about tds on dividends

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kukdookoo
from what date was notification given to start deducting tds on dividends, 10% if amount above 5k if kyc is given and 20% for non kyc? for non kyc is the limit 5k or any amount? suppose for a financial year one mutual fund deducted tds for a non kyc account but later in same financial year kyc documents were submitted then is it possible to take credit of the tds deducted?

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  1. As soon as the dividend crosses 5000, TDS is deducted at 10% if PAN is available or at 20% if PAN is not available.
  2. Non-PAN submitted users also get the benefit of no deduction of TDS up to 5000.
  3. The credit of TDS is only given when you submit the return. The person deducting TDS has to submit that amount to the government, and it is not up to him/her to give you credit afterwards.

but as its not possible to trade/invest in mfs without adhaar linked pan anyway dont know why u even asked this

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The tax deduction is at 10% on the dividends , only if total dividend in a financial year exceeds INR 5,000. Sec 194K of IT Act is applicable from 1st April 2020 i.e. FY 2020-21 onwards. TDS is at 20% in case the payee doesn’t furnish their PAN.


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Jarvis.-. wrote:
  1. As soon as the dividend crosses 5000, TDS is deducted at 10% if PAN is available or at 20% if PAN is not available.
  2. Non-PAN submitted users also get the benefit of no deduction of TDS up to 5000.
  3. The credit of TDS is only given when you submit the return. The person deducting TDS has to submit that amount to the government, and it is not up to him/her to give you credit afterwards.

but as its not possible to trade/invest in mfs without adhaar linked pan anyway dont know why u even asked this

actually this fund belongs to a senior citizen started 18 years ago. they have deducted 20% tds on dividend of 2000. and sent letter to do kyc. now after completing kyc the tds did not show in 26as.
when was this notification passed of 10% and 20% tds?
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The tax deduction is at 10% on the dividends , only if total dividend in a financial year exceeds INR 5,000. Sec 194K of IT Act is applicable from 1st April 2020 i.e. FY 2020-21 onwards. TDS is at 20% in case the payee doesn’t furnish their PAN.


https://www.desidime.com/discussions/about-tds-...

TDS is at 20% in case the payee doesn’t furnish their PAN.

irrespective of dividend amount in a year?
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Jarvis.-. wrote:
  1. As soon as the dividend crosses 5000, TDS is deducted at 10% if PAN is available or at 20% if PAN is not available.
  2. Non-PAN submitted users also get the benefit of no deduction of TDS up to 5000.
  3. The credit of TDS is only given when you submit the return. The person deducting TDS has to submit that amount to the government, and it is not up to him/her to give you credit afterwards.

but as its not possible to trade/invest in mfs without adhaar linked pan anyway dont know why u even asked this

Actually I think @kukdookoo is asking this because he or his known may have any old mutual fund before 2011 I think. PAN was not mandatory for mutual fund investments then. So 20% TDS deducted from MF dividends for not having PAN. Hope this clears everything.


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kukdookoo wrote:
actually this fund belongs to a senior citizen started 18 years ago. they have deducted 20% tds on dividend of 2000. and sent letter to do kyc. now after completing kyc the tds did not show in 26as.
when was this notification passed of 10% and 20% tds?

Bro wait. It will show when you file itr next year. 

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kukdookoo wrote:
actually this fund belongs to a senior citizen started 18 years ago. they have deducted 20% tds on dividend of 2000. and sent letter to do kyc. now after completing kyc the tds did not show in 26as.
when was this notification passed of 10% and 20% tds?
company didn't have pan so filed under 'pan not available' in their tds return, thats why its not showing in 26as, now i think u can do 2 things -
1. request the company/customer care to do something so u get credit (revising their return) 
2. file itr on the basis of report of mf deduction and fight for it if flagged by system
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The company won't update the TDS deducted amount under your PAN if update the PAN card details later. 

Better to skip this.

  • Also, I am not sure, If we can file the return for tds refund if it is not reflected in AIS. Can someone confirm this?
    • If it is possible, then you can try this method.
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kukdookoo wrote:
But yaar they deducted 20% tds for dividend amount of 2k. Is there any notification which clarifies this? + @Jarvis.-.  @flash007

Which company? and have you checked the total dividend amount for the financial year?

the rule is:

  • if the pan is present:
    • dividend amount > 5k => 10% tax
    • dividend amount < 5k => no tax
  • if pan is not present => 20% tax, i.e. irrespective of the dividend amount


https://taxguru.in/income-tax/section-194-tds-p...

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If PAN is not present, then 20% TDS, Any Amount.

It became effective from the 1st of April 2020 as per the amendment in the Income Tax Act, 1961 by the Finance Act, 2020.

and we can't get a refund of this amount. (20% TDS). Better, to get the PAN updated ASAP wherever it's missing. (and move all the MFs to the Demat account if possible.)

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flash007 wrote:

Which company? and have you checked the total dividend amount for the financial year?

the rule is:

  • if the pan is present:
    • dividend amount > 5k => 10% tax
    • dividend amount < 5k => no tax
  • if pan is not present => 20% tax, i.e. irrespective of the dividend amount


https://taxguru.in/income-tax/section-194-tds-p...

uti. Bro it is clearly mentioned in statement.their cs is pathetic,asking accountholder to go to office from where the fund was started.how can they deduct 20% tds, if no kyc is present but dividend amount is 2k? 
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Rajkotian wrote:

If PAN is not present, then 20% TDS, Any Amount.

It became effective from the 1st of April 2020 as per the amendment in the Income Tax Act, 1961 by the Finance Act, 2020.

and we can't get a refund of this amount. (20% TDS). Better, to get the PAN updated ASAP wherever it's missing. (and move all the MFs to the Demat account if possible.)

Bro any link of notification which says 20% tds irrespective of amount if no kyc is there? + @flash007
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kukdookoo wrote:
Bro any link of notification which says 20% tds irrespective of amount if no kyc is there? + @flash007

Leave the past, nothing much can be done about that. 

You can add pancard in MF online as well, if the pancard name matches with the mutual fund holder's name.

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kukdookoo wrote:
Bro any link of notification which says 20% tds irrespective of amount if no kyc is there? + @flash007

Yes 20% TDS if no PAN is presented , irrespective of dividend amount. 

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Jarvis.-. wrote:
  1. As soon as the dividend crosses 5000, TDS is deducted at 10% if PAN is available or at 20% if PAN is not available.
  2. Non-PAN submitted users also get the benefit of no deduction of TDS up to 5000.
  3. The credit of TDS is only given when you submit the return. The person deducting TDS has to submit that amount to the government, and it is not up to him/her to give you credit afterwards.

but as its not possible to trade/invest in mfs without adhaar linked pan anyway dont know why u even asked this


the TDS can later be claimed during ITR filing if total income falls below the minimum tax slab, right?

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mieruko wrote:

the TDS can later be claimed during ITR filing if total income falls below the minimum tax slab, right?

As long as tax payable is less than tds u can get refund
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Jarvis.-. wrote:
As long as tax payable is less than tds u can get refund

They are asking about the 20% TDS deducted for not submitting the PAN. I don't think you can get the credit for the same unless the deductor revises their TDS return.

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mieruko wrote:

the TDS can later be claimed during ITR filing if total income falls below the minimum tax slab, right?

can u explain how?

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Jarvis.-. wrote:
If tax payable is 1k and tds is 2k u'll get 1k refund
but paji this 20% is never deposited under 26as so no chance of its refund
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mieruko wrote:

the TDS can later be claimed during ITR filing if total income falls below the minimum tax slab, right?

if TDS is without PAN, it cannot be claimed. if TDS is against PAN, it can be claimed. PAN needs to be declared before credit of amount on which TDS is made. 

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