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Please mention with reason why or why not you’re getting vaccinated ? wink

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I won’t for myself given my age (33) but the fear they all are putting in my mind I’m now considering to have mum inoculated who is 64 soon. I’m against it because of the simple reason that a vaccine can’t be prepared this fast. It takes innumerable trials and many years for one. But the doctors say it’s better to have something than nothing and preferable over suffering from the virus, alongside maintaining the opinion (more like disclaimer) that we don’t know the long term effect of the vaccine.

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ithehappy wrote:

I won’t for myself given my age (33) but the fear they all are putting in my mind I’m now considering to have mum inoculated who is 64 soon. I’m against it because of the simple reason that a vaccine can’t be prepared this fast. It takes innumerable trials and many years for one. But the doctors say it’s better to have something than nothing and preferable over suffering from the virus, alongside maintaining the opinion (more like disclaimer) that we don’t know the long term effect of the vaccine.

I agree. we don’t even know for sure if it is effective

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In my area, there is so much chaos and fight for vaccine that people are not getting vaccine that particular day but getting infected with Covid from the vaccine centres and showing symptoms 3-4 days later . So staying home is the safest RN for me.

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Topsey wrote:

In my area, there is so much chaos and fight for vaccine that people are not getting vaccine that particular day but getting infected with Covid from the vaccine centres and showing symptoms 3-4 days later . So staying home is the safest RN for me.

Absolutely. I mean if one can isolate themselves and not go out at all then it’s absolutely pointless to go for the vaccine. Those who are financially able are letting their maids and chauffeurs do everything while maintaining themselves within their premises 24×7. That’s more important than the vaccine.

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tvirus wrote:

I agree. we don’t even know for sure if it is effective

It is already proven effective, even in India the age group now getting admitted to hospital is younger compared to last year. Sure there is no guarantee that vaccine will remain effective against future new strains but as of now it is clearly established that receiving vaccine means reduces chances of hospitalization even if infected after getting the vaccine.
@ithehappy

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I definitely want to get vaccinated.
But I know I might get vaccine or not but will get covid for sure if I go out to get it.
So will try to speculate the situation for few days or week then only will make plan to get it.
My parents also needs to get their second shot but now I am concerned about that too

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Ash-D wrote:

I definitely want to get vaccinated.
But I know I might get vaccine or not but will get covid for sure if I go out to get it.
So will try to speculate the situation for few days or week then only will make plan to get it.
My parents also needs to get their second shot but now I am concerned about that too

If they are taking 2 nd dose they already have some immunity from 1st dose. So there risk will be less even if they get covid.

But you need to be careful as yours is first dose.

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guest_999 wrote:

It is already proven effective, even in India the age group now getting admitted to hospital is younger compared to last year. Sure there is no guarantee that vaccine will remain effective against future new strains but as of now it is clearly established that receiving vaccine means reduces chances of hospitalization even if infected after getting the vaccine.
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Alright. Then I’m having mum vaccinated from the nearest pvt. hospital the coming week. Provided they are still giving it.

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Will wait for pfizer, moderna and J&J vaccines to be available in india.

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ithehappy wrote:

Alright. Then I’m having mum vaccinated from the nearest pvt. hospital the coming week. Provided they are still giving it.

Does the hospital determine which vaccine to give (according to age or other criteria or just random) or they let patient choose?

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ithehappy wrote:

Alright. Then I’m having mum vaccinated from the nearest pvt. hospital the coming week. Provided they are still giving it.

Do consider yourself as well to get vaccinated.

Like @guest_999 mentioned, it is clear that this vaccine is helping in keeping things in control. Recently I heard a few of my relatives who got vaccine about a month back are now getting infected, and the infection is found to be border line. I can’t really vouch for vaccine, but definitely it helped gaining some immunity against a few strains.

At first I had similar doubts regarding the efficacy, but then the data points are proving otherwise. Eventually I had to make peace with old saying that something is better than nothing

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hitman wrote:

Will wait for pfizer, moderna and J&J vaccines to be available in india.

Take Covishield or covaxin now as there is no point in waiting in this fast spreading pandemic.

You can take those shots too after they launched…

There is no harm in taking 2 vaccines in 6 months…

But go far some immunity now by taking any available vaccine.

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Bk100 wrote:

If they are taking 2 nd dose they already have some immunity from 1st dose. So there risk will be less even if they get covid.

But you need to be careful as yours is first dose.

Yeah bro hope so they have bulit some immunity.
Still won’t be taking any risk cause as per current situation it’s not worth it.
I am really not going to take in early days as there will be huge rush for sure which will definitely leave us exposed.

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hsmhsm wrote:

Does the hospital determine which vaccine to give (according to age or other criteria or just random) or they let patient choose?

Well over here the hospitals are deciding themselves. For instance the pvt. one I was speaking of is giving covishield while the govt. one was giving the covaxin.

@andromeda I was doubtful because my mum has a high BP condition. She has had two episodes of tachycardia in past 2-3 years. I don’t let her go out of house more than once a week, that too only to local bazaar. She also has O+ group which is said to be somewhat more resistant compared to others. All these reasons combined led me to my decision.

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hsmhsm wrote:

Does the hospital determine which vaccine to give (according to age or other criteria or just random) or they let patient choose?

Currently you have to take what they have or giving. There’s lot of scarcity of vaccine so choice is very unusual right now.

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ithehappy wrote:

Absolutely. I mean if one can isolate themselves and not go out at all then it’s absolutely pointless to go for the vaccine. Those who are financially able are letting their maids and chauffeurs do everything while maintaining themselves within their premises 24×7. That’s more important than the vaccine.

u can see real world cases where pandemic has been controlled largely by vaccination eg israel and us

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ithehappy wrote:

Well over here the hospitals are deciding themselves. For instance the pvt. one I was speaking of is giving covishield while the govt. one was giving the covaxin.

@andromeda I was doubtful because my mum has a high BP condition. She has had two episodes of tachycardia in past 2-3 years. I don’t let her go out of house more than once a week, that too only to local bazaar. She also has O+ group which is said to be somewhat more resistant compared to others. All these reasons combined led me to my decision.

I get your concern. Logically speaking you shouldn’t let her go to even local market. That apart, the new variants are quite scary, and in particular the ones that are said to be originated from your region (I guess it is West Bengal) are more infectious. So please be extra careful.

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The whole US has got vaccinated with the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine and everyone is doing well with that. Even schools, theatres, malls have opened fully there with no cases reported. The travel ban is also not there, so not sure if the Indian variant has not reached there yet through some asymptomatic traveller or virus has already reached there but nothing has happened since everyone is vaccinated. I want to get vaccinated with the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine now more than the Indian ones.

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Skipping for now.. considering the mad rush and other factors
But i would’ve considered getting vaccinated myself if there are elders at home (60+) & those with Co-morbidities (Instead of getting them vaccinated)

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Very daunting decision..

Staying inside house and not allowing anyone to step in..

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ithehappy wrote:

Well over here the hospitals are deciding themselves. For instance the pvt. one I was speaking of is giving covishield while the govt. one was giving the covaxin.

@andromeda I was doubtful because my mum has a high BP condition. She has had two episodes of tachycardia in past 2-3 years. I don’t let her go out of house more than once a week, that too only to local bazaar. She also has O+ group which is said to be somewhat more resistant compared to others. All these reasons combined led me to my decision.

Make sure to consult a doctor(preferably family doctor aware with mother’s medical history) before getting the vaccine. If doctor say some risk then better let mother stay at home & you/everyone else get vaccinated. Also make sure to not get vaccine in a crowded centre as far as possible.

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hitman wrote:

Will wait for pfizer, moderna and J&J vaccines to be available in india.

Not much point waiting for J&J vaccine as it is same viral vector type as astraZenca/covishield. Pfizer/Moderna are worth waiting as they are mRNA type vaccine which is the latest tech & so far also the best when purely speaking of numbers in reports(though practically speaking there isn’t much difference between them & other vaccines).

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No
Because it is voluntary, they are in clinical trials till 2023 and they have got only emergency approval not fully approved
There is a risk of iatrogenic reaction which includes death, they also contain MRC-5
There is no study on long term side effects of such substances, specially MRNA ones, they change the way the body functions
And these things are clearly mentioned in the leaflet provided with the vial
jisko lena hai best of luck

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bdatta1981 wrote:

The whole US has got vaccinated with the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine and everyone is doing well with that. Even schools, theatres, malls have opened fully there with no cases reported. The travel ban is also not there, so not sure if the Indian variant has not reached there yet through some asymptomatic traveller or virus has already reached there but nothing has happened since everyone is vaccinated. I want to get vaccinated with the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine now more than the Indian ones.

United States nearly 40% of the population has now gotten at least one dose of a vaccine not whole, and most of the people are skipping second shots

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guest_999 wrote:

Not much point waiting for J&J vaccine as it is same viral vector type as astraZenca/covishield. Pfizer/Moderna are worth waiting as they are mRNA type vaccine which is the latest tech & so far also the best when purely speaking of numbers in reports(though practically speaking there isn’t much difference between them & other vaccines).

mRNA is an experimental technology that changes the way the body functions, are you sure you want to do that with no long-term side effects study?

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Personally NOPE

First & foremost I do not have much opinion on these first generation vaccines. Any vaccine currently being used is under emergency use authorisation (EUA). I am not saying they are good or maybe bad; it’s just that no one knows the long term effects of the vaccine and the EUA is just the manufacturer & Govt., yelling at our faces that we are not responsible or liable to what may or may not happen when you take this vaccine!

Current vaccines do not stop viruses from entering your body nor can kill them directly. In simple terms what it does is teach our immune system how to identify and fight the SARS virus.. It’s like saying a fight is coming, be ready & when you do actually get infected, it becomes easy to thwart the virus and the person can get away with none to mild symptoms. Technically it’s the immune system that’s core to the whole process & I kinda believe I have a strong immunity(well I could also be wrong & literally get f**ked up when a virus hits me!!). Anyways last time I got officially sick was in 2015 and since then other than having a bit of pre-fever symptoms a couple of times (like sour tongue or chills but never really transitioned into fever), I’d say i did not get sick nor take a tablet in the last 6 years or so. Guess my immunity should fight it out on its own without the help of a vaccine.

Once again I do not hold the above reason viable for aged folk or ppl with any underlying diseases or anyone with substantially low immunity. In these scenarios, its really advisable to take the vaccine and be ready rather than taking the hard route of fighting naturally.

Plus the virus is now mutating in multitude of variants and current vaccines do not hold a barrier to all of them. Atleast there’s a positive note from Covaxin side, which is said to officially neutralise double mutant 617 indian variant. No one knows what Covishield is capable of against these variants while thats the dominant vaccine that’s being administered across the country.

Now coming to the lifespan of these vaccines, Pfizer promised 6 months or more at the moment. not sure about other vaccines. so technically you should be taking a booster shot every year once or twice. that’s one scenario, in the other scenario even if the lifespan of a vaccine is lets say years, you would still end up taking a different version of the vaccine since they need to keep updating the formula to take into account all the mutations.  Oops.

And then there’s the headache of body developing immunity to the virus vectors itself (Covishield, J&J) ; Atleast here mRNA (Pfizer & Moderna) is kinda in the forefront since its kind of like sending a software code (genome) asking the system (cells) to produce spike protein themselves so the body won’t actually develop a immunity against this type of messaging relay vaccine. Those who are leaning to wait for Pfizer/Moderna should also know that its the MOST MOST experimental vaccine out there. they literally have got the vaccine ready the next day of decoding SARS genome since all they need to do is modify, embed & transmit the code & tell our body what it should be doing!!! Now only time will tell what bugs will crop up due to this “hacking the software to life” vaccine (that’s a Moderna quote by the way)

A more robust & potent next generation vaccines are still in development and you can have a glance here (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/...)

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ithehappy wrote:

I won’t for myself given my age (33) but the fear they all are putting in my mind I’m now considering to have mum inoculated who is 64 soon. I’m against it because of the simple reason that a vaccine can’t be prepared this fast. It takes innumerable trials and many years for one. But the doctors say it’s better to have something than nothing and preferable over suffering from the virus, alongside maintaining the opinion (more like disclaimer) that we don’t know the long term effect of the vaccine.

It is not worth the risk don’t fall for propaganda
everyone should read this white paper if time permits
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K8tonVjMYmMBm4...

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