The International Day of Democracy is celebrated around the world on 15 September each year. It was established through a resolution passed by the United Nation's General Assembly in 2007, encouraging governments around the world to strengthen and consolidate democracy.
Democracy, from the two Greek words - ‘demos’ that means a citizen of a city-state and ‘kratos’ that means 'power' or 'rule' form of government, is a core value of theUnited Nationswhere respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms and the principle of holding periodic and genuine elections by universal suffrage are some of the essential elements of democracy. It refers to a system where the citizens of a country have the state power to elect their leaders and exercise their right to participate in decision-making processes that affect their lives so, to promote and uphold these principles of democracy worldwide, the United Nations General Assembly established International Day of Democracy in 2007.
Is Democracy a deeply flawed concept or atleast flawed in its implementation? I'm not talking just about India but all over the world from the very beginning of this concept.
Obviously democracy is far better than autocracy or monarchy but that doesn't automatically make it flawless.
Total_Fun wrote: Then tagging them would have enough. But instead @bikidas2060 stated even after I explained what this thread is about & how Admins have deleted my past post too unfairly.
Exhibit A: "Me toh ek ek words me thread political bana sakta hun. Isme badi baat nai hai. Toh jaab Threads like G20 Summit in India get deleted with the reasoning that spamming and political threads are not allowed tab ye threads bhi allow ni honi chahiye."
Exhibit B: "Rule is rule. Whatever is applicable to me and others should be applicable to you as well. No exception."
Now you can decide. Maybe I'm biased by my past experiences. I've seen this type of unreasonable stubborn behaviour from lawyers in courtrooms and Os ( in CTO CMO CEO etc) and their obedient Associates in boardrooms
Oh, you said it here.
Ok.
bikidas2060 bhai Any and every topic can be turned into a political debate and discussion. Try me. Give me any topic and I'll turn it into a politically controversial topic in 15 sentences or less.https://www.desidime.com/discussions/happy-inte...
If one has the abilities to do it with two words then one should not feel bad about it.
Demanding fair treatment is neither stubbornness nor being unreasonable.
You are allowed to create a thread , that too controversial, and This post exist which means democracy exists and it is awesome.
Jara north koreans and chinese se pucho democracy kitni jaruri or achi hai
🤔 Now that I thought about it.... in a Democracy we get right to free speech and right to dissent ( right to differ in opinion with fellow citizens and government ) so your point seems valid
...... But in a autocracy or monarchy or anything other than democratically elected government this topic ( which is discussing about the flaws and faults in the basic concept and implementation of democracy) would never have been banned or restricted. Instead it would most probably be promoted, continuously cited. It might be published in their news. I might receive great rewards and honourary titles.
Which invalidates your point.
BTW if I get honourary title(s) or other rewards from our government or any other gov I'd let you know for sure.
Democracy, while often regarded as a fundamental system for governance, is not without its flaws, both in concept and implementation. These are some key points to consider:
Flawed Concept: Critics argue that the concept of democracy can be flawed as it assumes that the majority's decisions are always the best decisions. This might not account for the protection of minority rights or the possibility of majority tyranny.
Flaws in Implementation: In practice, democracies can face various challenges, including corruption, electoral fraud, and political polarization. These issues can hinder the fair representation of citizens' interests.
Cultural and Contextual Differences: Democracy's effectiveness can vary depending on cultural and contextual factors. What works in one country may not work in another due to historical, social, and economic disparities.
Democracy Under Siege: Reports such as "Freedom in the World 2021: Democracy under Siege" highlight the global challenges democracy faces, including erosion of democratic norms and practices in some regions.
Constant Evolution: Democracy is not static; it evolves over time. Recognizing its flaws, societies continue to work on improving democratic institutions and processes.
In essence, democracy is a work in progress. While it has flaws, it also offers a platform for addressing and rectifying these flaws through open debate, reform, and citizen engagement. On this International Day of Democracy, it's essential to reflect on these challenges and strive for more inclusive and effective democratic systems.
You are allowed to create a thread , that too controversial, and This post exist which means democracy exists and it is awesome.
Jara north koreans and chinese se pucho democracy kitni jaruri or achi hai
I think you miss understood this topic. I'm not talking about democracy in India. Not at all. I'm talking about all and every democracy in the word, including US including India, including Pakistan.... including past. Read the last few lines in the description.
Total_Fun wrote: I think you miss understood this topic. I'm not talking about democracy in India. Not at all. I'm talking about all and every democracy in the word, including US including India, including Pakistan.... including past. Read the last few lines in the description.
The very concept of Democracy
I think u miss interpreted my comment, i referred internationally only hence mention 2 countries name from world map
kartikxxx wrote: I think u miss interpreted my comment, i referred internationally only hence mention 2 countries name from world map
Okay. Let's just agree we both misunderstood each other's tone and leave it at that.
Democracy is THE best option we have, but that doesn't mean it is flawless. The purpose of this topic is multilayered. One of them is to understand the perspective of the "Demos" ( Public). So do participate in the poll.
Total_Fun wrote: Okay. Let's just agree we both misunderstood each other's tone and leave it at that.
Democracy is THE best option we have, but that doesn't mean it is flawless. The purpose of this topic is multilayered. One of them is to understand the perspective of the "Demos" ( Public). So do participate in the poll.
The concept of democracy was created at a time when world population was a fraction of the total population that we have in our country currently.
While not a flawed idea, it's impossible to apply true democracy in huge countries like India, USA.
I am not a researcher, but a country should only be that big that the leader knows everyone.
Thats way too idealist given that we have 8 billion humans living.
So everyone on the earth lives in pseudo democracy (obviously except for countries where even that doesn't exist)
I request admins to please keep this thread alive.
I always contemplated about how come democracy caters to needs of all citizens when only a portion of population gets to be in a determining factor,like out of 100 only 60-70 percentage population votes in which half may go for one party who likes "killing" while the quater goes for "not to kill" and remaining for "who the fook cares".
It is democracy for the winner and tyranny for the remaining 🤓
I request admins to please keep this thread alive.
I always contemplated about how come democracy caters to needs of all citizens when only a portion of population gets to be in a determining factor,like out of 100 only 60-70 percentage population votes in which half may go for one party who likes "killing" while the quater goes for "not to kill" and remaining for "who the fook cares".
It is democracy for the winner and tyranny for the remaining 🤓
Now my fingers are hurting 😭
Everybody lies and everyone can kill. It doesn't always require guns to kill... Sometimes just an artificially created famine is more effective genocide tool than a nuclear bomb. And those who gave the orders are hailed as heros. Example: The Great Bengal famine of 1943 created by British. Winston Churchill was the mastermind.
I believe it's not democracy when we discuss the government, and their ardent supporters label us as anti-national.
Also I believe religious extremism is enemy to democracy I am pretty sure that religion does more good than harm, but we all need to recognize that religion does do harm and so should be kept completely separate from government.
Northern Ireland: current and past Protestant-Catholic strife. Middle-east, et al: Muslim sect inter-strife. Africa: Muslim sect, tribal religion strife. USA: Religious Right, US Catholic Bishops Conference alignment with GOP and extremists. Canada: Catholic-Protestant stress. South America: Religious inspired corruption. Asia: Muslim terrorist. India: Authoritarian suppression of religion.
One would have to be a complete idiot to think that it is fine to allow a particular religion take some level of power within a government. After all, what if it's not your religion?
I believe it's not democracy when we discuss the government, and their ardent supporters label us as anti-national.
Also I believe religious extremism is enemy to democracy I am pretty sure that religion does more good than harm, but we all need to recognize that religion does do harm and so should be kept completely separate from government.
Northern Ireland: current and past Protestant-Catholic strife. Middle-east, et al: Muslim sect inter-strife. Africa: Muslim sect, tribal religion strife. USA: Religious Right, US Catholic Bishops Conference alignment with GOP and extremists. Canada: Catholic-Protestant stress. South America: Religious inspired corruption. Asia: Muslim terrorist. India: Authoritarian suppression of religion.
One would have to be a complete idiot to think that it is fine to allow a particular religion take some level of power within a government. After all, what if it's not your religion?
🎥 V for Vendetta
"I believe it's not democracy when we discuss the government, and their ardent supporters label us as anti-national."
Some might argue that's one of the great privileges a democracy gives you. Freedom of speech. If you have the right to criticize their favourite sports team or favourite political party they have the right to criticize you. Neither has to have a fact based or unbiased opinion. As long as it doesn't cross certain boundries like death threats it's protected under Freedom of Speech.
Total_Fun wrote: @ithehappy@P_A_N_K_A_J@Garyhost I think this topic is going to towards a different direction. I don't want this to become some political debate.
I'm trying to discuss the Core concept it's history and it's implementation around the world, not just India. Not just current time. His topic focuses on discussing about a political situation. Erosion of democratic values you might say.
I wanted to know options of public ( Dimers) about democracy,
I'm trying to imagine a Venn diagram to explain the relationship between this and that topic. 🤔
Total_Fun wrote: What do your definition of democracy?
I am not wise enough to have my own definition, so I'll rather follow what those Greeks meant by it i.e. people's involvement in the decision making matters of the country. Do we have that? Had we ever had that?
Are you certain there won't be another decision imposed on you by tomorrow morning? Like a lovely 8pm announcement perhaps? Lol.
I'm sorry to say, if you speak of something like democracy, it will carry political connotation one way or the other.
You are allowed to create a thread , that too controversial, and This post exist which means democracy exists and it is awesome.
Jara north koreans and chinese se pucho democracy kitni jaruri or achi hai
🤔 Now that I thought about it.... in a Democracy we get right to free speech and right to dissent ( right to differ in opinion with fellow citizens and government ) so your point seems valid
...... But in a autocracy or monarchy or anything other than democratically elected government this topic ( which is discussing about the flaws and faults in the basic concept and implementation of democracy) would never have been banned or restricted. Instead it would most probably be promoted, continuously cited. It might be published in their news. I might receive great rewards and honourary titles.
Which invalidates your point.
BTW if I get honourary title(s) or other rewards from our government or any other gov I'd let you know for sure.
Total_Fun wrote: @ithehappy@P_A_N_K_A_J@Garyhost I think this topic is going to towards a different direction. I don't want this to become some political debate.
Agar topic hi political ho toh political debate hi hoga naa. Political and social discussions are not allowed.
🤣 So would you please explain what's problem with this topic.
If just the discussion on the concept of democracy feel political and problematic to you somehow then maybe you'd be the first to start a petition for stopping the celebration of Republic ( when India/Bharat became a democracy officially) day in apolitical institutions like schools.
BTW 🤔 if social discussion are banned then how are the topics on Chandra Yaan 3 launch ... Happy Janmashtami... etc are allowed? aren't they social events?
............. You're also part of the Demos ( public) so please do participants in the poll and share your opinion on the topic if you can.
...... @bikidas2060 bhai Any and every topic can be turned into a political debate and discussion. Try me. Give me any topic and I'll turn it into a politically controversial topic in 15 sentences or less.
Total_Fun wrote: 🤣 So would you please explain what's problem with this topic.
If just the discussion on the concept of democracy feel political and problematic to you somehow then maybe you'd be the first to start a petition for stopping the celebration of Republic ( when India/Bharat became a democracy officially) day in apolitical institutions like schools.
BTW 🤔 if social discussion are banned then how are the topics on Chandra Yaan 3 launch ... Happy Janmashtami... etc are allowed aren't they social events?
............. You're also part of the Demos ( public) so please do participants in the poll and share your opinion on the topic if you can.
...... @bikidas2060 bhai Any and every topic can be turned into a political debate and discussion. Try me. Give me any topic and I'll turn it into a politically controversial topic in 15 sentences or less.
Me toh ek ek words me thread political bana sakta hun. Isme badi baat nai hai.
Toh jaab Threads like G20 Summit in India get deleted with the reasoning that spamming and political threads are not allowed tab ye threads bhi allow ni honi chahiye.
Baaki admins hi bata sakte hain. Agar ye thread me koi apatti nai toh G20 waali thread pe bhi koi apatti nai.
Btw, celebrations are allowed. Even desidime anniversary is a social event. No?
Me toh ek ek words me thread political bana sakta hun. Isme badi baat nai hai.
Toh jaab Threads like G20 Summit in India get deleted with the reasoning that spamming and political threads are not allowed tab ye threads bhi allow ni honi chahiye.
Baaki admins hi bata sakte hain. Agar ye thread me koi apatti nai toh G20 waali thread pe bhi koi apatti nai.
Btw, celebrations are allowed. Even desidime anniversary is a social event. No?
Your 1st. Point I'm curious what's that magic word 🤔.
Ok, Bol do wo word, banado isko political.
Your 2nd. Point: I don't know what happened exactly with G20 summit topic. But I understand your point that spamming should not be acceptable. But unless DD Admins have an effective automated tool to detect and delete spams those guys have to constantly spend waste handling such mess. So they as the last resort they just lock the topic or delete it.
BTW my topic "Hello World.... hello friend" was also deleted because it went over their heads. Reason was given "spamming" even though later ros_007 admitted it was due to lack of information. Link: https://ddime.i...iQ
So I guess We can agree Admins can be little trigger happy sometimes.
FYI spamming, trolling etc are also protected under Freedom of Speech wether it is done by gov supporters or dissenters as long as they don't cross certain thresholds.
Your point 3. Uss topic Ko delete Kia toh isko bhi kardo... Meine Kia kya bigara hai bhai? "Concept of democracy" ne kya bigara hai? You Sound little vindictive. If this topic comment section get's out of control I'll ask the admins directly to LOCK this topic.
If you don't know the differences between governance and politics. Political Science and politics I urge you to read our constitution ( with same devotion you read our Indian religious texts) and then read constitution of any other country ( RUSSIA ka hi parlo bhai) you'd Learn something new.
Your point 4: No DD birthday is not a public Social event. It can be termed private / community event.
Total_Fun wrote: Your 1st. Point I'm curious what's that magic word 🤔.
Ok, Bol do wo word, banado isko political.
Your 2nd. Point: I don't know what happened exactly with G20 summit topic. But I understand your point that spamming should not be acceptable. But unless DD Admins have an effective automated tool to detect and delete spams those guys have to constantly spend waste handling such mess. So they as the last resort they just lock the topic or delete it.
BTW my topic "Hello World.... hello friend" was also deleted because it went over their heads. Reason was given "spamming" even though later ros_007 admitted it was due to lack of information. Link: https://ddime.i...iQ
So I guess We can agree Admins can be little trigger happy sometimes.
FYI spamming, trolling etc are also protected under Freedom of Speech wether it is done by gov supporters or dissenters as long as they don't cross certain thresholds.
Your point 3. Uss topic Ko delete Kia toh isko bhi kardo... Meine Kia kya bigara hai bhai? "Concept of democracy" ne kya bigara hai? You Sound little vindictive.
If you don't know the differences between governance and politics. Political Science and politics I urge you to read our constitution ( with same devotion you read our Indian religious texts) and then read constitution of any other country ( RUSSIA ka hi parlo bhai) you'd Learn something new.
Your point 4: No DD birthday is not a public Social event. It can be termed private / community event.
Your 1st. Point I'm curious what's that magic word 🤔.
Ok, Bol do wo word, banado isko political
I am a rule abiding dimer.
Your 2nd. Point: I don't know what happened exactly with G20 summit topic. But I understand your point that spamming should not be acceptable. But unless DD Admins have an effective automated tool to detect and delete spams those guys have to constantly spend waste handling such mess. So they as the last resort they just lock the topic or delete it.
BTW my topic "Hello World.... hello friend" was also deleted because it went over their heads. Reason was given "spamming" even though later ros_007 admitted it was due to lack of information. Link: https://ddime.i...iQ
So I guess We can agree Admins can be little trigger happy sometimes.
FYI spamming, trolling etc are also protected under Freedom of Speech wether it is done by gov supporters or dissenters as long as they don't cross certain thresholds.
Your point 3. Uss topic Ko delete Kia toh isko bhi kardo... Meine Kia kya bigara hai bhai? "Concept of democracy" ne kya bigara hai? You Sound little vindictive.
Rule is rule. Whatever is applicable to me and others should be applicable to you as well. No exception.
If you don't know the differences between governance and politics. Political Science andh politics I urge you to read our constitution ( with same devotion you read our Indian religious texts) and then read constitution of any other country ( RUSSIA ka hi parlo bhai) you'd Learn something new.
Admins have banned it altogether. If you want to argue then argue with admins not me. I know if people read religious scriptures with devotion then some people get triggered. No need to get triggered. 🤣 Don't worry people ll keep on celebreting celebrations.
Your point 4: No DD birthday is not a public Social event. It can be termed private / community event.
Is DD some kind of private - clandestine group? Is joining the forum necessary to access the contents of it? No. DD is a private organisation but the forum is open to all. If more people join DD to celebrate DD's birthday, DD ll be more than happy to welcome them.
DemocrazyDemocracy dayOh, you said it here.
Ok.
bikidas2060 bhai Any and every topic can be turned into a political debate and discussion. Try me. Give me any topic and I'll turn it into a politically controversial topic in 15 sentences or less.https://www.desidime.com/discussions/happy-inte...
If one has the abilities to do it with two words then one should not feel bad about it.
Demanding fair treatment is neither stubbornness nor being unreasonable.
@kartikxxx @quantum @bumblefoot
...... But in a autocracy or monarchy or anything other than democratically elected government this topic ( which is discussing about the flaws and faults in the basic concept and implementation of democracy) would never have been banned or restricted. Instead it would most probably be promoted, continuously cited. It might be published in their news. I might receive great rewards and honourary titles.
Which invalidates your point.
BTW if I get honourary title(s) or other rewards from our government or any other gov I'd let you know for sure.