Who is more trusted partner of India. (I Know we need to be self-reliant but what's your opinion, Who country is India's true friend ?
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Who is more trusted partner of India. USA or Russia ? What's your Opinion ?

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Who is more trusted partner of India. USA or Russia ? What’s your Opinion ?
America -
“Americans First”: Biden Administration declines India’s request for sending Covid Vaccine Raw Material.
Note – USA having a Vaccine stock of 3 times its population size.
Russia -
Russia offers Oxygen and Remdesivir to India. Russia also ready to setup Oxygen plant in India.
European Union -
European Union expresses solidarity with India in fight against Covid-19.
UK -
“We’re looking at what we can do to help and support the people of India,” Johnson told British media on Friday, describing India as a great partner and explaining that the help could include providing ventilators or therapeutics.
Germany -
Indian Air Force to Fly in 23 Oxygen Plants from Germany.
France -
French President Macron offers to support India.
“I want to send a message of solidarity to the Indian people, facing a resurgence of COVID-19 cases. France is with you in this struggle, which spares no-one. We stand ready to provide our support,” Mr. Macron said.

Personally i dnt like US foreign policy. Former US Secretary of State said “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”. If we look at our history, Russia always helped us. Indo – US relations are based on Situation But Indo – Russians relations are based on Emotions. What’s your Opinion ? Who is more trusted partner of India. USA or Russia ?
Note – Please dnt change my subject to our internal political topic. Today BJP in power, tomorrow Congress will come but the main question is who is true allies of India ? USA or Russia ? Friendship is not about strategic partnership, it is about humanity and goodwill. Russia proved them correct.

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India sends 22.9 mn doses of Covid-19 vaccines to 20 countries, more in pipeline
Priority to vaccinate Americans first, says US on export ban on vaccine raw materials

The Question should be..
Which country is considering their people as their priority rather than seeking other benefits ?

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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Russia is our oldest ally

FYI USA was never our friend , they were a ally to Pakistan

Mobile Guru Mobile Guru
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A timeline of select events from the past 12 months

April 5, 2020
US – 370000 +ve cases & 11K deaths
India – 3981 +ve/active cases & 114 deaths

India bans all exports of Trump’s ‘game changer’ COVID-19 drug hydroxychloroquine
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-bans-...
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April 7,2020
Hydroxychloroquine: India agrees to release drug after Trump retaliation threat
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52...30
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Feb, 2021
Biden invokes DPA (+ ban on raw materials exports) to ramp up vaccine production
https://www.reuters.com/article/instant-article...
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April 16, 2021
Poonawalla has reportedly said the restrictions have halved the number of doses of Covovax that SII can stockpile. SII had earlier said the restrictions would not affect its current production of Covishield, but “may” impact “the scaling up of Covishield’s future capacity”.
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/us-...
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April 20, 2021
Centre allows ‘vaccine for all’, those above 18 to get Covid shots from May 1
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/those-above-18-...
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April 22,2021
India had exported 66 million doses to 94 countries as of April 22.
About 55 million of these were sent out as part of contract with the COVAX alliance and as a direct sale to foreign countries.
And we stopped exporting these vaccines only during the last week of march, 2021

Note:
First Phase of Vaccination Drive – Jan 16 (HCP*)
Second Phase – Mar 1 (45+* & 60+)
Third Phase – April 1 (45+)
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Now suddenly the govt & SII (world’s largest vaccine manufacturer.. thanks to collab with WHO) realised that there is a desperate need to ramp up the vaccine production
Why? What are the alternatives they’ve considered for raw materials (when needed*) in these 2 months?
Is it because, the master announced vaccination for all 18+ from May 1 as part of promotional campaign?
or because there’s a need to vaccinate an entire state (or two).. owing to prior commitments ?
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Finally, how to divert the public attention from the Govt’s inability to foresee the second wave crisis?
Ramping up the production capacity much before?
& the Oxygen/hospital bed shortage?

Blame the people & find a temp scapegoat like US.. just like pakistan and china were! .. to keep the public & newsrooms busy!

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Russia… wahan se Sputnik V aarahi hai… 😍🥰😘

Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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On long term and overall aspects india will benefit more from US ties

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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No one can take benefits from US, not even Pentagon members.

Mobile Guru Mobile Guru
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India sends 22.9 mn doses of Covid-19 vaccines to 20 countries, more in pipeline
Priority to vaccinate Americans first, says US on export ban on vaccine raw materials

The Question should be..
Which country is considering their people as their priority rather than seeking other benefits ?

Finance Ninja Finance Ninja
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Spider-man ka uncle bola tha - “With great power there must also come great responsibility”—or simply “With great power comes great responsibility”. smile

India is the world’s largest provider of generic drugs and biggest vaccine exporter.

India sell medicines and vaccines at just Rs2 to Rs200 in African and Small Asian Countries. The same medicine and vaccines US companies sell between $100 to $500 in African market.

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Sale Day King Sale Day King
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Friendship is not about strategic partnerships but it is about humanity!!
And USA is failed to do so.

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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Russia is our oldest ally

FYI USA was never our friend , they were a ally to Pakistan

Generous Generous
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None , india best friend is india , atmanirbhar bharat

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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Yes just like palm is our best friend before marriage wink

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Deal Lieutenant Deal Lieutenant
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Even Pakistan based trust has offered ambulance fleet to India. I am not shocked about America’s stance though. Their President is thinking only about his citizens. Wish our Govt also thought only about us and stocked enough vaccines.

Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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USA and Russia wants to sell their Arms in India as it is their business Bith seeing India as Customer and Hence US always support Pakistab so that India gets indulged in Border Issue and about Russia I don’t know.

Deal Captain Deal Captain
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Russia as I like Russia

Critic Critic
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Russia helped us because it was in their interests, rest assured if there ever comes a situation where Russia has to choose between India & China then it will certainly choose China over India(already done so in the context of opposing Indo-Pacific concept).

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Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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No-one can be friend with US. Trump threatened India during HCQ even after recent Namaste Trump event.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/h...

Current government has somehow damaged our friendly relationship with Russia (in hope of better relationship with US)

Finance Ninja Finance Ninja
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Yes, “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”.

Mobile Guru Mobile Guru
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A timeline of select events from the past 12 months

April 5, 2020
US – 370000 +ve cases & 11K deaths
India – 3981 +ve/active cases & 114 deaths

India bans all exports of Trump’s ‘game changer’ COVID-19 drug hydroxychloroquine
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-bans-...
_
April 7,2020
Hydroxychloroquine: India agrees to release drug after Trump retaliation threat
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52...30
_
Feb, 2021
Biden invokes DPA (+ ban on raw materials exports) to ramp up vaccine production
https://www.reuters.com/article/instant-article...
_
April 16, 2021
Poonawalla has reportedly said the restrictions have halved the number of doses of Covovax that SII can stockpile. SII had earlier said the restrictions would not affect its current production of Covishield, but “may” impact “the scaling up of Covishield’s future capacity”.
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/us-...
_
April 20, 2021
Centre allows ‘vaccine for all’, those above 18 to get Covid shots from May 1
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/those-above-18-...
_
April 22,2021
India had exported 66 million doses to 94 countries as of April 22.
About 55 million of these were sent out as part of contract with the COVAX alliance and as a direct sale to foreign countries.
And we stopped exporting these vaccines only during the last week of march, 2021

Note:
First Phase of Vaccination Drive – Jan 16 (HCP*)
Second Phase – Mar 1 (45+* & 60+)
Third Phase – April 1 (45+)
_
Now suddenly the govt & SII (world’s largest vaccine manufacturer.. thanks to collab with WHO) realised that there is a desperate need to ramp up the vaccine production
Why? What are the alternatives they’ve considered for raw materials (when needed*) in these 2 months?
Is it because, the master announced vaccination for all 18+ from May 1 as part of promotional campaign?
or because there’s a need to vaccinate an entire state (or two).. owing to prior commitments ?
_
Finally, how to divert the public attention from the Govt’s inability to foresee the second wave crisis?
Ramping up the production capacity much before?
& the Oxygen/hospital bed shortage?

Blame the people & find a temp scapegoat like US.. just like pakistan and china were! .. to keep the public & newsrooms busy!

Mobile Guru Mobile Guru
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History Repeats
& again within 2-days (No Threat though.. this time around) smile
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April 26, 2021
Will Send Raw Material “Urgently Required” For Covishield, Says US
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The United States will “immediately” make available sources of raw materials required to scale up production of the Covishield coronavirus vaccine – of which there is a critical shortage as India fights daily new cases of over three lakh and an active caseload of nearly 27 lakh.
https://twitter.com/JakeSullivan46/status/13863...

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Our hearts go out to Indian people in the midst of the horrific COVID outbreak. We’re working closely with our partners in the Indian govt, and we’ll rapidly deploy additional support to the people of India & India’s healthcare heroes: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken (ANI)

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Saudi Arabia sending 80 MT liquid oxygen to India via Adani Group

Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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nobody is ‘friend’ man.
that too countries, no way!
they ultimately look at their own strategic or economic interests
or if it is a dictatorial regime, then personal whims of the monarch or dictator.

be it Russia or House of Saud
or even
big bad USA



partnership of convenience friendship
the favours the countries give each other, earn them direct benefits or brownie points (indirect benefits).

Benevolent Benevolent
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One thing I know about real world is :
It’s a pretty mean World.
Nobody gives a damn about others unless there’s any self motive.

Although best is when motives are mutual.

Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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Both Russia and US has hugh Interest in India to sell their arms so this will continue as long as their interest is served .

Finance Ninja Finance Ninja
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USSR/Russia has helped India a lot.

I already said " Indo – US relations are based on Situation But Indo – Russians relations are based on Emotions."

Space Co-operation -

Historically, there has been a long history of cooperation between the Soviet Union and India in space. Examples include Aryabhata it was India’s first satellite.

India and Russia have both signed agreements for the cooperation and use of GLONASS (Russian GPS).

Till now, Rakesh Sharma became the only Indian to travel to space when he flew on board Soviet rocket Soyuz T-11 launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic.

https://cdn0.desidime.com/attachments/photos/680673/medium/7576357xGxrwEL.jpg?1619346882

Gaganyaan mission – India’s first manned space mission, have completed their training in Russia.

Russia was also ready to transfer of technology to build Cryogenic rocket engine for GSLV but because of American pressure, Russia could not help us.

27 March 2019, USA cancel our NISSAR project (NASA-ISRO SAR Mission (NISAR)) because we tested an anti-satellite weapon (Mission Shakti), later USA again rejoin to continue our NISSAR project.

Cooperation in the cultural sphere -

Indo–Russian relations in the field of culture are historical. One of the first Russian visitors to India was Afanasiy Nikitin a merchant from Tver in Russia. His famous journey (1466-1472) was documented in the book A Journey Beyond the Three Seas. Nikitin spent three years in India (1469-1472) travelling to its many regions and documenting its people, culture, economy, technology, history, society and food. Nikitin’s journey was portrayed by Soviet actor Oleg Strizhenov alongside Hindi screen legend Nargis Dutt in the 1950s film Journey Beyond Three Seas.

Traditionally, there has been strong collaboration in the field of cinema between India and the USSR. Several generations of Russians grew up watching subtitled Indian films (mainly Bollywood) and vice versa for Indians watching Russian films. However, after the collapse of the USSR Bollywood’s market share decreased in Russia. Recently, however, there has been increase due to viewers having access through cable and satellite channels. “Russia and India are the only countries where satellite channels broadcast Indian movies 24/7.”

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That’s also a separate matter → China is in a position where it is today largely due to USA especially Nixon. Take the US corporations, & much of western European ones, out of their growth phase & they’d be worse off than Vietnam today! India was largely aligned to USSR for most of the cold war & of course “Nehruvian” token socialism so that’s why it took us so long to get to this position today → in comparison Pak was much ahead, in part because it was on US’ side, even as late as the 1990’s. Bottom line China was at the right place & the right time, what they did with the JV route & stealing tech was something which I don’t personally agree with but can see the results there. It’s their “us vs them” mentality which has led them there, I doubt India can compete with that because there’s an effin debate on everything in this country from vaccines to fighting China rolleyes

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you are confusing yourself, reverse engineering is nakal nowadays. How are you going to copy google search engine code to chinese without reverse engineering first. Let me explain in your example. ABCD ko reverse engineer karoge pehle aur phir apni language kay equivalent sey replace karoge toh jahan CAT hota hai wahan tum hindi mein कअट likh kar kaam chala liye. Reverse enginnering yahan par hogi C kaa matlub क A kaa matlab अ aut T kaa matlub ट find out karna. Lekin aisee reverse engineering karkay tum Shakespere kaa hindi equivalent kabhi nahi create kar paaoge jiskay binaa tumahri language kabhi uss height par nahi pahunchegi jahan english hai. Uskay liye tumhein hindi mein yaa english mein second shakespere create karna hoga jiska english ki reverse engineering sey koi lena dena nahi. Same concept with programming language, I know basic stuff about reverse engineering of certain simple programs & I can tell you that a majority of reverse engineers in software can not write a new creative software themselves, the best they can do is reverse engineer & create a copy cat version with similar features with a few extra bells & whistles but never something innovative worth copying/reverse engineering.

Anyway I don’t think you will change your view so no need to stretch this, just wait for few years to see Russia staying out of India China conflict & everything will be clear then.

Finance Ninja Finance Ninja
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ok, you won the match. grinning stuck_out_tongue

Generous Generous
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muddo se bhatkane ke liye sai discussion h.
why india need help when it can spend on 20k crore parliament in times of crisis?

Finance Ninja Finance Ninja
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Yaha “Foreign relations of India” ki baat ho raha ha.

Inshort “external politics” ki baat ho raha ha, “internal politics” ki nhi.

dono me jamin asmaan ka fark ha. smile

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My answer will be, India is India’s most trusted partner. For years US has suppressed India, check Pokhran issue, some other issue etc. Russia helps India because India has imbibed socialistic properties in her.

So, what did exactly go wrong?
In 1947, entire country came together. In 1948 and onwards apparently leaders of this country failed her.

How?
Gandhi had a particular good quality. He promoted cottage industries. After independence, leaders of India moved towards industries n machines, which is great. But our poor villagers have lost their livelihood.

Industries became owned by Govt. For years employees of those industries, so called PSUs, reaped benefits without fearing attrition. Industries don’t work like that. But socialist Govts did, what other Govts did/do. They took profit from one company n revived the other. Long story short research n innovation took back seat. The reason lies behind our psychology to find stable job. We are born and bred to do jobs for Govt, it’s a big fact. So, people looked at other jobs like farming, shop keeping, entrepreneurship, services, parlor etc as menial jobs. One gotta ask one question to oneself. India had so many great small cottage industries, that people had them in their lineage for hundred of years. Just one profession existed for a longtime, and it is manual scavenging. It’s a cruel fact. And a gotta ask this question for oneself. Today people give 1000s of rupees to get a kilo of pure desi ghee, pure forest honey. Once upon a time, people looked at seller of those in very pitiful eyes. Govt did nothing. Irony is this, if a Govt promotes small business, the Govt gets mocked. It’s a very sad state of affairs.

We will talk about health infrastructure today. I have been in and out of Govt Hospitals for years for various reasons. Everywhere I saw common thing. Doctors have a separate clinic. Clinics have ties with Pharmacies n patholabs. If anyone goes to that doctor, another person would be there to advertise about that clinic. The doctor would say, I ll be able to treat you better if you come to that clinic. And because of this Govt hospitals took a back seat. If Govt hospital functioned properly, those clinic, pharmacies’ pockets won’t get hot. Here, after being a doctor, the doctor is sent to remote areas to treat people. They ll try extremely hard to get back to City area. Instruments worth crores ll be given to hospitals, only to be rusted in some ill kept storeroom. I ll not blame anyone. Just ask a question to yourself. Childbirth is a major medical emergency, which most of us ll eventually gotta face. How many babies we know did get delivered in Govt Hospitals? These are extremely valid questions. The answer ll be Govt hospitals are not that modern. My sincere apology to all my doctor n health workers. No disrespect. Who did it? Govt knew it, didn’t they? I have seen honest doctors got trampled because of some bureaucratic pressure. Same is the state with Govt Schools. Man, it boils my blood. People don’t ask valid questions.

Recently forest fires have been haunting our country. Few knows Eucalyptus trees were planted heavily in India during 80s. Who gave such a genius idea, so that people ld suffer for a long time.

Well, who is friend of India? India is friend of India. How India can help India? By promoting entrepreneurship, by giving local business a chance, by giving govt hospitals n schools a chance, right! After demise of cottage industry in India, Indians have to invent something, some way to keep themselves employed. And socialism n communism ll never work. It’s a tried n tested thing. And people must focus towards sustainable healthy businesses. People love French fries, we ll start pakoda stall concept should not work. It ll increase heart patients only. A lot of things have to done, if I keep on writing, it ll become a book, which nobody ll read.

This pandemic should open people’s eyes. Instead of blaming govts n expecting aids from other Govts, they should allow themselves to start again. How, where n why are beyond the scope of this text!

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