospects. In agriculture my research indicates Agricultural engineering is the most lucrative followed by Agricultural economics. In natural resources there’s oil & gas which is just booming. Many subdivisons in that but if any young dimer has done engineering then instead of MBA from 2nd rate college I will recommend subsea engineering. Excellent future prospects and big demand. Infact in USA I think its just been introduced some time ago only Houston University recently started this course. So its relatively new and you’d be getting in much before the crowd enters.

With increasing world population the demand for energy is only going to go higher.

http://www.offshore-technology.com/news/newssub…

Also Petroleum engineering, water resources, pollution & environmental control are good alternatives for the future economy

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http://www.firstpost.com/economy/inflation-conu…

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Changing the Inflation data reporting from weekly to monthly basis just because media is going after the govt. was other such incident…..lot have been talked about the governance deficit…….
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d day has come. fed announces tapering, mayhem on d street ahead.

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marketdimer wrote:

d day has come. fed announces tapering, mayhem on d street ahead.


ek din toh hona hi tha…good time to enter gold, silver , forex

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marketdimer wrote:

d day has come. fed announces tapering, mayhem on d street ahead.


it is the same old symbolic taper-farce for some chop and smart money roll over, not even 15 billion , all taper move retraced in euro , gold and cable hitting the ceiling once again , we will see what yellen does , ben now better count the money he made

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