Avoid Aadhaar at all costs
The list too long…will compose it soon
I also want to know how & why
@Stupendous Man Any idea where Iris scans will be used in Aadhaar ? 
Ref: https://www.desidime.com/forums/hot-deals-online...
People like you and me should brace for more cringe-worthy times ahead. It took so much mental effort to avoid the DigiSavings 10% cashback offer and now this!
Dimers who are not aware of my full perspective on the issue might get the impression that I am against digital payments. I am NOT against digital payments, I am just averse to the intrusive and vulnerable Aadhaar system.
“Niti Aayog chief executive officer Amitabh Kant, who is heading the committee of secretaries on digital payments and is part of the panel of chief ministers on the issue, said that work is in progress on a policy to make cash transactions more expensive and incentivise people topay digitally.” (sic)
“IT secretary Aruna Sundarajan said the ministry has kept aside Rs 100 crore to incentivise enrolment of merchants on to the digital platform to help push the drive.”
CC @Magus
scary 
Can a Government Hospital refuse to treat patients if they do not have an adhaar card? 
This is real and is happening in Haryana.
Patients (except emergency cases) who do not bring their adhaar card to the hospital are being told to go back.
You don’t need Aadhaar for anything. SC rules the same. Gov can’t bully everyone into excepting aadhaar. Aadhaar can ONLY be made voluntarily. Anyone refusing service on the basis of Aadhaar has right to file a case and would win without a doubt.
Can you post the link, I can’t find it anywhere?
@Stupendous Man Never thought this deep. When you said Huge Mistake I could figure out that if the fingerprint is replicated then it is a serious issue casue it cannot be changed but so many vulnerabilities never crossed my mind.
It’s not a mistake… it’s a SCAM.
Harayana Gov recognises that Aadhaar is NOT mandatory for any gov schemes/scholarships.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Aadhaa...
Have a little problem with aadhar but after reading your post I’m really worried now. 😓
Has no one file an PIL against it as the government made it mandatory for DBTL sheme?
no bhakt commented yet
wonder if they wil even understand a word 
those jobless breed are hired by IT Cell now and must be abusing, making memes or doing some photoshop of badalta hua desh kyonki they only know abusing and cursing, photoshop or making memes. 
I am against intrusion to privacy but many things mentioned in the post are based on ifs and buts. Not wrong to be skeptical about such things but if it is implemented in a limited way for a greater benefit we shouldn’t doubt all govt policies. By the way don’t know if this qualifies to make an entry into your post, I have read articles (am sure even you would have) that spoke about a large no of illegal immigrants becoming legal citizens by getting an aadhar card. They are trying to give an impression that if someone has an aadhar card no other back ground checks would be necessary as aadhar has taken care of it with it’s “super power”.
1. If someone commits a digital crime in your name using your documents, you won’t be implicated with closed eyes. Even I have been summoned by police once because my DL copy was used to acquire a sim card. The constable came in a civilian dress and informed me to go the police station in my area. I went and spoke to the CI who asked me few questions and asked me to give any info (as much as I remember) as to where I had given my DL in the past. He just told me that your ID was acquired by someone to get a sim card and told me to write the date, the name of the person/organisation seeking the id on the photocopy and the purpose (he told me that no one has the right not to say no but many don’t know that).
2. When people know that something like a finger print can be replicated and there is chance of misuse then they will of course avoid that channel. I don’t think any country still has the infrastructure yet to implement such a banking system. So just the rumours of they are going to “implement” shouldn’t be taken at face value.
3. I agree that they would have access to our data, but when you we clean and have nothing to hide about your financial transactions shouldn’t be a problem. We should only be concerned if they govt tries to sell our data to data mining companies who might try to push products/services. This is not an authoritarian state and government suddenly/randomly cannot/won’t decide to “crush” us. If it becomes an authoritarian state then they won’t need aadhar details to crush their own civilians
4. What do you mean by anyone can corrupt our data and our identity is just deleted? It’s not eraser movie for someone to do that as no one except govt can delete our data. All such data will have reasonable back ups if they want to design a system that would control our very existence. This is big ‘IF’, at least in our lifetime they would most probably can’t design a system that would connect our life to this imaginary “cashless” system. It would look good only on the paper and designing such a system is cost prohibitive and inefficient. This point is really baseless.
Moreover the government to make subsidies targeted and prevent misuse of benefits to shunt SC orders is trying to ring fence aadhar. But SC has already made clear in its previous judgments that all laws made by the legislative are subject to judicial review and can be struck down. If they SC sees merits against govt trying to get innovative they will of course do it. But here the govt has no malicious intent other than to try and get some form of identification for subsidy targeting. No govt can be sure if they would come back the second term so they won’t have any personal gains from that.
By the way what’s wrong in making aadhar mandatory for govt subsidies? It’s one thing if they had tried to apply it without giving people a chance to even enroll themselves but it would save the exchequer a huge money. You know how rich someone having a gas distribution agency used to be? To even get a license for it people used to pay big money and I don’t have to tell you why? But making it mandatory for other non-trivial services is stupidity and might be a plan to force people to enroll themselves into aadhar.
Any digital system is bound to have imperfections but we shouldn’t kick it because of 1 or 2 stray incidents. You are quoting about one person (not doubting him, but not necessarily he is telling the truth?) but that shouldn’t stop us from implementing something if it benefits the large masses. When my cousin and me went to a CCD to get his DBS done the system threw that error about no such details existing. We came back home and promptly logged in to see nothing has changed (it’s a different thing that DBS executive who came home could verify it without any issues).
But I agree that they should not try to design a centralized system around this aadhar (even it has been made clear that it would exist as another ID and won’t super seed anything) which would be a huge disaster. At least we won’t be the “destined” ones to see such an implementation.
“large no of illegal immigrants becoming legal citizens by getting an aadhar card. They are trying to give an impression that if someone has an aadhar card no other back ground checks would be necessary as aadhar has taken care of it with it’s “super power”.”
Yes, I forgot to include that. Aadhaar is promoted by both UPA and BJP gov as the ultimate ID for every citizen and hence once you acquire aadhaar no one will object on handling over other documents like Ration card/DL/PP. Hence, now terrorists can can become a legal citizen. Thanks to our governments.
1. I don’t have any faith on gov institutions and fuctionaries. I have already given links and proofs that show how one genuine person has his Aadhaar and hence ID invalidated and dogs and cows have Aadhaar. The whole idea of Aadhar was no manual inerference but it still has manual interference.
2. Are you living under a rock? Banks demand Aadhaar even if you have KYC fulfilled. See the very first link in th OP.
“I don’t think any country still has the infrastructure yet to implement such a banking system.”
Yes, even we don’t have that but gov is hell bent on making imaginary castles.
3.Wake UP! Gov has made Aadhaar mandatory for gas subsidy,organ implant etc…Have you even read my post?
“This is not an authoritarian state and government suddenly/randomly cannot/won’t decide to “crush” us. If it becomes an authoritarian state then they won’t need aadhar details to crush their own civilians”
Again, READ THE POST. Gov has already included measures in the Aadhar bill that you can’t raise a complain regarding anything that includes Aadhar. Aadhar is becoming a tool to suppress cillivians’ rights.
4.Now I beginnign to feel that you are trolling me. All proof already given in the OP.
“But SC has already made clear in its previous judgments that all laws made by the legislative are subject to judicial review and can be struck down. If they SC sees merits against govt trying to get innovative they will of course do it.”
Seriously? You again skipped where I wrote that SC passed the ruling AFTER the Aadhar bill was passed?
“what’s wrong in making aadhar mandatory for govt subsidies?”
It’s NOT making AADHAAR mandatory for anything BUT AADHAAR itself that I am protesting against.
“would save the exchequer a huge money”
Read the part where I have posted links to gov llying about DBT benefit.
“Any digital system is bound to have imperfections but we shouldn’t kick it because of 1 or 2 stray incidents”
Trolling again? 1 out of 121 cases of duplicate Aadhar is stray cases to you?
There’s not a single thing you have written that I had not answered already.
After avoiding at all costs, I had to make my Aadhar Card this week only because **** stopped crediting Domestic Gas Subsidy and 30 Nov was last day to submit Aadhar and they were repeatedly calling. So, I did it. Now, this 
Similar problem!
almost every time i try to avoid using aadhar unless its very mandatory. some unknown fear of misuse.
Not related entirely to this topic but I thought I would say. The govt’s move to try and force people (the lower strata, illiterates, daily wage workers etc) to use digital payments is heights of nonsense. People easily scam us so called “educated” to part with our CC/DC details and it would be a disaster for such people if they don’t stop this ‘cashless’ society non-sense. Also with the security of such things in India govt themselves should have first tried to do something about it before they try to go big on such things. Don’t quote me on this but all these banking institutions should have insurances to protect their customers and pay them back for malicious transactions. There was this article which explained why Indian banking institutions try and avoid such insurances so that they don’t have to bear additional expenses. So they always try to blame the customer at the first instance even when the information has leaked from their system.
Date: 23rd Sep 2016
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-ne...
This is after Aadhaar bill
Let me make it clear I am definitely not trolling you.
Definitely as any other govt agency the implementation sucks. But that shouldn’t stop us from trying to perfect ti?
No I don’t live under a rock. Banks demand but they have never denied opening an account when I have not given one.
I didn’t talk about the duplicates and I was referring to the incidents of that twitter guy who got his data corrupted.
I am very well aware of the things they have made it mandatory and that is the reason I mentioned
By the way what’s wrong in making aadhar mandatory for govt subsidies? It’s one thing if they had tried to apply it without giving people a chance to even enroll themselves but it would save the exchequer a huge money. You know how rich someone having a gas distribution agency used to be? To even get a license for it people used to pay big money and I don’t have to tell you why? But making it mandatory for other non-trivial services is stupidity and might be a plan to force people to enroll themselves into aadhar.
You have misinterpreted the “you can’t raise a complain regarding anything that includes Aadhar”. Just because they have mentioned it doesn’t mean the courts will stop you from knocking their doors. That is the reason I mentioned SC will see merits in case you go to them. Judicial activism is one thing but again we blame them for that but maybe they would take notice of it when a Judge gets on it.
Yes you are free to protest and who am I to stop you. You gave your views about it and I told my views that nothing is wrong in implementing it for a greater good.
Yes I have read about the DBT benefit being lied about long back but that shouldn’t mean that it would remain the same going forward? Its lack of implementation and the existing corruption which has failed it to a very large extent.
I again repeat some things what you told are definitely right but things like data corruption (really? these days even reasonable no of people spend a good money just to save their photos and other documents. And we think govt wouldn’t know this?), deleting our identity, money going poof, suppress our fundamental rights (they don’t need aadhar system if they want to do that) is all a figment of imagination (all buts and ifs).
PS- I have read each and every word and have read most of the links previously even before you have quoted. You are free to have your opinion and not necessarily be the fact.
Yes, I have seen people tagging banks and fighting over the issue where they denied new account without aadhar.
“By the way what’s wrong in making aadhar mandatory for govt subsidies? It’s one thing if they had tried to apply it without giving people a chance to even enroll themselves but it would save the exchequer a huge money. You know how rich someone having a gas distribution agency used to be? To even get a license for it people used to pay big money and I don’t have to tell you why? But making it mandatory for other non-trivial services is stupidity and might be a plan to force people to enroll themselves into aadhar.”
Again the problem is NOT the scheme but the Aadhaar itself.
“You have misinterpreted the “you can’t raise a complain regarding anything that includes Aadhar”. Just because they have mentioned it doesn’t mean the courts will stop you from knocking their doors. That is the reason I mentioned SC will see merits in case you go to them. Judicial activism is one thing but again we blame them for that but maybe they would take notice of it when a Judge gets on it.”
Ofcourse we still are democratic country but gov by mentioning in the bill that UIDAI doesn’t hold any obligation towards the Aadhaar users, they simply closed doors on the users. Would you each time knock on court’s door for every misuse or mistake?
“Its lack of implementation and the existing corruption which has failed it to a very large extent.”
You believe that will change?
“I again repeat some things what you told are definitely right but things like data corruption (really? these days even reasonable no of people spend a good money just to save their photos and other documents. And we think govt wouldn’t know this?), deleting our identity, money going poof, suppress our fundamental rights (they don’t need aadhar system if they want to do that) is all a figment of imagination (all buts and ifs).”
Either you imply your own vision or cry over spilled milk. Choice is yours. Gov is serving the data on a plate, there won’t be any takers?
main to badi majboori mein banwaya. bacche ke school walo ne le rakhi thi, aadhar jama karwao, bacche ka bhi, apna aur biwi ka bhi. bacche ke aadhar ke liye pehle apna banaao being less than 5 years kid. finally jab unne ultimatum de diya ki naam katwa do agar aadhar nahi de sakte to banwana pada. 
Show them SC ruling. Tell them they are in contempt of court. Threaten them with court case. Don’t bulge or they will not back down.
Read this today’s news
https://www.thequint.com/india/2016/12/01/supre...
Please follow this hashtag on twitter…very soon this is going to explode
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DestroyTheAadhaar?s...
Just because you have seen people fighting over that aadhar thing being demanded by banks you can’t apply it to everyone and ask “if I leave under a rock”?
We have come to point that you entirely reject aadhar and I want it to give a chance so no point in arguing about it.
How many of us go complaining and to whom for the things happening everywhere. We use the Indian jugaad as always to try and avoid such things. But if things spook my very existence would have to go to the courts. Then again as you have mentioned it there is already a PIL and if SC sees demerits it would not spare the act.
I don’t know what changes with all this present drama but we shouldn’t definitely give up trying for the change.
There is no milk at all to spill really. It’s just an assumption that what if it spills and there are these ways. We should definitely raise our voice against when they try to blanket everything under aadhar. I only support aadhar as another vehicle to achieve efficiency and right now there is no other threat (except few stupidities) to us.
I don’t have to repeat the same again and again, you have ignored the rest of the posts in the thread too.
PIL already in progress where have been media, not even a single discussion over it.
Follow latest news here
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DestroyTheAadhaar?s...
I guess you are referring to the below provision to imply dictatorship of the government. How does this provision allows for dictatorship? How does it stop us from going to the court? I agree that this provision is definitely wrong but it won’t stand in any court of law. They are trying to be smart and don’t want to get into any legal issues for data breach but that doesn’t ring fence them.
Supervision and redress mechanisms
Effective supervision and redress mechanisms require individuals to be informed when there is a breach of confidentiality or disclosure of their personal information.
Section 47 of the Act prescribes that only the UIDAI or its authorised officer can file a criminal complaint under the Act. Thus, all the criminal penalties prescribed under the Act (e.g. for disclosing identity information under Section 37 or for unauthorised access to the Central Identities Data Repository under Section 38) can only be initiated by the UIDAI, and not the aggrieved Aadhaar number holder.
Consequently, even though the Act prescribes civil and criminal remedies for unauthorised access, use, or disclosure by the prescribed authority, the criminal remedy is not available to the aggrieved Aadhaar number holder. Such a person only has recourse to civil law, and the fines prescribed under the Act.
Unfortunately, a conjoint reading of Sections 28 and 47 of the Act disclose the possibility of conflict of interest since it may be in UIDAI’s interest to cover up breaches of privacy. Without the UIDAI’s proactive action, an individual Aadhaar number holder is left without remedy.
Section 30 of the Act treats biometric information as “sensitive personal data or information”, as understood in Section 43A of the Information Technology Act. The treatment of such information under the IT Act has been dealt with in detail in our previous post. The IT Act itself fails to handle sensitive personal data or information in ways that embed privacy concerns.
Finally, as discussed in the sections above, the supervision mechanism for one of the Aadhaar Act’s most controversial sections (Section 33), is the constitution of an ‘Oversight Committee’. This Committee is tasked with reviewing the disclosures made in the interest of `national security’, and thus serves to fulfill the ‘Accountability’ and ‘Security’ principles of privacy law. However, this three member Committee comprises of three government bureaucrats, especially after the Lok Sabha rejected the Rajya Sabha amendment to include either the CVC or the CAG as part of the Committee.
Edit- You can add it to your post if you like to for some analysis about that act
Thanks so much for creating this topic and sharing your views. I hadn’t thought about Aadhaar card in detail till now. It is extremely scary and India is heading towars a very bad kind of government.
I was shocked to see my aadhaar card details in the handheld device of the reliance jio guy. It had been troubling me since past few days. How can government share these details with a private company?
I went to a different state recently and i asked people about their thoughts on demonetisation. Almost all of them were parroting the same lines, i.e., they support things that are happening for the good of the country. Modi’s PR team has done wonders at obfuscating the real intent. Nobody is looking at things logically.
Yes sharing the data with private players is absolutely stupid and careless. But not surprising considering how Indian gov/bureaucracy functions.
Calling @@Captain@@
Koi tag karo Captain ko …
how?
Can’t we Dimers just start a petition on this ??
as people aren’t aware of the adverse effects !! this was we would gather in more support for this cause
After going through this thread i feel only dimers are intelligent and rest are fools… Only the guys writing these articles are honest and rest of the media is paid..
#NoQuoting
#NoTagging
People have been writing about it since 2+ years, you weren’t listening. Many intellectuals have written reports,blogs,articles. BJP themselves called it against human rights and was against it when UPA was in power.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DestroyTheAadhaar?s...
Not only aadhar , PAN card is more vulnerable than aadhar , and today you came to remember aadhar risk , where were you when you were going to give your details and take your own ? yes aadhar is really risky for a person who dont know its risks and how to handle .
In aadhar crook need to have your biometric details too + QR code ,
but in pan card your pan number itself if leaked can be misused very badly and then you will have a long race between your home and IT dept or banks . with forged pancard some cases happened like vehicle loan , CC , return file , etc .
same way voter id is also risky .
and in address proof any one can fetch your landline bill copy , electricity bill copy etc without letting you know .
so why only aadhar ? itself a fishy or selective approach . if you really want to make aware then tell all online customers why they give ID copy or ID number to delivery boy , bcoz personally many time i was aksed to give but everytime i had words with branch manager (in a case Ecom VP too) and then make them to deliver my order without ID copy , just they verified my phone no by call and delivered .
also People uses their IDs and address proofs like these have no value , crimes are less bcoz mostly croock do hack only cards but time will come when your ids may be used for wrong purposes if you dont handle them properly . always sign your copy and mention purpose and give id where you suits its really needed , and maintain other security measures too .
and regarding digital risks if you talk then you need to throw your phone too bcoz its already came in report that any company or any app can have control on your phone whenever they want and they all they can access all your data . 2nd you upload your pics on FB , in many cases girls pics are used by criminals to misuse them just for fun or take revenge , so nothing is secure .
and irony is in DD people who just install a app (unknown/new app) to get benefit of 5rs-50rs cashback today telling others stop using aadhar bcoz it has risk . LOL . also if any of you still did not notice then in many apps if you do use netbanking or cards then at payment gateway there a popup type app (1 of them Juspay) auto verify otps , have option to show what you typing in user id field or password field and all , so how that became secure . in my view netbanking or cards must be used on PCs with incognito mode and internet security (firewall) on . apps are more vulnerable then PC sites you can notice this in any type of app . also bcoz of such apps you may have faced session expired issue too and transaction fail rates are higher in app than PCs even in pc you can catch the fault or do make it succeed by back press etc but in app you cant , if you do it will be blank .
and please if after reading my post if anything wrong then tell me freely . also tell me how to avoid all these things , bcoz only aadhar is not a case before aadhar read cases many ppl forged the documents for misdeeds .
even in USA Social Security Number (SSN) is same way risky and cases reported of misuse of that too .
First, SSN in US doesn’t have biometrics.
Second, PAN or DL have a specific purpose, loosing one doesn’t paralyse your world.
after reading all comments came to know motto behind thread , some ppl seriously raises issue risks but others are as usual same blame game politics.
thats why only aadhar is chosen in social media after digital india campaign and someone recalling trolls of bjp to answer and soemone blaming modi omg , so much politics , you launch this then good we take it further then bad , same politics .
we can discuss it in normal way too if your intention is really to discuss but mixing it with politics is really shameful . bcoz in real both govts are involved in aadhar decision , UPA launched this scheme and gave it more importance while BJP now taking it further . but here some people only targeting only one govt so thats called politics .
why you all parties guys go on twitter and fight over there and directly tag modi or rahul or any other leader and then play games , delibrately discussing such issues in non political forum that too in politics way is useless . bcoz in other threads too op ask even not to do politics still some people comes and keep their chanting on and problem comes when sometimes it lead to fight or someone share rumor .
@admin @bumblefoot either allow full politics or ban completely , as few comments are here only with a mind to target only govt with the excuse of other things and some already started it .
My motto is only to spread awareness. I can’t influence anyone’s political belief. I have written previously that Aadhaar is love of both the GOVs but now it’s been used to forcibly gain unprecedented control over each one of us without our consent.
@goyal.gkg@ Even I ask the delivery boy to call and verify but in certain cases like while delivering Credit cards, they don’t deliver unless you give them an ID proof, they take picture of it, how to avoid it in this case? people set fingerprint passwords in there phone too 
@ranjithsai01 , @Stupendous Man The thing seems to be #GoDigital thing is not thought through. The Govt wants to use technology to ease/solve major issues without thinking of repercussions. Do they have well trained officials for handling this Digitalization Drive? Very Few People understand how the digital world works. Forget digital a very simple analogy would be when I am doing a private thing physically I ensure no one is watching but how do i ensure that in a digital world, it is always you have to trust a software/organization and again you get free ones in those fields too. The other solution is you learn entire Computer Science . May be we should have our own Edward Snowden which reminds me aren’t we constantly under surveillance by NSA.
Okay I went too far but the whole point of the post was linking Aadhar to banking is not secure at all since it is a permanent thing and if someone gets hold of your fingerprints, then your account may go poof if not implemented properly 
@ranjithsai01 Whatbwas the need of aadhar when there were already so many ID proofs, I never understood that in the first place
Well said – those interested in discussion see this and put your facts in a proper manner rather than politics .
Bro in 1st case if it becomes mandatory to give your ID then use your driving license or any college ID (if they allow) and better to collect it from branch itself (direct from branch manager) .
You said why need aadhar that’s too questionable but I think every person can only have 1 aadhar (biometric verification) but in other cases ppl can use multiple ids eg gas connections (also in case of illegal immigrants) . and from starting aadhar was always popular for wrong reasons . court orders , aadhar with name of gods , privacy reasons etc . but still it is more secure bcoz of various verification . and who said it is mandatory to link aadhar with bank . mine is without aadhar .
Edit – if courier is E-com express and they do pressurize you to give ID copy and you feel not safe to give it then aak delivery boy to call his branch manger if that nit works then pm me will give your marketing head number if that too not works then will give you founder’s number and mail id . bcoz I raised this issue tightly with this courier only for others my issue was solved with just branch manger interventions .
@Stupendous Man How ?