VRK Diet/Keto type of diet - Cholesterol levels and sugar levels - Real example discussion
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The liver function and Kidney function tests are with in the limits in both reports.
See my explanation below reply.
PS: Liver and Kidney tests are mandatory before starting the VRK diet.
This is for @panchabhut
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Sugar levels in the body is dependent upon the foods we eat the speed of its digestion. The most vulnerable time is in the morning after entire night’s fasting. For a normal healthy person with reasonable body fat, this is compensated by the body using available body fat. But for someone whose body is not regulating sugar levels efficiently and at the same time whose body fat have been trimmed as part of the treatment, these are most crucial time. I have known cases where the fasting sugar dropped to below 70 in such cases, and at lest half of them were not on any standard medication.
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You may be talking about special cases whose body system is completely out of control. Lets not get it into multiple issues patients.
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For those detected with Type II diabetes, their pancreas is mostly generating normal insulin, but the efficiency of their other body parts to utilise that insulin is reduced. There are means of increasing this efficiency. At the same time, completely avoiding carbs is not the way forward, as it also means loss of vital nutrients, minerals and vitamins essential for our body. The way froward is the switch to more complex carbs and high fibre non-processed food that takes longer to digest and assimilate into the blood stream.
Overcoming diabetes, without causing harm to the body, requires longterm complete lifestyle change and can not be achieved by some fly by night quick shot diet plan.
As for the fact that homo sapiens started as vegetarian, well that is a scientifically accepted and proven fact, just as the fact that somewhere in the evolutionary process, we have shifted to become hunter-gatherer. So it would not change just because some blind follower of some self styled diet god decides to reject it.
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There are two types fuel systems for our body.
1)Fat based fuel: It doesnt require insulin at all since there is no glucose in it. Fat gets converted to ketones which fuels our body.
2)Carbs based fuel: It converts to glucose and the glucose requires insulin. Thats where the diabetic issue.
Do you agree with the above two points?
BTW, please comment on the above cholesterol and sugar levels. it will be useful for our readers.
Ways to reduce weight.
For people (BMI <25)who can follow strict diet irrespective of the cravings (example, no sugar eating, no high glycemic index foods eating like mango fruits etc):
Workouts in gym – do work outs couple of months – reduce couple of kgs
Diet – Healthy balanced food – do for couple of years – reduce couple of kgs
The weight comes down due to fact that calorie intake is less than calorie burning.
For people (BMI >21 & type 2 sugar patients) who can NOT follow strict diet rules for longer period (couple of weeks).
Keto/VRK type of diet(High protein, High fat, very less carb).
The weight comes down due to fact that calorie intake is less than calorie burning + fat burning due to Intermittent Fasting(IF).
Since there are no (or very less) carbs are added to the body, the sugar/glucose level is constant at minimum level, hence the brain triggers body fat burning.
The key point here is keeping the glucose level at minimum and constant, which can only happens when the body is not given glucose.
At the same time, energy is supplied by ketones (which come from food fat).
Any comments?
LDL is the bad cholesterol. It is very high. Chances of cardiac complications, hypertension since he is already diabetic.
HbA1c is little high. What are the regular blood sugar levels?
Ask him to decrease his consumption of fats. As far as carbohydrates go, he has to take control of potion size, and prefer low glycemic index foods.
Keeping blood sugar levels under control is necessary to prevent other complications (and they are many). So ask him to take his diabetes medications regularly, at least till the time he can successfully bring his sugar levels under control with lifestyle and diet modifications.
And please ask him not to stop medications on his own, or practice other options, without consulting his doctor.
Just see my explanation above….
LDL alone can not do any thing even if it is more than 400 with out the support from HDL and sugar level.
His sugar levels are already in control due to diet, which is shown in HbA1c.
As I said in other posts, there is no medicine which can bring down the sugar levels permanently.
Sugar tablets temporary bring down the levels. Thats what the person did for last 20 years.
He started with sugar tablet power of 500mg, and then reached to 1000mg, to 1500mg, to 2000mg and finally to insulin 20 points over these years.
If you see the report of the dated 06mar20, without considering the report dated 26Nov19, most of the doctors would have given prescription for reduction of High cholesterol.
But that is wrong.
But the reality is, before starting the diet, he had high levels of Serum Triglyceride due to high intake of carbs, low levels of HDL and higj levels of HbA1c, which are DEADLY combinations. He has been eating high carbs and in turn having high sugar levels. On doctors suggestions, he has been using diabetic medication for more than 20 years.
After the diet, he has reduced the HbA1c to accepted levels without medication, good improvement. No need to continue the diabetic medicine for this level.
He also improved the HDL , which is very difficult to achieve with in couple of months (with or without medicine OR with food habit changes. Since he is old man , we can not ask him to do workout in Gym, as workouts only improve the HDL over more than 12 months period).
So with this diet, he has come out of the DEADLY combination risk and now he can choose to good food habits and life style changes OR he can continue this diet for few more weeks and get that HbA1c to further down to around 5.
Now he just needs to concentrate on bringing down the LDL. Which is not a big task, as it cools down after reducing the Fat intake. LDL alone can not do any thing, without the support of the sugar and HDL.
Also, he needs to consume dried ginger,turmeric, cinnamon, pepper and cumin powders for couple of weeks.
VRK/Keto is only the way to come out of the DEADLY combinations.
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You have hard coded into your brain that the VRK/Keto diet is the greatest thing to happen ever on this world and there is absolutely no flaw in it. So no point of talking logic or medical science with you.
I suggest you continue with the diet for yourself as well as you near and dear ones. Then experience the consequences first hand. There is no learning better than own experience. Yes, the learning may come at a great cost, but then, it would be permanent learning.
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I have followed the diet for 2 months 1 year ago (2018)and reduced my weight of 10kgs.
Before that I had followed GM diet, but was not successful.
This diet was started by VRK in the year 2016 with experiments on his body.
I checked my blood reports before the diet and after the diet. They are good and verified and accepted by doctor. The reports are mandatory as per VRK. He wanted to make sure that reports speak about the diet. This diet make wonders in Weight reduction, diabetics, bp, pcod for girls, psoriasis etc (life style diseases).
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Medication alone can not cure Type II diabetes. There has to be major lifestyle changes. Otherwise, the doses of medication will continue to rise, to compensate for the ill effects of poor lifestyle. But at the same time, completely cutting of carbs is not the solution. Our body needs necessary minerals and vitamins to survive, as well as certain minimum levels of sugar.
If a 62 year old has been on diabetic medication for 20 years, it would imply that he was detected in early 40s. Even then, he continued to abuse his body for 2 decades. The data of body weight has not been indicated. Neither the data on Liver function and Kidney function. Just drop in HbA1c and Triglyceride does not imply anything unless all relevant parameters are linked.
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This diet (for that matter any diet) is for the people who did not follow healthy lifestyle rules and had obesity. There is no point in asking every one to follow healthy life style from birth, because it is impossible since world is not perfect.
VRK diet has typical rules which needs to be followed with or without workouts during the diet.
For example, one need to take lemon water, clear butter milk, clear veg soup and multivitamin tablets, which contains vitamins, minerals, calcium etc.
I will explain in detail later posts.
BTW, the Liver function and kidney function tests of the old man are more or less same before the diet and after the diet.
His Non-HDL Cholesterol was too high (195) even on 28Nov19…why would he even try high protein+high fat diet 
Any doctor would’ve prescribed cholesterol tablets like storvas if his family has a history of heart disease
Thats right. According to our doctors association, they are supposed to prescribe drugs.
Our doctors association follow the same american association.
The American doctors association is a scam. They get bribed by drug companies to prescribe drugs unnecessarily. The prescribed limits for cholesterol and sugar levels are in favor of the drug companies.
The Ketone is the key here, which doesnt require insulin. Fat from coconut oil or ghee increases the both cholesterols. As I said earlier, LDL alone can not do any thing. So increasing the LDL along with HDL is ok. In general, improving the good cholesterol (HDL) is very difficult, which requires gym workouts and other food changes and it takes long time. (I have followed all HDL improving foods for 4 years and got a HDL increase of just 10 points). Also, coconut oil and ghee burns the fat from our body due to IF.
Check the facts about coconut oil.
While the discussion is going i also want some consultation as i have done tests twice and my cholesterol levels are quite high although my diet is completely low
Here are my levels
Total cholesterol : 259
Serum triglyceride: 226
Serum HDL: 34.1
Serum LDL: 180.2
Could any body tell me why my levels are so high
HDL values are low and LDL values are high.
Prima facie indicates unbalanced intake of fat, with high transfat in food, possibly high in non-lean animal protein. But cannot be commented further without details of regular food intake, level of daily exercise, and current medications if any.
Guys please suggest good veg keto foods.
Cali flower family, almonds, sunflower seeds, pista, pumpkin seeds > good for protein
Coconut oil/ghee/olive oil > good for saturated fat
Leafy vegetables and Vegetables of all varieties except pulses and potato family.
Guys Keto diat is dangerous and not scientific.
Never try those. Consult a doctor.
They will determine medicine based on family history too.
I disagree with the statement. Keto is similar to any other form of diet and is very effective when combined with time restricted eating / intermittent fasting. The main thing is being consistent with the diet and not cheat on any day.
Secondly, gradually make the change for the body to get adjusted and simultaneously keep measuring the blood parameters.
take homeopathy medicine to get that under control. ask doctor .
I won’t say anything that I don’t know. I googled Veeramachaneni Ramakrishna, he is an accountant by profession. But @ramadesidime , buddy you yourself said you would trust a nutritionist if that person has an MD degree.
And I get the fact that Keto is good. I have many friends abroad are taking Keto seriously. But I also follow an ex spec op, he was a top tier guy n also wrote programs for both SOCOM and JSOC, human performance expert, and he strongly criticize Keto. Their community is very small, a slight mistake that can put bad names to their community won’t be tolerated.
I don’t know, if it works then it’s great.
Then I googled about side effects of Keto diet. There is headache, nausea, kidney stone formation etc are mentioned.
Quick question, how long this VRK diet has to be continued?
VRK has arrived to this solution after experimenting on his body and his friends body in 2015/16. He was 140 before the diet, then it came down to <90.
He had followed a Canadian doctor who was expert in Keto.
He is just a learned patient. (I hope, you know the saying, experienced patient is much better than his doctor, I completely believe in this saying)
This diet is to be followed min 10 days to 3 months (for weight loss)
For diabetic, pcod, psoriasis etc 3 to 6 months.
But there are old people who did it for more than 6 months to achieve the desired results.
This diet works for life style diseases. How ever, China university(who gave award for VRK) found it is also good for some cancer patients.
He has visited many places in India, USA, Dubai etc to educate about the diet.
He is the god for many TV anchors who got rid of tan/wrinkles on face and got glow on their face.
There is another question. since a vrk diet taker ll take oil, lemon n vitamins, my question is what do they poo?
I mean you ll not take any fiber based diets, so stool must be like little n acidic
I have addressed it in the below post.
Share your story. What happened with you? When did you started taking VRK diet? And what kind of diet do you use now?
Sure.
Just curious to know, has any one here reduced the weight (at least 10kg) in any diet? How long did it take?
11 kgs (70 to 59) over 16 months. Just reduction in portion sizes, cardio on a near daily basis and almost total abstinence from sweets. Plenty of green leafy vegetables and high fibre stuff. 3 weeks of IF for the finishing touches.
Edit: Never missed out on any Swiggy/Zomato offers either.
I just came to know that there is a reward of 2cr (you read it right, it is 2 crore rupees) for curing the diabetes with allopathy/English medicine OR prove that fat based metabolism will not cure diabetes.
Make sure your kinds do physical activities. Only gif them things which involve physical activities and not gizmos
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And it is true, if people doesn’t control it sooner or later level increases.
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The level increase over the time, even if you take medicine to control.
Hint: Just find out from the elder people, how they started with 500mg/day, then 1000mg and then 1500mg and then insulin injection of 15 points and then 25 points and then ….they stop taking medicine.
If medicine is able to control it, then early medicine users should have stayed at 500mg/day.
Is any one from DD community following this diet or similar one?
What causes the Diabetes ? Can it be CURABLE by allopathic medicine?
What causes the Hypertension in most cases? Can it be CURABLE by allopathic medicine?
There are tons of diseases causing hypertension, which are treated differently. Hypertension itself is of varying types. Of varying pathologies. Of varying etiologies. Are you sure you wanna know about them all?
Will your magic wand take care of all of them with a single stroke? Or different strokes for different types?
One of the prominent Pharma company owner was taken for ride in the name of diabetes control by his specialist doctor.
He was given the insulin prescription at the early stage itself, instead of following the regular treatment.
Generally the doctors start with low dosage of tablets 500mg/1000g/2000mg/3000mg and then insulin.
He was told by his doctor that he was (destined) to use insulin in any case after 20 years, why not use now itself from beginning of the treatment.
Since he used insulin from the beginning, the pancreas could not self heal even after following this diet for 90days.
Interestingly, as per he, the diet worked for his wife, but there was no clarity whether his wife used insulin or not from beginning.
Forgot to mention, He also acknowledged that it is good for obesity/weight reduction
Hint1:
VRK suggested 100gm ghee/coconut oil per day for 10 days. Never suggested for more than 10days. But every one was blaming 100gm ghee per MEAL (absolute idiots are found in this thread).
Hint2:
Ghee/coconut oil diet with 40gm per day would have brought h1bac to <5. So some thing wrong with this thread.
https://indianexpress.com/article/health-wellne...
Large scale study involving half a million persons with an average followup period of 11.8 years.
Those on an LCHF diet had significantly higher levels of both LDL cholesterol and apolipoprotein B (apoB).
People on an LCHF diet had more than two-times higher risk of having several major cardiovascular events, such as blockages in the arteries that needed to be opened with stenting procedures, heart attack, stroke and peripheral arterial disease. And significantly. 9.8 per cent of participants on an LCHF diet experienced a new cardiac event, compared to 4.3 per cent of those on a standard diet.
LCHF/keto-like diet is actually less strict than true Keto as it incorporates a bit more carbs and less fats. I imagine the findings would be even worse in case of the latter nevermind the VRK diet.
Fad diets like any other fad are best avoided.
Significant regeneration of the endocrine pancreas is largely restricted to young children and young animals. Adult animals and adult humans have little, if any, ability to regenerate the endocrine pancreas.
present LDL is way above and increases the risk of arterial blockage. it has significantly worsened during the period. HbA1c is also still high.
also, what are the results of liver function test and kidney function test.