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If you are employed and paying taxes from your hard earned money , then this is for you

Yesterday one senior manager of an IT company was going to work from noida to delhi and in between there was farmers blockade , so traffic was moving slow , he said in very bad tone , that wasting my precious time , why don’t these ppl don’t go anywhere else .
I asked that person do you know a new prime minister house in coming up and new v.p house ..on 2.5 acres of land and 16 storeys ..costing upwards of 15,000crs ? ..he replied ..what on earth i have to do with this ?Then i asked do you know how much tax u payed last year …he said , " yes , that was my hard earned money , it was 15.5 lakh net ..Did u ask the govt where my tax is spended on?
That is the difference , these farmers are standing for there rights , if they won’t stand and won’t create blockades then nobody will listen to them and will be made scapegoats like taxpayers are made …..but we never question ???
and which infrastructure …if road is made , then toll booth are put at every 50kms , so as to collect road cost , along with road taxes which comes with buying new car along with govt duty …., if you travel by air , then every ticket carry airport charges , so which infrastructure is created with this tax money?
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so which infrastructure is created with this tax money?

Start reading/listening Budget presented by Finance ministers….one will know how much tax gets collected and how it is spend.

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Farming sector is the one who gets highest freebies and lowest efficiency in production
Highest manpower used still quite less output

Who is to blame?

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More than 1/3rd is used to pay interest of debt. And we are lending more.

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Just one example
If you are businessman/factory owner and there is loss due to heavy rain, cyclone.. etc you have to bear the losses
If you are farmer and you don’t make arrangements for water and there is no rain, it’s the government who pays them for losses (tax payers money)

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BAT_MAN wrote:

Farming sector is the one who gets highest freebies and lowest efficiency in production
Highest manpower used still not quite less output

Who is to blame?

Vote bank and pathetic MSP..(Every year MSP is increased…which kinds of demotivate any improvement in farming techniques)…

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BAT_MAN wrote:

Farming sector is the one who gets highest freebies and lowest efficiency in production
Highest manpower used still quite less output

Who is to blame?

First things first.it’s not freebies. it’s our gesture and little help to them to not leave farming by seeing losses.infact it’s our prime responsibility.
Second- everybody has a fixed income.does farmers have?no.
Third- just imagine all farmers stop farming one day and think like you.from where you get food?
Finally never ever mix these three , tax,farmer and soldier.if you mix ,your perception will be like this only.hope you change your present perception over farmers soon.

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rajarew wrote:

First things first.it’s not freebies. it’s our gesture and little help to them to not leave farming by seeing losses.infact it’s our prime responsibility.
Second- everybody has a fixed income.does farmers have?no.
Third- just imagine all farmers stop farming one day and think like you.from where you get food?
Finally never ever mix these three , tax,farmer and soldier.if you mix ,your perception will be like this only.hope you change your present perception over farmers soon.

Not everybody has a fixed income bro confused

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Wontdisplaymyname wrote:

Not everybody has a fixed income bro confused

I mean to say income hicups like farmers yar.worst case scenario’s of farmers..

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rajarew wrote:

First things first.it’s not freebies. it’s our gesture and little help to them to not leave farming by seeing losses.infact it’s our prime responsibility.
Second- everybody has a fixed income.does farmers have?no.
Third- just imagine all farmers stop farming one day and think like you.from where you get food?
Finally never ever mix these three , tax,farmer and soldier.if you mix ,your perception will be like this only.hope you change your present perception over farmers soon.

It’s not gesture but a freebie, some marginal farmers are indeed in need of govt help by way of subsidies but not those owning 100’s of acres and who never set a foot on farm land rather employ labour from poor states and pay them pennies, they drive Range rovers and Audi by earning crores each year and paying zero tax? Are they really entitled for subsidies? 2ndly everybody does not have fixed income, businesses suffer losses too, lock down killed many businesses, how many farmers lost their land in lock down? Thirdly do you really think all countries grow their own food? Mate all of the developed countries are developed due to industrialisation and not agriculture, industrialisation generate income and brings economic growth which makes a country afford importing food from developing and agri based countries. Its a choice between paying subsidies as so called gesture tht u think u owe to a farmer or develop you country by taxing every1
suitably be it farmer, businessman or a soldier.

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rajarew wrote:

I mean to say income hicups like farmers yar.worst case scenario’s of farmers..

Do you even have ideas about how rich big farmers are? They enjoy freebie, subsidy and get loan (worth lakhs of rupees) which gets waived off later with taxpayers money…. and they enjoy free money every year. i have seen it with my own eyes.

Note: farmers who has very small land suffer and irony is they dont get all these freebies, subsidy or loans at all.
Now not everyone has stable income and not everyone works in reputed companies, so dont say only small farmers have income hicups.

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@manav.choudhry598 and @DaBomb why are you guys mixing landlords with farmers.that’s a different subject.and @manav.choudhry598 you mean to say that industrialization is the only way to development.i beg to differ.when worst case scenarios happened all over the world india stood tall,you know how? Bcoz we have the ample amount of food supplies.we Indians never worried much about food supplies like other countries do.and ya as u asked i proudly say that i and we definitely owe to farmers.

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rajarew wrote:

First things first.it’s not freebies. it’s our gesture and little help to them to not leave farming by seeing losses.infact it’s our prime responsibility.
Second- everybody has a fixed income.does farmers have?no.
Third- just imagine all farmers stop farming one day and think like you.from where you get food?
Finally never ever mix these three , tax,farmer and soldier.if you mix ,your perception will be like this only.hope you change your present perception over farmers soon.

It is freebies
Loan waiver
Free electricity
Free canals
Subsidised fertiliser
Subsidised seeds
And in return – pay no taxes, no efficient use of water, soil and efforts

Just check how much is farmer percentage in India and their input in revenue compared to service sector or any other sector

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rajarew wrote:

@manav.choudhry598 and @DaBomb why are you guys mixing landlords with farmers.that’s a different subject.and @manav.choudhry598 you mean to say that industrialization is the only way to development.i beg to differ.when worst case scenarios happened all over the world india stood tall,you know how? Bcoz we have the ample amount of food supplies.we Indians never worried much about food supplies like other countries do.and ya as u asked i proudly say that i and we definitely owe to farmers.

I am confused what do you mean by landlords? Where I am located even a 2-3acre holder is a landlord as his piece of land costs over 8-10crores and they drive big flashy cars and keep a handgun for protection as its a sort of status symbol for them and yet they are farmers on paper, yes I stand with my statement that Industrialisation leads to development and is the only way and not other way around correct me if I am wrong. Well its a free country and everyone can have a opinion and I respect that but I do not owe anything to anyone as I am not a farmer but I worked my ass off to get to where I am right now and paid my dues to society and government, also paid for the food that I ate at non subsidised rate, I never received anything for free. Mate I can be thankful for the wonderful food that I paid for but I do not owe anything.

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One of my friend who works in this farming biz, told me when I asked if the farm bills are right or not, that if govt. stops to buy crop from the farmers then farmers will be at the mercy of other companies etc. for selling the crop. Farmer don’t have resources to make their own storage facilities so ultimately they have to sell the crop at what buyer is asking otherwise it will be wasted and also no MSP.
Now I don’t know if it is true but it does explains why farmers are protesting.. any thoughts are welcomed..

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TestV wrote:

One of my friend who works in this farming biz, told me when I asked if the farm bills are right or not, that if govt. stops to buy crop from the farmers then farmers will be at the mercy of other companies etc. for selling the crop. Farmer don’t have resources to make their own storage facilities so ultimately they have to sell the crop at what buyer is asking otherwise it will be wasted and also no MSP.
Now I don’t know if it is true but it does explains why farmers are protesting.. any thoughts are welcomed..

Ask him where he read that no MSP? They are just being provided an opportunity to sell to private party at a better rate or sell at the mandi on MSP, please read the bill for once and guide the ones misguided due to petty politics.

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If anybody is interested in true information about protesting farmers, farmers have started Twitter handle and Facebook page. @ kisanektamorcha. Because national media now a days is mere government spokesperson.

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BAT_MAN wrote:

It is freebies
Loan waiver
Free electricity
Free canals
Subsidised fertiliser
Subsidised seeds
And in return – pay no taxes, no efficient use of water, soil and efforts

Just check how much is farmer percentage in India and their input in revenue compared to service sector or any other sector

Bro your view is totally wrong. I myself have been farming and born in farming family, we are small scale farmers. Majority of farmers are small farmers in India. Despite what you said the freebies do you know farming is not profitable? I put my salary into farming when we faced losses due to drought. You know what my dad said when I asked do we need to farming since its not profitable? he said “It will help to feed needy people”, imagine if farmers stop food production for others ( just for self consumption) where do you buy food? What you will do if onion per kg costs 1000 rupees and rice 2000 rupees think that bro. The price that a farmer gets for his produce is not with huge profit. Do you know how much work involved in rice production? Labour shortage and cost have increased, natural calamities and climate change has added fuel to the fire, natural way of controlling pests not that effective, and so many problems its not easy to farm and get profit for a small scale farmer in India. Don’t write without knowing ground facts. It reminds me of the following thirukkural ( translated from Tamil)

Howe’er they roam, the world must follow still the plougher’s team;
Though toilsome, culture of the ground as noblest toil esteem.

Couplet Explanation:
Agriculture, though laborious, is the most excellent (form of labour); for people, though they go about (in search of various employments), have at last to resort to the farmer.

Transliteration(Tamil to English):
suzhandrum-Erp pinnadhu ulagam adhanaal
uzhandhum uzhavae thalai

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Murphy law: if something can go wrong then it will go wrong

No point debating ahould and shouldnt on moral compass

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kaviarasu wrote:

Bro your view is totally wrong. I myself have born ben farming and in farming family small scale farmers. Majority of farmers are small farmers in India. Despite what you said the freebies do you know farming is not profitable? I put my salary into farming when we faced losses due to drought. You know what my dad said you do we need to farming if its not profitable ? It will help to feed needy people , imagine if farmers stop food production for others ( just for self consumption) where do you buy food? What you will do if onion per kg costs 1000 rupees and rice 2000 rupees think that bro. The price that a farmer gets for his produce is not with huge profit. Do you know how much work involved in rice production? Labour l shortage and cost have increased, natural calamities and climate change has added fuel to the fire, natural way of controlling pests not that effective, and so many problems its not easy to farm and get profit for a small scale farmer in India. Don’t write without knowing ground facts. It reminds me of the following thirukkural ( translated from Tamil)

Howe’er they roam, the world must follow still the plougher’s team;
Though toilsome, culture of the ground as noblest toil esteem.

Couplet Explanation:
Agriculture, though laborious, is the most excellent (form of labour); for people, though they go about (in search of various employments), have at last to resort to the farmer.

Transliteration(Tamil to English):
suzhandrum-Erp pinnadhu ulagam adhanaal
uzhandhum uzhavae thalai

One of the sensible post about the farmers.

Let me also add few points.

1)If farmers stop production, it will effect the GDP . There will be more jobless people, hence unrest in the entire world.
2)Farmers are NOT given subsidies on par with industrialists. If the govt stops subsidies and waivers for industrialists, do they run their industries?
3)Govt is the big spender. If govt stops spending, most of the industries will be in losses.
Most of the industries will be closed, if govt stops spending or giving waivers/subsidies.
4)All food items are under govt control. If they remove all the govt controls, for example, any amount of food grains can be stored by any one, you will have to buy the rice at world market rate of min 500 per kg.
5)Some of the dimers are getting confused with farm land and commercial land. Commercial land owner can roam around the world, but farmer can not.
6)Indira Gandhi had implemented a law, according to that , one can not have more than 7acres (approximately).
7)In current day scenario, no one has more than 7acres land.
8)Commercial land is different, they can have any amount of land under the name of SEZ etc.
9)Commercial land owner will never do farming. He builds colonies, SEZ etc.
10)If there is no MSP, private business people will loot small famers. All the merchants will gang up and fix the price of the produce. Govt need to protect them.

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manav.choudhry598 wrote:

Ask him where he read that no MSP? They are just being provided an opportunity to sell to private party at a better rate or sell at the mandi on MSP, please read the bill for once and guide the ones misguided due to petty politics.

Ohkay, so you think that the govt is bigger than the corporates ?
You can very well see the conditions of BSNL.
I understand the MSP is not going anywhere, but just for the sake of it, we can have a law about that too na ? smile

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manav.choudhry598 wrote:

I am confused what do you mean by landlords? Where I am located even a 2-3acre holder is a landlord as his piece of land costs over 8-10crores and they drive big flashy cars and keep a handgun for protection as its a sort of status symbol for them and yet they are farmers on paper, yes I stand with my statement that Industrialisation leads to development and is the only way and not other way around correct me if I am wrong. Well its a free country and everyone can have a opinion and I respect that but I do not owe anything to anyone as I am not a farmer but I worked my ass off to get to where I am right now and paid my dues to society and government, also paid for the food that I ate at non subsidised rate, I never received anything for free. Mate I can be thankful for the wonderful food that I paid for but I do not owe anything.

Assume you earning 1lakh per month and paying some tax from your income. let assume govt paying 10rs as subsidies to farmers from your tax.now you paying for what you eat and living happily.now assume there is no tax for you and there is no subsidies for farmers and they decided their own price ,and one roti costing 10k,so do you live happily by eating 10 rotis in a month? Dude in your language you worked your ass off only but farmers putting everything what they have .you know for whom you need to be thankful -food grain producers not for the wonderful food you eat.infact you are still getting food at affordable prices (i can’t say non subsidized)just bcoz of the farming industry.so we definitely owe to them to support them.if you not agree let’s be prepare to try 10k worth rotis 😋 .

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You are not single person who pay tax. In india every single person pay tax in different ways. So don’t bark unnecessary things. And start reading little bit of economics about our country.

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rajarew wrote:

Assume you earning 1lakh per month and paying some tax from your income. let assume govt paying 10rs as subsidies to farmers from your tax.now you paying for what you eat and living happily.now assume there is no tax for you and there is no subsidies for farmers and they decided their own price ,and one roti costing 10k,so do you live happily by eating 10 rotis in a month? Dude in your language you worked your ass off only but farmers putting everything what they have .you know for whom you need to be thankful -food grain producers not for the wonderful food you eat.infact you are still getting food at affordable prices (i can’t say non subsidized)just bcoz of the farming industry.so we definitely owe to them to support them.if you not agree let’s be prepare to try 10k worth rotis 😋 .

Yes there’s full support to the farmers. That’s why only a tiny fraction who have monopolised the MSP game are protesting. Most of the farmers will start counter protest in favour of farm bill if govt. thinks of repealing the act. If you are concerned about few farmers who have been misled by the rich farmers and politicians think of the crores of farmers who will be out on the streets if the farm bills are repealed. Don’t be under misconception that those farmers will keep mum just because they are busy with their lives and earning a better income after bypassing APMC thugs. This is just the same template that was used for Shaheen bhag. Its an experiment, a prayog to stall much needed reforms and promote anarchy. General public and majority farmers are gradually understanding these tactics by the BIF forces and won’t be patient for long.

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kunal94 wrote:

You are not single person who pay tax. In india every single person pay tax in different ways. So don’t bark unnecessary things. And start reading little bit of economics about our country.

Do you understand the economics of MSP and the politics behind it. If not don’t accuse other’s of the same.

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manav.choudhry598 wrote:

Ask him where he read that no MSP? They are just being provided an opportunity to sell to private party at a better rate or sell at the mandi on MSP, please read the bill for once and guide the ones misguided due to petty politics.

Corporates always treat msp as MAXIMUM support price not MINIMUM support price.let me put an example- in bihar there are no govt mandies and msp is approx 2000 per ton for wheat.since there is Monopoly and no govt mandies ,ITC forced farmers and bought 3 lakh tons at 1800rs per ton.so, just assume how much bihar farmers lost and itc gained.did they followed msp terms? ,No.This could be one of the reason why farmers are protesting now.

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rajarew wrote:

Assume you earning 1lakh per month and paying some tax from your income. let assume govt paying 10rs as subsidies to farmers from your tax.now you paying for what you eat and living happily.now assume there is no tax for you and there is no subsidies for farmers and they decided their own price ,and one roti costing 10k,so do you live happily by eating 10 rotis in a month? Dude in your language you worked your ass off only but farmers putting everything what they have .you know for whom you need to be thankful -food grain producers not for the wonderful food you eat.infact you are still getting food at affordable prices (i can’t say non subsidized)just bcoz of the farming industry.so we definitely owe to them to support them.if you not agree let’s be prepare to try 10k worth rotis 😋 .

Sir, have you ever stepped out of India?
Food(Pulses, Vegetables, Fruits) in India is actually expensive than most countries

so please stop saying that we get food at affordable price …fact is it is costly/comparable to most nations

Take Simple example of Wheat
MSP price in India is Rs 1975/100KG
International price is around $USD 250/ton or around Rs1800/100KG …
Our Exports of Agri products is also insignificant amount compared to most big nations(Do check what kind of stuff we export..and how do we compare to most big nations)

Reference for Wheat Price
https://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-...
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/econo...

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madmax87 wrote:

Yes there’s full support to the farmers. That’s why only a tiny fraction who have monopolised the MSP game are protesting. Most of the farmers will start counter protest in favour of farm bill if govt. thinks of repealing the act. If you are concerned about few farmers who have been misled by the rich farmers and politicians think of the crores of farmers who will be out on the streets if the farm bills are repealed. Don’t be under misconception that those farmers will keep mum just because they are busy with their lives and earning a better income after bypassing APMC thugs. This is just the same template that was used for Shaheen bhag. Its an experiment, a prayog to stall much needed reforms and promote anarchy. General public and majority farmers are gradually understanding these tactics by the BIF forces and won’t be patient for long.

Come visit punjab, you would get to know if the farmers are real or not smile
I cant really say of other states, but the protest is mainly by haryana and punjab only (since they are the biggest beneficiaries in MSP regime)

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DaBomb wrote:

Do you even have ideas about how rich big farmers are? They enjoy freebie, subsidy and get loan (worth lakhs of rupees) which gets waived off later with taxpayers money…. and they enjoy free money every year. i have seen it with my own eyes.

Note: farmers who has very small land suffer and irony is they dont get all these freebies, subsidy or loans at all.
Now not everyone has stable income and not everyone works in reputed companies, so dont say only small farmers have income hicups.

Their sons n daughters go to Canada 😁😁😁

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