What not to purchase ...Herbalife

Although I have never bought or used Herbalife or even any Amway product, the info you shared is indeed useful. Thanks for sharing. I have condoned these multi-level marketing companies since the time I came to know about them since their ultimate vision is money-making and strong marketing to make end users believe that their products are high quality, effective and good for health, etc.

ALL these overpriced, untested useless supplements, ayush products are unsafe to the liver. People realise it after wasting lot of money and/or their liver.

But.. why it is just about one brand? It could be any other or even different kind involving herbs like herbal medicines or even herbal tea. If you go through the above link, many of these people who developed acute/chronic damage to liver were on multiple supplements at the same time, making it hard to blame just one party. And like they rightly say, anything too much is no good

The use of herbal supplements and alternative medicines has been increasing in the last decades. Despite popular belief that the consumption of natural products is harmless, herbs might cause injury to various organs, particularly to the liver, which is responsible for their metabolism in the form of herb-induced liver injury

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC82...

I knew about amway and a few protein powder crap for body building. My cousin takes a popular one Rs 6k for 2 kg tub, company is somewhere from israel and us but full ingredients list is not mentioned. With the amount of young people starting to get heart diseases and dead (including non celebrities), esp those who are into instant body building and eating sus powders.. definitely has connection

hana25 wrote:

I knew about amway and a few protein powder crap for body building. My cousin takes a popular one Rs 6k for 2 kg tub, company is somewhere from israel and us but full ingredients list is not mentioned. With the amount of young people starting to get heart diseases and dead (including non celebrities), esp those who are into instant body building and eating sus powders.. definitely has connection

https://twitter.com/thel...dr

https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0...

bdatta1981 wrote:
condoned

*condemned ??

LordGane wrote:
ALL these overpriced, untested useless supplements, ayush products are unsafe to the liver. People realise it after wasting lot of money and/or their liver.

ayush products are unsafe to the liver

No. Similarly, metronidazole is a carcinogen. Paracetamol and analgesic nephropathy: Are you kidneying me? , Metformin-associated lactic acidosis can cause metabolic acidosis in patients with moderate CKD, and this has been shown to have a deleterious effect on renal function leading to a decline in eGFR and progression of CKD [17–19].
The list will go on. Blanket statements like these are erroneous. A lot of people consume them and get healed. Same is true for AYUSH products too. There are proper ways to do. If rules are followed then results will be good. If the rules are not followed then the results ll be disastrous. 

bikidas2060 wrote:


ayush products are unsafe to the liver

No. Similarly, metronidazole is a carcinogen. Paracetamol and analgesic nephropathy: Are you kidneying me? , Metformin-associated lactic acidosis can cause metabolic acidosis in patients with moderate CKD, and this has been shown to have a deleterious effect on renal function leading to a decline in eGFR and progression of CKD [17–19].
The list will go on. Blanket statements like these are erroneous. A lot of people consume them and get healed. Same is true for AYUSH products too. There are proper ways to do. If rules are followed then results will be good. If the rules are not followed then the results ll be disastrous. 

How are your examples relevant? When someone has an underlying condition already, then certain drugs shouldn't be used. Every modern medicine practitioner knows it. Powergesic MR tablet works excellent for back pain in particular cases but it decreases platelets count so it shouldn't be used for those with platelet deficiency or cancer patients. You can't say Powergesic MR is unsafe. That's called nitpicking. If you drink too much water you can go to Coma. Would you say water causes coma? Even in your examples, it's a study and modern medicine science decide what to avoid in certain conditions as studies evolve. In Ayush, where is the concept of study, safety efficacy, trials, post market study? Who is the regulator for Ayush medicines? Leave all those. Are you even aware that there is no germ theory in Ayurveda at all so what medicines or treatment are you even talking about in Ayurveda? If you don't understand what I said there is no virus or bacteria or fungi or such in Ayurveda. So how do you treat a viral fever, based on what? How do you treat a bacterial infection? I don't know what cure you are even mentioning. Most fevers, cough, cold, Jaundice as an ex are self limiting diseases. People who claim they got better or got burnt on their hands in their villages for jaundice got healed because they don't need any medicines in the first place. So called Ayurveda medicines are mixed illegally with modern medicine drugs because they don't work otherwise.
Ayush is called "psuedo science" for such reasons and banned in many countries.

LordGane wrote:
How are your examples relevant? When someone has an underlying condition already, then certain drugs shouldn't be used. Every modern medicine practitioner knows it. Powergesic MR tablet works excellent for back pain in particular cases but it decreases platelets count so it shouldn't be used for those with platelet deficiency or cancer patients. You can't say Powergesic MR is unsafe. That's called nitpicking. If you drink too much water you can go to Coma. Would you say water causes coma? Even in your examples, it's a study and modern medicine science decide what to avoid in certain conditions as studies evolve. In Ayush, where is the concept of study, safety efficacy, trials, post market study? Who is the regulator for Ayush medicines? Leave all those. Are you even aware that there is no germ theory in Ayurveda at all so what medicines or treatment are you even talking about in Ayurveda? If you don't understand what I said there is no virus or bacteria or fungi or such in Ayurveda. So how do you treat a viral fever, based on what? How do you treat a bacterial infection? I don't know what cure you are even mentioning. Most fevers, cough, cold, Jaundice as an ex are self limiting diseases. People who claim they got better or got burnt on their hands in their villages for jaundice got healed because they don't need any medicines in the first place. So called Ayurveda medicines are mixed illegally with modern medicine drugs because they don't work otherwise.
Ayush is called "psuedo science" for such reasons and banned in many countries.

So called Ayurveda medicines are mixed illegally with modern medicine drugs because they don't work otherwise. 

There are many such real life verifiable testimonies where so called modern medicine failed. 

Ever heard of Psyllium Husk for treatment of constipation?

If you don't understand what I said, it means Isabgol. General Surgeons prescribe it, n so did Ayurvedic docs thousands of years ago. 

If you don't understand what I said there is no virus or bacteria or fungi or such in Ayurveda.

Because Ayurveda just works fine without it. Ever heard of Ksharsutra treatment? Boom. It works. 🙂😉

Modern medicine don't even understand why certain people get medical conditions such as anal fistulas in the first place.

So how do you treat a viral fever, based on what? How do you treat a bacterial infection?

Only an expert in that subject can answer you. And I assure you treatment methods for viral fever has not changed much since years. How to treat bacterial infection? By Ayurvedic meds for such ailments. 

My examples are very relevant. And don't worry, people from those places where only so called modern medicines are only allowed, rush towards places where AYUSH is allowed and get themselves treated. 

In Ayush, where is the concept of study, safety efficacy, trials, post market study?

Wannabe experts keep asking such questions and big pharmas keep on patenting those gems of Ayurveda and people don't hesitate to pay in big amount to get themselves treated. 🙂 Ayurveda is a holistic approach to treat ailments. Trust me reputed doctors understand it and prescribe for their patients. 

How are your examples relevant?

It only needs an open pair of eyes to understand. 

bikidas2060 wrote:

So called Ayurveda medicines are mixed illegally with modern medicine drugs because they don't work otherwise. 

There are many such real life verifiable testimonies where so called modern medicine failed. 

Ever heard of Psyllium Husk for treatment of constipation?

If you don't understand what I said, it means Isabgol. General Surgeons prescribe it, n so did Ayurvedic docs thousands of years ago. 

If you don't understand what I said there is no virus or bacteria or fungi or such in Ayurveda.

Because Ayurveda just works fine without it. Ever heard of Ksharsutra treatment? Boom. It works. 🙂😉

Modern medicine don't even understand why certain people get medical conditions such as anal fistulas in the first place.

So how do you treat a viral fever, based on what? How do you treat a bacterial infection?

Only an expert in that subject can answer you. And I assure you treatment methods for viral fever has not changed much since years. How to treat bacterial infection? By Ayurvedic meds for such ailments. 

My examples are very relevant. And don't worry, people from those places where only so called modern medicines are only allowed, rush towards places where AYUSH is allowed and get themselves treated. 

In Ayush, where is the concept of study, safety efficacy, trials, post market study?

Wannabe experts keep asking such questions and big pharmas keep on patenting those gems of Ayurveda and people don't hesitate to pay in big amount to get themselves treated. 🙂 Ayurveda is a holistic approach to treat ailments. Trust me reputed doctors understand it and prescribe for their patients. 

How are your examples relevant?

It only needs an open pair of eyes to understand. 

You really need to learn a lot about medicine.  Who in the world has claimed that modern medicine has found cures for every disease?  You said Ayurveda works just fine. You still didn't say what exactly it works for and how? Where is the study, in how many days does it work? What is the standard dosage per kg human weight? What are the side effects? Maybe you should try yourself. Let's consider a common problem. How exactly are they going to measure diabetes levels in blood? How about next time you go to an AYUSH doctor and ask him to tell your Diabetes reading with so called "open eyes" and not use any scientific labs? What is big pharma? Pharma is a business just like any other industry. Patanjali makes ₹ 400 crore profit per year. What's your point?

LordGane wrote:
You really need to learn a lot about medicine.  Who in the world has claimed that modern medicine has found cures for every disease?  You said Ayurveda works just fine. You still didn't say what exactly it works for and how? Where is the study, in how many days does it work? What is the standard dosage per kg human weight? What are the side effects? Maybe you should try yourself. Let's consider a common problem. How exactly are they going to measure diabetes levels in blood? How about next time you go to an AYUSH doctor and ask him to tell your Diabetes reading with so called "open eyes" and not use any scientific labs? What is big pharma? Pharma is a business just like any other industry. Patanjali makes ₹ 400 crore profit per year. What's your point?

You really need to learn a lot about medicine. 

Yes. And you should as well. More you learn will make you realise how less you know about it. 

Who in the world has claimed that modern medicine has found cures for every disease? 

Where modern medicine failed, people come back to their roots n get help.

You said Ayurveda works just fine. You still didn't say what exactly it works for and how? Where is the study, in how many days does it work? 

depends upon the disease. Now, you will ask how do a simple breathing exercise called Yoga work? The study is out there. Patients n there testimonials are also out there. 

What is the standard dosage per kg human weight? What are the side effects? 

ask a physician for such questions. Side effects can be mild diarrhoea to life threatening conditions.

Maybe you should try yourself. 

I do.  Who does manufacturer it? Lupin life science. And it's prescribed to me by my General Surgeon.  

Let's consider a common problem. How exactly are they going to measure diabetes levels in blood? How about next time you go to an AYUSH doctor and ask him to tell your Diabetes reading with so called "open eyes" and not use any scientific labs? What is big pharma? Pharma is a business just like any other industry. Patanjali makes ₹ 400 crore profit per year. What's your point?

If Pharma makes a big profit then it's ok. If an Ayurvedic meds seller makes a big profit then people have a meltdown. Maybe reading between lines is more important. You don't know the history of so called common problem "Diabetes". Ayurvedic physicians (5th/6th century BC) first noted the sweet taste of diabetic urine, and called the condition madhumeha ("honey urine"). 🐒 Since a couple of 100 years development in Ayurveda has become stagnant. Every treatment plan has its own limitations. Modern diabetes control methods are just a bit more convenient. And diabetes specialists keep on prescribing Ayurvedic methods to their patients for better management of their conditions. Same with Surgery. Sushruta is named as world's first surgeon. Go Google about him. People go to modern surgical medicine because more innovations have happened there. It has come a long way from humble clinic of Sushruta to big OTs. 

Why didn't Ayurveda develop much? 

Lack of funds, lack of interest by communist minded govt, religious appeasement etc. Ayurveda didn't develop is a wrong statement itself. Ayurveda is not a bunch of pills. It's rather an approach is to achieve a more holistic lifestyle. People of old school Ayurveda preached about good food combinations, good food practices, shunning of pepper, onion, garlic from diet. There were people who gave up diery, pepper, onion , garlic n other root related food. Modern medicine labels certain conditions as IBS n IBD. Modern medicine has no cure for IBS n IBD. Ayurvedic practitioners had managed to find right food combinations for Grahani ( IBS n IBD). And modern medicine follows the practice like a puppy. Ever heard of FODMAP? Maybe Google. Ayurveda didn't fail in showing results. It relied on word of mouth by people who got healed. Ayurveda didn't advertise itself much. Thanks to Ramdev ji for reviving that dying art of holistic approach for better health. People go to modern modern medicine for cure of ailments. Normal people can go to methods of Ayurveda for a better disease free life. That's the difference. A real life testimonial by me. My roommate suffered from vertebrae damage in a nasty nasty motorcycle crash. He narrowly avoided the reaper. Then his treatment began. It took 6 months for him to heal on surface level. It took another 6 months for him to finish all the surgical procedures. Docs said he won't be walk with a straight back again, at least not with modern treatment n physiotherapy. He turned towards Yoga. His back is still stiff. He always sit in this straight back position. But he walks, runs n lift weight just fine. A wheelchair bound person walking, running n having happy married life is itself a miracle. Yes, he was not paralysed. There are a ton of such testimonials. And people think that those are pure scams, scandals etc. Real questions should be like, where should be the modern treatment plan used n where should be the traditional methods! Physicians make that call. People read a thing n two and ll start asking questions like how do simple breathing exercise like Yoga reduce the risk of heart disease. Isn't it an excuse to do nothing? Etc etc. Modern medicine is slowly starting to understand the connection between mind and body. And some people ll still keep on asking WH questions. Well some people should. A few people are researchers and some are genuine questioners. Most of them are deniers. But during their ailments they still come to their roots n get benefitted just in a round robin fashion. Sometimes it works is more important than why the hell does it work?

aakashwaani wrote:

*condemned ??

You are right, I used the wrong word (opposite in meaning to what I wanted to say 😂)

+1. Stay away from Herbalife and Amway products. It's a myth that "natural" or "herbal" means harmless. There are plenty of toxic and harmful-to-humans substances in nature just as there are harmful synthetic products and chemicals. Eat wholesome minimally processed food products with proven health benefits and not this crap.

bikidas2060 wrote:

You really need to learn a lot about medicine. 

Yes. And you should as well. More you learn will make you realise how less you know about it. 

Who in the world has claimed that modern medicine has found cures for every disease? 

Where modern medicine failed, people come back to their roots n get help.

You said Ayurveda works just fine. You still didn't say what exactly it works for and how? Where is the study, in how many days does it work? 

depends upon the disease. Now, you will ask how do a simple breathing exercise called Yoga work? The study is out there. Patients n there testimonials are also out there. 

What is the standard dosage per kg human weight? What are the side effects? 

ask a physician for such questions. Side effects can be mild diarrhoea to life threatening conditions.

Maybe you should try yourself. 

I do.  Who does manufacturer it? Lupin life science. And it's prescribed to me by my General Surgeon.  

Let's consider a common problem. How exactly are they going to measure diabetes levels in blood? How about next time you go to an AYUSH doctor and ask him to tell your Diabetes reading with so called "open eyes" and not use any scientific labs? What is big pharma? Pharma is a business just like any other industry. Patanjali makes ₹ 400 crore profit per year. What's your point?

If Pharma makes a big profit then it's ok. If an Ayurvedic meds seller makes a big profit then people have a meltdown. Maybe reading between lines is more important. You don't know the history of so called common problem "Diabetes". Ayurvedic physicians (5th/6th century BC) first noted the sweet taste of diabetic urine, and called the condition madhumeha ("honey urine"). 🐒 Since a couple of 100 years development in Ayurveda has become stagnant. Every treatment plan has its own limitations. Modern diabetes control methods are just a bit more convenient. And diabetes specialists keep on prescribing Ayurvedic methods to their patients for better management of their conditions. Same with Surgery. Sushruta is named as world's first surgeon. Go Google about him. People go to modern surgical medicine because more innovations have happened there. It has come a long way from humble clinic of Sushruta to big OTs. 

Why didn't Ayurveda develop much? 

Lack of funds, lack of interest by communist minded govt, religious appeasement etc. Ayurveda didn't develop is a wrong statement itself. Ayurveda is not a bunch of pills. It's rather an approach is to achieve a more holistic lifestyle. People of old school Ayurveda preached about good food combinations, good food practices, shunning of pepper, onion, garlic from diet. There were people who gave up diery, pepper, onion , garlic n other root related food. Modern medicine labels certain conditions as IBS n IBD. Modern medicine has no cure for IBS n IBD. Ayurvedic practitioners had managed to find right food combinations for Grahani ( IBS n IBD). And modern medicine follows the practice like a puppy. Ever heard of FODMAP? Maybe Google. Ayurveda didn't fail in showing results. It relied on word of mouth by people who got healed. Ayurveda didn't advertise itself much. Thanks to Ramdev ji for reviving that dying art of holistic approach for better health. People go to modern modern medicine for cure of ailments. Normal people can go to methods of Ayurveda for a better disease free life. That's the difference. A real life testimonial by me. My roommate suffered from vertebrae damage in a nasty nasty motorcycle crash. He narrowly avoided the reaper. Then his treatment began. It took 6 months for him to heal on surface level. It took another 6 months for him to finish all the surgical procedures. Docs said he won't be walk with a straight back again, at least not with modern treatment n physiotherapy. He turned towards Yoga. His back is still stiff. He always sit in this straight back position. But he walks, runs n lift weight just fine. A wheelchair bound person walking, running n having happy married life is itself a miracle. Yes, he was not paralysed. There are a ton of such testimonials. And people think that those are pure scams, scandals etc. Real questions should be like, where should be the modern treatment plan used n where should be the traditional methods! Physicians make that call. People read a thing n two and ll start asking questions like how do simple breathing exercise like Yoga reduce the risk of heart disease. Isn't it an excuse to do nothing? Etc etc. Modern medicine is slowly starting to understand the connection between mind and body. And some people ll still keep on asking WH questions. Well some people should. A few people are researchers and some are genuine questioners. Most of them are deniers. But during their ailments they still come to their roots n get benefitted just in a round robin fashion. Sometimes it works is more important than why the hell does it work?

You made a cinematic statement "big pharma profits". I said even Patanjali makes hundreds of crores. Now you are defending why it shouldn't be made! Well that was my point to begin with. There are no saints.

Lupin or Cipla or Kottakkal Arya vaidyashala whoever it is, I'm saying Ayurveda is an untested, unsafe and primitive method. If you are a patient and ask your General Surgeon who recommended you an ayur medicine if there is any evidence. There are some ayur sympathisers unfortunately in medicine field. Then there are some who sell because of kick backs e.g. Liv 52 from Himalaya. Liv 52 is banned in USA but many doc still recommend in India making patients guinea pigs. Use your Google skills or else read this https://www.manipalhospitals.com/blog/indigenou.... This link is not from a Ulu lu website but from one of the top hosps.

You wrote so much but you still couldn't answer a simple question on how you would measure diabetes - by drinking urine or waiting for ants to see if they come for urine? The fact is there is none. "It works" is not an answer. It works to some extent because they mix diabetes tablets in ayur powders. Mix steroids in weight gain powders or for asthma because they know it doesn't work. One day all these fail and then the quacks recommend to consult a real doctor.

My friend, my neighbour got better - People often write these instead of showing evidences. These are exaggerated statements trying hard to convince others. Yoga is an exercise like any other form. If someone got better by exercise that's because his body has supported and over time got healed. There is no magic in it. Doing exercise every day reduces fat, burns calories and helps body. It can keep heart or body healthy. That's about exercise. What does it got specifically with Yoga? Next, are you going to say meditation will give magical powers? Every country has traditional medicine came from 1000s of years ago. No need of chest thumping for it. Humans evolved. Use your Google skills to learn how ayur pills, powders, churna, juices found to contain heavy metals that liver can't filter and illegally mixed with modern med drugs. Good bye.

bdatta1981 wrote:

You are right, I used the wrong word (opposite in meaning to what I wanted to say 😂)

I also only noticed, because.. almost all of my English speaking life (when I thought I knew English).. I have made THE EXACT SAME error.

‎ ‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‏‏

‎ ‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‏‏

‎ ‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‏‏

‎ ‏‏‎‏‏‎

And quite a few other similar mix-ups too (I constantly make).‏‏

LordGane wrote:
You made a cinematic statement "big pharma profits". I said even Patanjali makes hundreds of crores. Now you are defending why it shouldn't be made! Well that was my point to begin with. There are no saints.

Lupin or Cipla or Kottakkal Arya vaidyashala whoever it is, I'm saying Ayurveda is an untested, unsafe and primitive method. If you are a patient and ask your General Surgeon who recommended you an ayur medicine if there is any evidence. There are some ayur sympathisers unfortunately in medicine field. Then there are some who sell because of kick backs e.g. Liv 52 from Himalaya. Liv 52 is banned in USA but many doc still recommend in India making patients guinea pigs. Use your Google skills or else read this https://www.manipalhospitals.com/blog/indigenou.... This link is not from a Ulu lu website but from one of the top hosps.

You wrote so much but you still couldn't answer a simple question on how you would measure diabetes - by drinking urine or waiting for ants to see if they come for urine? The fact is there is none. "It works" is not an answer. It works to some extent because they mix diabetes tablets in ayur powders. Mix steroids in weight gain powders or for asthma because they know it doesn't work. One day all these fail and then the quacks recommend to consult a real doctor.

My friend, my neighbour got better - People often write these instead of showing evidences. These are exaggerated statements trying hard to convince others. Yoga is an exercise like any other form. If someone got better by exercise that's because his body has supported and over time got healed. There is no magic in it. Doing exercise every day reduces fat, burns calories and helps body. It can keep heart or body healthy. That's about exercise. What does it got specifically with Yoga? Next, are you going to say meditation will give magical powers? Every country has traditional medicine came from 1000s of years ago. No need of chest thumping for it. Humans evolved. Use your Google skills to learn how ayur pills, powders, churna, juices found to contain heavy metals that liver can't filter and illegally mixed with modern med drugs. Good bye.

You made a cinematic statement "big pharma profits". I said even Patanjali makes hundreds of crores. Now you are defending why it shouldn't be made! Well that was my point to begin with. There are no saints.
No no people gets burnt to see how the hell Patanjali made so much money. 🐒 Meltdown is real.

Lupin or Cipla or Kottakkal Arya vaidyashala whoever it is, I'm saying Ayurveda is an untested, unsafe and primitive method. If you are a patient and ask your General Surgeon who recommended you an ayur medicine if there is any evidence. There are some ayur sympathisers unfortunately in medicine field.
Honestly speaking. If you had an iota of interest in finding out details you would have actually run that name printed in the label of that box in Google. Ayur sympathizers are out there because they broaden horizon of modern medicine.

Then there are some who sell because of kick backs e.g. Liv 52 from Himalaya. Liv 52 is banned in USA but many doc still recommend in India making patients guinea pigs. Use your Google skills or else read this https://www.manipalhospitals.com/blog/indigenou.... This link is not from a Ulu lu website but from one of the top hosps.

If you had skills n interest you would have searched the thing I had shared. This is for your own enlightenment. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness... This is an article from the one of the baap of hospitals in the entire world. 🐷🤣🐒

You wrote so much but you still couldn't answer a simple question on how you would measure diabetes - by drinking urine or waiting for ants to see if they come for urine? The fact is there is none. "It works" is not an answer. It works to some extent because they mix diabetes tablets in ayur powders. Mix steroids in weight gain powders or for asthma because they know it doesn't work. One day all these fail and then the quacks recommend to consult a real doctor.
Quacks. Bold claim. You had an entire wikipedia page and a proper explanation and you keep on going on the same round robin fashion.

My friend, my neighbour got better - People often write these instead of showing evidences. These are exaggerated statements trying hard to convince others. 
Ohhh. Now you expect them to drop their pants and shirts n show you their ailments. If I said I myself have gotten benefits then also it won't be enough for you.

Yoga is an exercise like any other form. 
Oh. Exercising by sitting in the corner, just breathing and doing nothing. Niceee.

If someone got better by exercise that's because his body has supported and over time got healed. There is no magic in it. 
Modern medicine failed there naa. 🤣 Ohh that's quite normal.

Doing exercise every day reduces fat, burns calories and helps body. It can keep heart or body healthy. That's about exercise. What does it got specifically with Yoga? 
Best of luck fixing a person who can't even stand properly by asking them to hit gym. 😉😜

Next, are you going to say meditation will give magical powers? Every country has traditional medicine came from 1000s of years ago. No need of chest thumping for it.
Oh. Let's just say, "How deeply we are ashamed for our 1000 year of history". Let's cover our faces with burqa n stuff n walk the path of shame. Niceee. You do that. If there is something good happened and if it still works then I and my friends will thump our chests. @Gulag-Survivor @kartikxxx @playdime @BubbleBoyChickenLittle @Wander-lust @shri5027 @badkarma @cancob @Loaferg

Humans evolved. Use your Google skills to learn how ayur pills, powders, churna, juices found to contain heavy metals that liver can't filter and illegally mixed with modern med drugs. Good bye.Humans evolved along with their level of stupidity. Some will use theit Googling skills to improve their knowledge. They will search thoroughly for any misrepresentations of facts and figures. And there will be well enclosed frogs, who would like to thicken their wall of ignorance. There will be people who ll run after quacks like Biswaroop Roy Choudhuries and there will be people who ll actually find facts and figures. There were books in the early days and there are online portals for such things these days. There is no point in shining a candle in the path of a wannabe blind. 

Good bye/buy? 🤣🤣🤣 Don't bother to comment anymore. But I bet there will be further comments because you will be here to give your rebuttal. Some people always get ready for such things. 🙂 I will entertain it. 

Cannot write long as don't want to waste energy on who don't want to understand. Ayurveda and Allopathic are different . Ayurveda works mainly on Tridosha 🔜 vat , kapha and pith. It tries to treat the root cause . Yes it don't bother much on germs bacteria fungus virus etc because it believes they are plenty in environment , and your body and unavoidable and you should built immunity to defend them. It is not like taking pain killer or morphine for every pain. Allopathic mostly only decrease the problem for some time . There is no cure for Diabetes , Blood pressure , Common cold , flu ,viral , cancer anything in allopathy . They just delay it. Ayurvedic mixtures or any sold online or by marketing agencies for nonsense reasons are very harmful and yes they are many times mixed only for money . Stay away. Only Ayurvedic doctors consult and take. every person has different treatment

Our Grand parents .great grand parents only had ayurveda and every house in india knew normal herbs and medicines for normal problems. Ayurveda is science thousands of years old tried and tested . It is totally different .
Daru peene wale ko doodh pilaoge toh hazam nahi hoga .
Same is with ayurved We have pushed ourself in allopathy so much with otc medicines and steroids and what not that ayurveda seems not working

bikidas2060 wrote:
You made a cinematic statement "big pharma profits". I said even Patanjali makes hundreds of crores. Now you are defending why it shouldn't be made! Well that was my point to begin with. There are no saints.
No no people gets burnt to see how the hell Patanjali made so much money. 🐒 Meltdown is real.

Lupin or Cipla or Kottakkal Arya vaidyashala whoever it is, I'm saying Ayurveda is an untested, unsafe and primitive method. If you are a patient and ask your General Surgeon who recommended you an ayur medicine if there is any evidence. There are some ayur sympathisers unfortunately in medicine field.
Honestly speaking. If you had an iota of interest in finding out details you would have actually run that name printed in the label of that box in Google. Ayur sympathizers are out there because they broaden horizon of modern medicine.

Then there are some who sell because of kick backs e.g. Liv 52 from Himalaya. Liv 52 is banned in USA but many doc still recommend in India making patients guinea pigs. Use your Google skills or else read this https://www.manipalhospitals.com/blog/indigenou.... This link is not from a Ulu lu website but from one of the top hosps.

If you had skills n interest you would have searched the thing I had shared. This is for your own enlightenment. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness... This is an article from the one of the baap of hospitals in the entire world. 🐷🤣🐒

You wrote so much but you still couldn't answer a simple question on how you would measure diabetes - by drinking urine or waiting for ants to see if they come for urine? The fact is there is none. "It works" is not an answer. It works to some extent because they mix diabetes tablets in ayur powders. Mix steroids in weight gain powders or for asthma because they know it doesn't work. One day all these fail and then the quacks recommend to consult a real doctor.
Quacks. Bold claim. You had an entire wikipedia page and a proper explanation and you keep on going on the same round robin fashion.

My friend, my neighbour got better - People often write these instead of showing evidences. These are exaggerated statements trying hard to convince others. 
Ohhh. Now you expect them to drop their pants and shirts n show you their ailments. If I said I myself have gotten benefits then also it won't be enough for you.

Yoga is an exercise like any other form. 
Oh. Exercising by sitting in the corner, just breathing and doing nothing. Niceee.

If someone got better by exercise that's because his body has supported and over time got healed. There is no magic in it. 
Modern medicine failed there naa. 🤣 Ohh that's quite normal.

Doing exercise every day reduces fat, burns calories and helps body. It can keep heart or body healthy. That's about exercise. What does it got specifically with Yoga? 
Best of luck fixing a person who can't even stand properly by asking them to hit gym. 😉😜

Next, are you going to say meditation will give magical powers? Every country has traditional medicine came from 1000s of years ago. No need of chest thumping for it.
Oh. Let's just say, "How deeply we are ashamed for our 1000 year of history". Let's cover our faces with burqa n stuff n walk the path of shame. Niceee. You do that. If there is something good happened and if it still works then I and my friends will thump our chests. @Gulag-Survivor @kartikxxx @playdime @BubbleBoyChickenLittle @Wander-lust @shri5027 @badkarma @cancob @Loaferg

Humans evolved. Use your Google skills to learn how ayur pills, powders, churna, juices found to contain heavy metals that liver can't filter and illegally mixed with modern med drugs. Good bye.Humans evolved along with their level of stupidity. Some will use theit Googling skills to improve their knowledge. They will search thoroughly for any misrepresentations of facts and figures. And there will be well enclosed frogs, who would like to thicken their wall of ignorance. There will be people who ll run after quacks like Biswaroop Roy Choudhuries and there will be people who ll actually find facts and figures. There were books in the early days and there are online portals for such things these days. There is no point in shining a candle in the path of a wannabe blind. 

Good bye/buy? 🤣🤣🤣 Don't bother to comment anymore. But I bet there will be further comments because you will be here to give your rebuttal. Some people always get ready for such things. 🙂 I will entertain it. 

That website links is true reflection of your peanut brain. Everyone knows fibre in diet helps constipation even that was found by science. How is it even related to Ayurveda?  You have to try very hard to link everything to Ayurveda because the system is nonsense.  You need to Google a lot to defend yourself. I don't know why you write paras and paras unrelated stuff simply copied from Google. From Ayurveda to yoga, now down to food. Are you going to say next Carrot has Vitamin A and link it to Ayurveda? But wait, Ayurveda has no concept of vitamins either so you can keep sulking. Your whole paras has nonsense written all over not a bit of science or evidence that's the reason I wanted to refrain. You can tag a bunch of your friends  to support you because the more you go towards scientific reasoning the more you realises that Ayurveda is a quackery. I don't need it. I have already destroyed your ignorance with proven science but you keep bringing unrelated stuff or call everything is  Ayurveda like a kid 🤦‍♂️.

bikidas2060 wrote:

You really need to learn a lot about medicine. 

Yes. And you should as well. More you learn will make you realise how less you know about it. 

Who in the world has claimed that modern medicine has found cures for every disease? 

Where modern medicine failed, people come back to their roots n get help.

You said Ayurveda works just fine. You still didn't say what exactly it works for and how? Where is the study, in how many days does it work? 

depends upon the disease. Now, you will ask how do a simple breathing exercise called Yoga work? The study is out there. Patients n there testimonials are also out there. 

What is the standard dosage per kg human weight? What are the side effects? 

ask a physician for such questions. Side effects can be mild diarrhoea to life threatening conditions.

Maybe you should try yourself. 

I do.  Who does manufacturer it? Lupin life science. And it's prescribed to me by my General Surgeon.  

Let's consider a common problem. How exactly are they going to measure diabetes levels in blood? How about next time you go to an AYUSH doctor and ask him to tell your Diabetes reading with so called "open eyes" and not use any scientific labs? What is big pharma? Pharma is a business just like any other industry. Patanjali makes ₹ 400 crore profit per year. What's your point?

If Pharma makes a big profit then it's ok. If an Ayurvedic meds seller makes a big profit then people have a meltdown. Maybe reading between lines is more important. You don't know the history of so called common problem "Diabetes". Ayurvedic physicians (5th/6th century BC) first noted the sweet taste of diabetic urine, and called the condition madhumeha ("honey urine"). 🐒 Since a couple of 100 years development in Ayurveda has become stagnant. Every treatment plan has its own limitations. Modern diabetes control methods are just a bit more convenient. And diabetes specialists keep on prescribing Ayurvedic methods to their patients for better management of their conditions. Same with Surgery. Sushruta is named as world's first surgeon. Go Google about him. People go to modern surgical medicine because more innovations have happened there. It has come a long way from humble clinic of Sushruta to big OTs. 

Why didn't Ayurveda develop much? 

Lack of funds, lack of interest by communist minded govt, religious appeasement etc. Ayurveda didn't develop is a wrong statement itself. Ayurveda is not a bunch of pills. It's rather an approach is to achieve a more holistic lifestyle. People of old school Ayurveda preached about good food combinations, good food practices, shunning of pepper, onion, garlic from diet. There were people who gave up diery, pepper, onion , garlic n other root related food. Modern medicine labels certain conditions as IBS n IBD. Modern medicine has no cure for IBS n IBD. Ayurvedic practitioners had managed to find right food combinations for Grahani ( IBS n IBD). And modern medicine follows the practice like a puppy. Ever heard of FODMAP? Maybe Google. Ayurveda didn't fail in showing results. It relied on word of mouth by people who got healed. Ayurveda didn't advertise itself much. Thanks to Ramdev ji for reviving that dying art of holistic approach for better health. People go to modern modern medicine for cure of ailments. Normal people can go to methods of Ayurveda for a better disease free life. That's the difference. A real life testimonial by me. My roommate suffered from vertebrae damage in a nasty nasty motorcycle crash. He narrowly avoided the reaper. Then his treatment began. It took 6 months for him to heal on surface level. It took another 6 months for him to finish all the surgical procedures. Docs said he won't be walk with a straight back again, at least not with modern treatment n physiotherapy. He turned towards Yoga. His back is still stiff. He always sit in this straight back position. But he walks, runs n lift weight just fine. A wheelchair bound person walking, running n having happy married life is itself a miracle. Yes, he was not paralysed. There are a ton of such testimonials. And people think that those are pure scams, scandals etc. Real questions should be like, where should be the modern treatment plan used n where should be the traditional methods! Physicians make that call. People read a thing n two and ll start asking questions like how do simple breathing exercise like Yoga reduce the risk of heart disease. Isn't it an excuse to do nothing? Etc etc. Modern medicine is slowly starting to understand the connection between mind and body. And some people ll still keep on asking WH questions. Well some people should. A few people are researchers and some are genuine questioners. Most of them are deniers. But during their ailments they still come to their roots n get benefitted just in a round robin fashion. Sometimes it works is more important than why the hell does it work?

Bro how is softolax sf? Is it good at medicine for people who have gas problems? One of my family member has gas problem and because of that he is getting headache once in a week.

chota_chattri wrote:

Bro how is softolax sf? Is it good at medicine for people who have gas problems? One of my family member has gas problem and because of that he is getting headache once in a week.

No no. It is for constipation, bhai. Gas problem can be caused by many things. And one has to be a bit cautious with Psyllum husk based things. They can cause blockage too. So, bhai if doc prescribes it to have it then only take it. Otherwise, it will be rather useful to change diet habit etc. 🙂🙂🙂

Loaferg wrote:
Our Grand parents .great grand parents only had ayurveda and every house in india knew normal herbs and medicines for normal problems. Ayurveda is science thousands of years old tried and tested . It is totally different .
Daru peene wale ko doodh pilaoge toh hazam nahi hoga .
Same is with ayurved We have pushed ourself in allopathy so much with otc medicines and steroids and what not that ayurveda seems not working

The average life expectancy was not even half in those days. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india...

Herbalife products are very helpful if someone wants to damage their liver & overall health and money.

The debate between Ayurveda & modern medicine is useless so I don't want to argue with anyone.  But few points from my knowledge & experience

1. Being natural DOESNOT means healthy or safe at all. Tobacco, charas, ganja, dhatura, snake poison, bacterias, fungi, viruses - all are natural.
2. Chemicals don't mean unsafe/ harmful. Ultimately everything is a type of chemical. Water, soil, oxygen - all are chemicals & are essential for life.
3. If something is 1000s yrs old, doesn't mean it is good for everything. There are good effects of many herbs...some are good for general minor issues but hardly any can actually treat a proper medical condition. 

Coincidence is not treatment.
In dengue, platelets will increase on their own for most people. Papaya does nothing. You can eat chocolate & say it increased ur platelets....it's like that.
There are many such examples of self limiting diseases where undue credit has been given to something or the other, and unfortunately many modern med doctors also do that.

Ajwain & saunf help in minor digestion issues but it can't treat GERD or any actual gastro condition.
Haldi has proven anti-inflammatory action but the amount required is much much more than what any sane person can consume. Normal amount we already use daily in kitchen but still all get diseases.

4. Anything that you consume can have adverse effects. Modern medicines r tested for those & that information abt side effects of every medicine is openly available and doctors take those into consideration when prescribing.
Whereas for herbals, most claim that they don't hv any side effects which is totally FALSE and nobody knows unless one suffers....there r numerous such people who hv suffered & even died.

5. People say that patients go to holistic bec modern med can't treat so many things. EXACTLY that is the reality. When people face any significant medical issue, they know modern medicine can only handle that & they go there (even the ramdev baba, balkrishna, all those top politicians who talk so much of culture/ tradition, etc. go to multispeciality hospitals like medanta/ aiims) but the doctors r honest about it & when they don't hv any proven treatment, they tell it clearly.
So when there's nothing possible, people are like let's try ayurveda/ homeopathy, etc. Sometimes for some people  they work by chance and the credit goes there.
There are so many practitioners of alternate medicine who claim to hv cured incurable diseases but they will never publish any data of PERCENTAGE of people actually got cured out of those who took the treatment.

6. Those who like ramdev, should know (actually most already know but live in denial) that most of his products hv failed quality tests so many times. He sold coronil & made huge money but he showed data on only mild cases & to them also they gave paracetamol. That's so much for ayurveda!
Even the people from govt who advertised & launched coronil, they got admitted at medanta for Covid & took proper medical treatment.
The main saint from Ayodhya who got covid after kumbh who didn't survive, he was also treated at medanta, whereas rishikesh ashram was much closer than gurgaon. Why didn't any of those took Ayurveda treatment?
Any answers? Think about these things which are happening in front of ur eyes daily!

7. Life expectancy was around 35 yrs during independence when mostly ayurveda was in practice & even lower long back, which is now so much high. Though I believe in quality of lie over quantity!

8. Those who CLAIM to be so respectful of ayurveda, most of them never consult any ayurvedic practitioner & just go buy stuff from shelves. Does that mean those practitioners are useless or is ur faith in their practice just fake?

9. Diabetes - modern medicine is honest and says that it can't be treated because that's reality. But we also know & say that with good lifestyle and proper treatment, it can be very well managed and medicines can be reduced over time & may be stopped for selected patients. That's much real and honest than claiming that it is reversible, which is being done by alt med.& so many people then land up in complications.

I am a modern medicine doctor and a cancer survivor. I know 1000s of people who went for alternate treatment for their cancers & not even one person got any results. Though there are many who took proper chemo, radiation & even got surgeries, and side by side or later on took some alternate treatment and now they claim to have got treated naturally!
Most such people are now either selling deceiving cures or wellness programs or products to the gullible desperate cancer patients.

FINALLY, I don't care what anyone does or says but I know how much people are suffering due to such things. 
Everyone here can read and make their informed decisions. Do that.
Try reading about diseases, possible complications of not getting proper treatment, ask the alternate med practitioners or promoters abt the mechanism of action & side effects & actual percentage of people cured out of those who took the treatment, and also ask the other people who you personally know are taking the treatment.
Don't chose treatment on the basis of how old is the concept or in relation to so called nationalism or traditions, etc.

After all it's your life, and your decisions, but make informed decisions.
Have a great health!

Loved it man. So intellectually Written.

Thanks for sharing such points. KG+

Kapalbhati 😄

Kapalbhati

Medical concerns have been raised about Ramdev's promotion of Kapalbhati as a "cure-all". Ramdev made controversial claims that, "the problem of heart blockage can be overcome by doing Kapalbhati daily in the morning and evening," and that the practice of pranayamas, including kapalbhati, regulates blood pressure, cures heart related problems, and eradicates all communicable and non-communicable diseases.[118] On the contrary, cardiologists repeatedly cautioned patients with heart disease and high blood pressure against practicing kapalbhati and bhastrika since they can exacerbate the problem.[119][120] The Asian Heart Institute (AHI) found a correlation between heart ailments and certain types of Kapalbhati practice.[121] Kapalbhati can also be dangerous for people suffering from a hernia.[122][120]

B.K.S. Iyengar has criticised Ramdev for corrupting Maharishi Patanjali's Yoga with the promotion of programmes like kapalbhati.[123] According to Iyengar, the Yog Sutras of Patanjali do not mention Kapalbhati or Bhastrika.[124] He warns about the dangers of Ramdev "selling Kapalbhati" as "a shortcut" in the "TV-yoga craze".[121] Other Yoga experts have warned that reckless practice of Kapalbhati can make a person seriously ill.[121]

I was just browsing their Wikipedia page and came across this.

sherlock wrote:
Loved it man. So intellectually Written.

Thanks for sharing such points. KG+

Thank you very much! 😊🙏🏻

The problem is not Ayurveda but its promoters who are deceiving people and making huge amounts of unethical money and using emotions & religion for their business.

I haven't read original Ayurveda texts but I don't think they claimed to treat cancers or such things which were not even known at that time!
It must have been good for that time but now things are different and one should adapt with time, like we do for every other thing.
'Sati' practice was 1000s of yrs old but does that make it legit?
Numerous such examples.

batguy143 wrote:

Herbalife products are very helpful if someone wants to damage their liver & overall health and money.

The debate between Ayurveda & modern medicine is useless so I don't want to argue with anyone.  But few points from my knowledge & experience

1. Being natural DOESNOT means healthy or safe at all. Tobacco, charas, ganja, dhatura, snake poison, bacterias, fungi, viruses - all are natural.
2. Chemicals don't mean unsafe/ harmful. Ultimately everything is a type of chemical. Water, soil, oxygen - all are chemicals & are essential for life.
3. If something is 1000s yrs old, doesn't mean it is good for everything. There are good effects of many herbs...some are good for general minor issues but hardly any can actually treat a proper medical condition. 

Coincidence is not treatment.
In dengue, platelets will increase on their own for most people. Papaya does nothing. You can eat chocolate & say it increased ur platelets....it's like that.
There are many such examples of self limiting diseases where undue credit has been given to something or the other, and unfortunately many modern med doctors also do that.

Ajwain & saunf help in minor digestion issues but it can't treat GERD or any actual gastro condition.
Haldi has proven anti-inflammatory action but the amount required is much much more than what any sane person can consume. Normal amount we already use daily in kitchen but still all get diseases.

4. Anything that you consume can have adverse effects. Modern medicines r tested for those & that information abt side effects of every medicine is openly available and doctors take those into consideration when prescribing.
Whereas for herbals, most claim that they don't hv any side effects which is totally FALSE and nobody knows unless one suffers....there r numerous such people who hv suffered & even died.

5. People say that patients go to holistic bec modern med can't treat so many things. EXACTLY that is the reality. When people face any significant medical issue, they know modern medicine can only handle that & they go there (even the ramdev baba, balkrishna, all those top politicians who talk so much of culture/ tradition, etc. go to multispeciality hospitals like medanta/ aiims) but the doctors r honest about it & when they don't hv any proven treatment, they tell it clearly.
So when there's nothing possible, people are like let's try ayurveda/ homeopathy, etc. Sometimes for some people  they work by chance and the credit goes there.
There are so many practitioners of alternate medicine who claim to hv cured incurable diseases but they will never publish any data of PERCENTAGE of people actually got cured out of those who took the treatment.

6. Those who like ramdev, should know (actually most already know but live in denial) that most of his products hv failed quality tests so many times. He sold coronil & made huge money but he showed data on only mild cases & to them also they gave paracetamol. That's so much for ayurveda!
Even the people from govt who advertised & launched coronil, they got admitted at medanta for Covid & took proper medical treatment.
The main saint from Ayodhya who got covid after kumbh who didn't survive, he was also treated at medanta, whereas rishikesh ashram was much closer than gurgaon. Why didn't any of those took Ayurveda treatment?
Any answers? Think about these things which are happening in front of ur eyes daily!

7. Life expectancy was around 35 yrs during independence when mostly ayurveda was in practice & even lower long back, which is now so much high. Though I believe in quality of lie over quantity!

8. Those who CLAIM to be so respectful of ayurveda, most of them never consult any ayurvedic practitioner & just go buy stuff from shelves. Does that mean those practitioners are useless or is ur faith in their practice just fake?

9. Diabetes - modern medicine is honest and says that it can't be treated because that's reality. But we also know & say that with good lifestyle and proper treatment, it can be very well managed and medicines can be reduced over time & may be stopped for selected patients. That's much real and honest than claiming that it is reversible, which is being done by alt med.& so many people then land up in complications.

I am a modern medicine doctor and a cancer survivor. I know 1000s of people who went for alternate treatment for their cancers & not even one person got any results. Though there are many who took proper chemo, radiation & even got surgeries, and side by side or later on took some alternate treatment and now they claim to have got treated naturally!
Most such people are now either selling deceiving cures or wellness programs or products to the gullible desperate cancer patients.

FINALLY, I don't care what anyone does or says but I know how much people are suffering due to such things. 
Everyone here can read and make their informed decisions. Do that.
Try reading about diseases, possible complications of not getting proper treatment, ask the alternate med practitioners or promoters abt the mechanism of action & side effects & actual percentage of people cured out of those who took the treatment, and also ask the other people who you personally know are taking the treatment.
Don't chose treatment on the basis of how old is the concept or in relation to so called nationalism or traditions, etc.

After all it's your life, and your decisions, but make informed decisions.
Have a great health!

Thanks for taking the time ⏰ and effort 💪🏻 for writing ✍️ this brother.

30 Karma 🛐✝️ given 🙏🏻