vegan and milk industry

Some people give excuses that if calf drinks full milk he won't be able to digest it which would lead to indigestion

And if cow buffalo are left with the milk it would be life threatening for them .

I would like to know who goes to milk wild animals , why they are not facing any such problems , it's just that we humans want to sell and earn profits

Milk is only for infants and for initial growth becoz they only have the required hormone which would breakdown and help them digest it better,

But it has become a norm nowadays to have milk for all protein vitamin as if no other food has it

Milk in tea, raw milk, milk at night , most of the people having milk at daily basis facing health issues like indigestion constipation gas etc , but they won't admit it.

I was also one of them having all milk sweets, rabri, etc but trying to limit it to 1 or 2 times monthly.

There are two sides of this, and IMO both are right at some extent.

Due to increase of the demand of the Dairy Products the dairy industry is doing some malpractices which mus not be done.

On the other hand, it's a truth that the amount of milk produced by Cow/Buffalo is a lot for the calf, they can't consume it all.

Earlier most of the people use to have their own animals just like right now most have in villages. The whole area used to share the milk in the neighborhood in need as every cow/buffalo may not be giving milk all the time.

sam21500873 wrote:

Some people give excuses that if calf drinks full milk he won't be able to digest it which would lead to indigestion

And if cow buffalo are left with the milk it would be life threatening for them .

I would like to know who goes to milk wild animals , why they are not facing any such problems , it's just that we humans want to sell and earn profits

Milk is only for infants and for initial growth becoz they only have the required hormone which would breakdown and help them digest it better,

But it has become a norm nowadays to have milk for all protein vitamin as if no other food has it

Milk in tea, raw milk, milk at night , most of the people having milk at daily basis facing health issues like indigestion constipation gas etc , but they won't admit it.

I was also one of them having all milk sweets, rabri, etc but trying to limit it to 1 or 2 times monthly.

What about Maida/Junk Food? Are they healthy and not making any health impact?

Also, the milk which comes after the birth of the calf and after some time is very different. 

Rajkotian wrote:
There are two sides of this, and IMO both are right at some extent.

Due to increase of the demand of the Dairy Products the dairy industry is doing some malpractices which mus not be done.

On the other hand, it's a truth that the amount of milk produced by Cow/Buffalo is a lot for the calf, they can't consume it all.

Earlier most of the people use to have their own animals just like right now most have in villages. The whole area used to share the milk in the neighborhood in need as every cow/buffalo may not be giving milk all the time.

The argument that the amount of milk that a cow produces is a lot for the calf is not true in my opinion. The milk that cow produces is based on the demand. They keep milking the cow and that's why it's generating more milk than required for the calf. The same principle applies to humans too. Once a mother stops breastfeeding, eventually it stops producing milk. I'm not even going into the horrific treatment of cows, when old cows are discarded and new born male calves, after sometime, are sent to slughterhouses. 

Suddenly

People started thinking about the nature

About other animals

Great

Now

An elephant eats a lots of trees ,plants

And their dung is soo good for the environment, it makes the land more fertile.

hyena , they eat meat, their dung is high on phosphorus calcium, helps the land to be more fertile

We humans eat a lot of things doing potty in the bathroom and giving the environment only co2 using its resources

So dont thik much

Nature has given us Cow, its milk having far more nutritional values than plant based milk

What u can do is whenever u come across any cow

Feed them

Rajkotian wrote:

What about Maida/Junk Food? Are they healthy and not making any health impact?

Also, the milk which comes after the birth of the calf and after some time is very different. 

This thread was regarding milk
And yes maida /junk food are also unhealthy but the point of discussion here was milk.

Ya there is a difference between the milk just after birth and after sometime which humans usually use but that also doesn't entitle humans to consume fully and keep calf deprived of .

Just look at the animals how we treat them after they are not useful to us in terms of milk

Rajkotian wrote:
There are two sides of this, and IMO both are right at some extent.

Due to increase of the demand of the Dairy Products the dairy industry is doing some malpractices which mus not be done.

On the other hand, it's a truth that the amount of milk produced by Cow/Buffalo is a lot for the calf, they can't consume it all.

Earlier most of the people use to have their own animals just like right now most have in villages. The whole area used to share the milk in the neighborhood in need as every cow/buffalo may not be giving milk all the time.

Ya right this practice of sharing milk from time to time in a span of 6 months usually untill when cow buffalo gives milk still very prominent in villages,

Its much good in terms of milk consumption but at City level dairy industry just exploiting animals for more production for profits

rconan9581 wrote:

The argument that the amount of milk that a cow produces is a lot for the calf is not true in my opinion. The milk that cow produces is based on the demand. They keep milking the cow and that's why it's generating more milk than required for the calf. The same principle applies to humans too. Once a mother stops breastfeeding, eventually it stops producing milk. I'm not even going into the horrific treatment of cows, when old cows are discarded and new born male calves, after sometime, are sent to slughterhouses. 

It's true bro, go and ask to someone who actually have cows/buffaloes. Don't rely on the internet.

And there are many Gau Shalas who take cares of all the cows who are old and can't produce milk.

Most people in cities today are lactose intolerant anyway. Not sure what's the reason. 

हे गोविन्द

Rajkotian wrote:

It's true bro, go and ask to someone who actually have cows/buffaloes. Don't rely on the internet.

And there are many Gau Shalas who take cares of all the cows who are old and can't produce milk.

Brother, I'm not quoting from the internet. I have seen this and I have also asked around about this. For example, two years ago, I had people working for me for labour jobs. A couple of them had cows and this was a normal practice for them. This is just one such example. And I'm someone who doesn't believe anything unless seen. I have also visited the gau shalas you're talking about. I have visited multiple times and the living conditions of cows was terrible there, at least in my town. I'd urge to pay a visit also in your nearby place. Don't just rely on my opinion.

And whenever someone tells you that they take good care of cows, just ask them one question. Where does the malf calf go? You see, for the cows to produce milk, just like humans, they need to get pregnant and produce milk. So whenever a male calf is born, he's destined to go to slaughter house or roam around the streets and eat from garbage. All of us have seen this at least on the roads. 

That is not the sole reason of Vegan movement. It also considers that expansion of Dairy Industry on a large global scale for milk products and meat has necessisated faster multiplication in number of dairy animals, large scale deforestation to grow crop such as soya as dairy feed (conversion of forest to cattle grazing land), leading to adverse climate change. Cows & Buffalos also exhale huge amount of methane during their digestion which is greenhouse gas more harmful than CO2.

Direct consumption of vegetable based (or soya based milk, butter etc.) products can help in reducing the number of dairy animals on earth thereby reducing the need for deforestation and GHG emissions

quantum wrote:

हे गोविन्द

Apan bhi yahi peete hain: https://www.govindmilk.com...k/

99% packaged milk delivered to home is adultrated!

If consuming packaged milk, Milk is nutritious notion is not applicable in today's world.

rconan9581 wrote:

Brother, I'm not quoting from the internet. I have seen this and I have also asked around about this. For example, two years ago, I had people working for me for labour jobs. A couple of them had cows and this was a normal practice for them. This is just one such example. And I'm someone who doesn't believe anything unless seen. I have also visited the gau shalas you're talking about. I have visited multiple times and the living conditions of cows was terrible there, at least in my town. I'd urge to pay a visit also in your nearby place. Don't just rely on my opinion.

And whenever someone tells you that they take good care of cows, just ask them one question. Where does the malf calf go? You see, for the cows to produce milk, just like humans, they need to get pregnant and produce milk. So whenever a male calf is born, he's destined to go to slaughter house or roam around the streets and eat from garbage. All of us have seen this at least on the roads. 

That's strange and saddening!

Actually, a few of my friends and relatives have their own farmhouses, and some friend's parents are still living in the villages. We do occasionally visit there and stay as well. So, I got info from them only.

Animals are not allowed on the main streets in my city, The Municipality has attached RFID with each registered animal. Very Heavy fine if any animal found on main roads.

I do regularly visit the Gaushalas, they keep all the Cows with no discrimination or selling to slaughters i.e. Injured, Aged, Male Calf, ill calf/cow, buffalo, horses, goats, etc. They are very genuine and trusted. But what you are saying also can be true, I never felt the same at any Gaushalas that I visited.  (Most of the Cows in Gau Shala are cows who can't produce milk.)

Rajkotian wrote:

That's strange and saddening!

Actually, a few of my friends and relatives have their own farmhouses, and some friend's parents are still living in the villages. We do occasionally visit there and stay as well. So, I got info from them only.

Animals are not allowed on the main streets in my city, The Municipality has attached RFID with each registered animal. Very Heavy fine if any animal found on main roads.

I do regularly visit the Gaushalas, they keep all the Cows with no discrimination or selling to slaughters i.e. Injured, Aged, Male Calf, ill calf/cow, buffalo, horses, goats, etc. They are very genuine and trusted. But what you are saying also can be true, I never felt the same at any Gaushalas that I visited.  (Most of the Cows in Gau Shala are cows who can't produce milk.)

Bro, that's good to know. In my city, it's a whole different situation. You will see cows roaming around eating from garbage. And just so you know, many of them also have tags. 

But when you visit the people that you're talking about, please do ask them this question, that what happens to the male calves? I mean, ask question to those in the business. Do they keep taking care of male ones their whole lives despite them being the liability and not generating any business? 

Also, the practice I talked about is more common in buffaloes as buffalo meat is legal anyway. That's the reason India's the fourth largest meat exporter in the world. 

Vegan movement wale pagal hai IMHO!

Generations upon generations have been consuming milk obtained from animals without any issue and now suddenly these vegan wale people want us to stop drinking milk!

How am I supposed to relish Rooh-afza, Chocolate powder, Turmeric, badam, kajoo, garlic, etc. if not the milk? And what about all the kajukatlis, barfis, ras-malais, peda that I can't live without? As I said pagal hain ye log. This whole 'milk is only for the calves' is a non-issue created by good-for-nothing people who don't have a regular job!

Bhagwan Krishna mere samne ayein to doodh ka katora kahan se rakhoonga unke samne agar in badbolon ki manoon to?

These vegans, all should be forced to drink full-fat Amul Gold buffallo milk with kajoo-badam, with a hint of kesar. Only then will they know the taste and enjoyement of drinking milk. Nobody's gonna come between me and my yummy, creamy milk!