Isn't it strange? Happening first time in history?

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  • Pandemic has hit every decade in history but this is for the first time in my knowledge a Pandemic stayed so long almost 2 years
    * Mortality rate is less then previous Pandemics than also whole world is locked
    * This is the only vaccine invented within 1 year where before it use to take 7-8 years
    * For the first time Vaccine is directly tried on human without any previous trails on animals
    * For the first time Certification formality created for Vaccine
    * Now this Certificate hold value like Aadhaar card and may be in future it’ll be linked also
    * This Certificate is equal to authority which will decide which citizen can socialize and who’ll be restricted
  • * Due to this Certificate restrictions citizens are badly effected can’t go to job, travel and no opposition party to oppose, every single politician is now one on this issue and fully supportive we used to think our parties, police are useless, lazy, corrupt they don’t bother but look at there proactiveness, ready with there sticks and fine penalty slip, assume if they had worked tirelessly for country major issues like this before where would we were standing today?

    What’s your view, would like to add something?
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Bhai. When we were suffering with Covid, Taliban was preparing itself for the big show. Now China is backing Taliban. It actually gives some hints. 🙂🙂🙂

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bikidas2060 wrote:

Bhai. When we were suffering with Covid, Taliban was preparing itself for the big show. Now China is backing Taliban. It actually gives some hints. 🙂🙂🙂

What hint?

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The western world specifically USA were always better prepared for pandemics and always have contingencies to fast track research and development depending on the severity of the disease.

The Bubonic Plague led to the Black Death where within 4 years 60% of Europe’s population succumbed to plague. In 20th century, Spanish Flu killed 50 million people across USA, Europe and parts of Asia within a year. A pandemic if left unchecked can decimate a large portion of the working population and destroy decades of progress, wealth and development.

Hence why governments across the world are slow with reopening and lockdown at the 1st sight of cluster cases outbreak. USA,China are rolling out vaccines under emergency because they want their economies to recover fastest. Europe and other developed one’s are coping by giving welfare to keep people home while they try to get vaccine supply. While the developing economies are stuck between a rock and hard place whether deciding to listen to the experts and curb virus spread or the mass populace who are poor, lower middle class and do not have any safety net with the economy shut.

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Chudiya wrote:

The western world specifically USA were always better prepared for pandemics and always have contingencies to fast track research and development depending on the severity of the disease.

The Bubonic Plague led to the Black Death where within 4 years 60% of Europe’s population succumbed to plague. In 20th century, Spanish Flu killed 50 million people across USA, Europe and parts of Asia within a year. A pandemic if left unchecked can decimate a large portion of the working population and destroy decades of progress, wealth and development.

Hence why governments across the world are slow with reopening and lockdown at the 1st sight of cluster cases outbreak. USA,China are rolling out vaccines under emergency because they want their economies to recover fastest. Europe and other developed one’s are coping by giving welfare to keep people home while they try to get vaccine supply. While the developing economies are stuck between a rock and hard place whether deciding to listen to the experts and curb virus spread or the mass populace who are poor, lower middle class and do not have any safety net with the economy shut.

But my doubts still not cleared, why certification this time which never happened earlier, and when vaccinated and unvaccinated person both are equally spreader then why this discrimination?

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bikidas2060 wrote:

Bhai. When we were suffering with Covid, Taliban was preparing itself for the big show. Now China is backing Taliban. It actually gives some hints. 🙂🙂🙂

Didn’t got your point but just raised a question in mind isn’t covid there in Afghanistan?

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Baaap wrote:

But my doubts still not cleared, why certification this time which never happened earlier, and when vaccinated and unvaccinated person both are equally spreader then why this discrimination?

Viruses have a higher chance to evolve and mutate in unvaccinated people thus giving it a better chance to fight against vaccine. Like how the Indian delta variant or south African variant are leading to surge in cases in North America, Europe

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Chudiya wrote:

Viruses have a higher chance to evolve and mutate in unvaccinated people thus giving it a better chance to fight against vaccine. Like how the Indian delta variant or south African variant are leading to surge in cases in North America, Europe

If it’s so then why fully vaccinated Isreal is going for 4th dose and if you have idea or not just to inform you they have already completed 3rd dose and how many doses we’ll have to take in future also you didn’t answered why Certification leading to restriction in transportation etc?

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Baaap wrote:

If it’s so then why fully vaccinated Isreal is going for 4th dose and if you have idea or not just to inform you they have already completed 3rd dose and how many doses we’ll have to take in future also you didn’t answered why Certification leading to restriction in transportation etc?

Vaccinated people even if infected again will have much less chances of complications & deaths compared to unvaccinated people & this has been proved in report published in USA 1-2 days ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/1...

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds

Israel is going for 4th does because they can(small population & better planning) while for many other countries the principle that applies is “beggars can’t be choosers”.

As for your first few points, keep in mind the changes between previous pandemics & this one. It is not actually the pandemic that killed most people but rather lack of medical support because of overwhelming number of patients in a short time. If everyone in Delhi had got an oxygen cylinder then death rate wouldn’t be so high. This is the main difference between previous pandemics & this pandemic. This is also why a majority of rich people didn’t die because they could afford to have an uninterrupted supply of oxygen cylinders & doctor support(of course there are exceptions like old age, other related complications etc but majority of them didn’t suffer much).

Also all vaccines were trialed on animals first & then on humans, it is just that process speed is more than usual so earlier where test involves injecting vaccine in 10 people & wait for 100 days to see the effects here 100 people were injected with vaccine & wait for 10 days to see the effects(I hope you get it, you can either inject less people & wait longer to see potential complications or you can inject more people & wait lesser as all humans are unique so chances of complications occurring increases with both more time as well as more people).

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Baaap wrote:

Didn’t got your point but just raised a question in mind isn’t covid there in Afghanistan?

Covid is there. It’s just Taliban used it as a cover. China is helping Taliban. Taliban thing didn’t happen in a fortnight. And our attention was diverted.

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bikidas2060 wrote:

Bhai. When we were suffering with Covid, Taliban was preparing itself for the big show. Now China is backing Taliban. It actually gives some hints. 🙂🙂🙂

https://cdn0.desidime.com/attachments/photos/711270/medium/792571010582752-3x2-940x627.png?1631508149

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guest_999 wrote:

Vaccinated people even if infected again will have much less chances of complications & deaths compared to unvaccinated people & this has been proved in report published in USA 1-2 days ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/1...

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds

Israel is going for 4th does because they can(small population & better planning) while for many other countries the principle that applies is “beggars can’t be choosers”.

As for your first few points, keep in mind the changes between previous pandemics & this one. It is not actually the pandemic that killed most people but rather lack of medical support because of overwhelming number of patients in a short time. If everyone in Delhi had got an oxygen cylinder then death rate wouldn’t be so high. This is the main difference between previous pandemics & this pandemic. This is also why a majority of rich people didn’t die because they could afford to have an uninterrupted supply of oxygen cylinders & doctor support(of course there are exceptions like old age, other related complications etc but majority of them didn’t suffer much).

Also all vaccines were trialed on animals first & then on humans, it is just that process speed is more than usual so earlier where test involves injecting vaccine in 10 people & wait for 100 days to see the effects here 100 people were injected with vaccine & wait for 10 days to see the effects(I hope you get it, you can either inject less people & wait longer to see potential complications or you can inject more people & wait lesser as all humans are unique so chances of complications occurring increases with both more time as well as more people).

hey hi bro thanks for participating in this thread, I’m highly confused now just saw this video with proof will request if you could please go through it and give your response

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Baaap wrote:

But my doubts still not cleared, why certification this time which never happened earlier, and when vaccinated and unvaccinated person both are equally spreader then why this discrimination?

Only thing I can think of regarding certification is more people travel across the globe now then the previous outbreaks. So are the chances of of spreading through unvaccinated. Screening and quarantine is way to contain but is resource consuming.

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10ven wrote:

Only thing I can think of regarding certification is more people travel across the globe now then the previous outbreaks. So are the chances of of spreading through unvaccinated. Screening and quarantine is way to contain but is resource consuming.

That’s means you don’t have idea about this verdict many states of high court has given decision that no matter if you are vaccinated or not both are equally spreaders, discrimination is unconstitutional

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Baaap wrote:

That’s means you don’t have idea about this verdict many states of high court has given decision that no matter if you are vaccinated or not both are equally spreaders, discrimination is unconstitutional

I thought you were talking about world. I have been travelling a lot in India no one asked me certificate so far.

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10ven wrote:

I thought you were talking about world. I have been travelling a lot in India no one asked me certificate so far.

Here in Mumbai for travelling in local train or entering in mall we must be fully vaccinated plus completion of 14 days 🤦‍♂️

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Baaap wrote:

hey hi bro thanks for participating in this thread, I’m highly confused now just saw this video with proof will request if you could please go through it and give your response

That is why you or anybody else should not watch news on youtube where anybody can say anything & gets lakhs of views/upvotes. If somebody believe this guy & refuse to get vaccinated & die then that guy’s family can’t claim even a single rupee from this guy whereas if this guy working as a reporter in newspaper(like he earlier did) publish an article saying same thing in printed version of newspaper then he can be easily dragged to court & made to pay at least lakhs of compensation. Can you see the difference now?
https://www.livemint.com/science/health/most-co...

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Baaap wrote:

Here in Mumbai for travelling in local train or entering in mall we must be fully vaccinated plus completion of 14 days 🤦‍♂️

Flawed rule
With the emerging mutations… there’s no guarantee that a vaccinated person cannot spread the virus. Its just that the vaccinated people are less likely to get hospitalized and even die ( Again.. 60+ and people with comorbidities are an exception )

If someone is really concerned about COVID virus spread, then COVID-Test report should be mandatory (latest). Again, the rapid tests are far less accurate (especially for people w/o any COVID symptoms).. it has to be RT-PCR.
+ Its been 8 months since the first vaccination drives.. there could be many people (who got shots during initial phases) with very less COVID antibodies (Chances of Re-infections + Hospitalization/death is higher in these cases). The same reason why many countries started giving third/foruth booster shots to people ( based on COVID-19 IgG report )

The reason IMO.. they are making the vaccination certificate mandatory is.. It is cost-effective. They wanna make people believe that they are taking measured to control the wide-spread of COVID ( + Free Vaccine for everyone is doing a decent PR job even though its a flash sale and being availed by very few people/day )

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bikidas2060 wrote:

Bhai. When we were suffering with Covid, Taliban was preparing itself for the big show. Now China is backing Taliban. It actually gives some hints. 🙂🙂🙂

Wahain bandaa whatsapp forwards bhej raha hai shaanti se… aur aap ko bass😁
sub-forum title ka pehla shabd (word) dikh gaya…
And you gave it that hue (rang/colour)🤷🏻‍♂️

Arey भई, his query is less political and more generic, philosophical. . . . . i think (I could be wrong though).

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getready wrote:

….It is cost-effective. They wanna make people believe that they are taking measures to control….

and that .. by itself is usually enough for most "pompous but pea-brained jackasses’ to gain currency (credibility) in the mindspace of the average commoners.

I mean, one could even turn into an Idi Amin or Marie Antoinette …
..but if more brownie points can be earned by keeping the charade of being a saint (mahatma, fakeer).. then why explicitly go the Idi Amin way!
(Although implicitly, all powers that be.. have literally turned into Marie Antoinettes only😔).


P.S.: in light of the ‘rules for posting’ in this section, all names and references/ titles above are ‘generically’ being ascribed universally to ALL political powers/ monarchs/ autocratic regimes/ all democratically elected representatives ANYWHERE in the universe. No slurs or person specific remarks were intended here.

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soyoozms wrote:

Wahain bandaa whatsapp forwards bhej raha hai shaanti se… aur aap ko bass😁
sub-forum title ka pehla shabd (word) dikh gaya…
And you gave it that hue (rang/colour)🤷🏻‍♂️

Arey भई, his query is less political and more generic, philosophical. . . . . i think (I could be wrong though).

Han han. Covid time pe WhatsApp pe hi toh bharosa kiye app saab. 😉😉😉

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bikidas2060 wrote:

Han han. Covid time pe WhatsApp pe hi toh bharosa kiye app saab. 😉😉😉

No TV, no electronic media reporting, no messenger softwares (except Skype and BSNL WINGS number) this side.

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soyoozms wrote:

Wahain bandaa whatsapp forwards bhej raha hai shaanti se… aur aap ko bass😁
sub-forum title ka pehla shabd (word) dikh gaya…
And you gave it that hue (rang/colour)🤷🏻‍♂️

Arey भई, his query is less political and more generic, philosophical. . . . . i think (I could be wrong though).

Sirjee, whatsapp forwards are too mainstream.

Now, it’s the era of Live Broadcasting/camming.

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shoaibmax wrote:

Sirjee, whatsapp forwards are too mainstream.

Now, it’s the era of Live Broadcasting/camming.

I bring in my sonic-vibrations logic to defend this.

https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw...32

In another context it’s a successful treatment. It was done at a time, when people had lost hope. When people lose hope, anarchy prevails. It was a political move. But it was a great move.

https://www.livescience.com/7472-kill-viruses-s...

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