Finger Print Device - Why can't we integrate th...

Finger Print Device - Why can't we integrate the technology available with various mobile phones?

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We had seen a finger print device was attached to the mobile phone and the Jio sales guy does all the activation process. Similarly, the govt site, Jeevanpraman requires specific models of finger print device that needs to be registered with them.

Now already many mobiles is having the finger print scanner/recognition technology. Why can’t we integrate this device?

1. It is for personal use i.e. very limited persons should access the finger print scanner in a mobile. This is what a jeevanpraman site also address it. To restrict the use only for the intended purpose.
2. The scan quality in a mobile phone vis-a-vis a standalone scanner may differ in terms of its dpi etc.
3. The standalone finger print device now available at a cost of avg 1700/- onwards, if the finger print scanner from mobile can be integrated, this additional cost can be avoided.

My interest to serve the pensioners who are unable to move out of their homes to submit their living certificate. The jeevanpraman helps them to submit the life certificate online with the help of aadhaar combined with finger print device authorization.

Your inputs please.

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I think both have a very different purposes and they they are made for that.
The fingerprint sensor size on mobile i small and at a time captures a small portion of fingerprint at time same is true for authentication a small portion is only indentified a small portion is enough for securing a phone although that is secure enough to used for more security banking rely on external device who scanes whole fingerprint in single go.
Stiching of fingerprint data from multiple scans to make a single print is possible but it won’t be more effective i think as compared to single.

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Ash-D wrote:

I think both have a very different purposes and they they are made for that.
The fingerprint sensor size on mobile i small and at a time captures a small portion of fingerprint at time same is true for authentication a small portion is only indentified a small portion is enough for securing a phone although that is secure enough to used for more security banking rely on external device who scanes whole fingerprint in single go.
Stiching of fingerprint data from multiple scans to make a single print is possible but it won’t be more effective i think as compared to single.

This is what I expressed my concern as the device dpi capability.

Few years back, a standalone scanner used to cost Rs 10000/- onward. But now the technology has made it obsolete. Now AIO devices are much better and cheaper.

Similar is the evolution of digital camera and its associated expenditures in the past. Now we have triple camera with 48MP etc on mobile phones.

If we can save Rs 1700/- for keeping away the standalone finger print, apart from this we can do away with another attachment when we can explore the integration the technology already available in the mobile, it should be enough to cater for limited use. This is what is to be explored.

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not enough space in phone

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eshoppingfreak wrote:

This is what I expressed my concern as the device dpi capability.

Few years back, a standalone scanner used to cost Rs 10000/- onward. But now the technology has made it obsolete. Now AIO devices are much better and cheaper.

Similar is the evolution of digital camera and its associated expenditures in the past. Now we have triple camera with 48MP etc on mobile phones.

If we can save Rs 1700/- for keeping away the standalone finger print, apart from this we can do away with another attachment when we can explore the integration the technology already available in the mobile, it should be enough to cater for limited use. This is what is to be explored.

The dpi quality of mobile fingerprint vs the standalone device is definitely a issue but over that a standalone device with a bigger size scans whole finger print in a single scan while because of small size of mobile fingerprint scanner it scan scan a small portion only in single scan so multiple scans would be required to scan whole fingerprint and later they need to be stitched together.
And thats not the only problem there is a high chance of misuse.
Talking about pension ease who knows in what condition the prints are scanned may be family is ill-treating him/her and that would be a great thing for them as they don’t have to take them out. Old members abuse is common thing that’s one more problem i see.
Also yes mobile camera has become much more better but that doesn’t mean they have replaced every standalone device for capturing picture or videos.
Yes the limited use of fingerprint scanner needs to be explored but where people are scammed using just a OTP it would open a new level of power to them.

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Well almost 90% mobiles are originating from 1 country and in past there are incident that these phones are uploading some data in background to there servers on that country.
Imagine these phones finger print sensors are enabled for various aadhar based transactions, and they capture and upload that info ( aadhar and fingerprint) on there server.
We will be robbed. Whole country will be in trouble.
Better have that morpho or any other device and its imei registered on rd or any other service with subscription.

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There is a device i seen that can be attached as OTG to mobile

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B3A5T wrote:

There is a device i seen that can be attached as OTG to mobile

Yes there are and thats what op is talking about to replace with mobile inbuilt sensor.
Also just having that device won’t allow you do biometric authentication.

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You cannot use mobile fingerprint sensor for aadhar verification because UIDAI allows only registered devices to do so. These devices are in line with security protocols which are made necessary for Aadhar biometric authentication to ensure data integrity and privacy.
As the mobile sensor are fully controlled by the device hence they can be used to store verified fingerprint images thus raising security issues if used for accessing sensitive Aadhar data.
The device you see being used for Jeevan Praman and SIM issue is first whitelisted for specific IP before being used for the purpose.

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My intention is to explore the possibility of using it for limited and personal use and not commercial and mass use. Keeping that in view, the finger print technology available in mobile phones should be able to address all privacy issues and white listing of IP (since second layer of OTP through mobile phone is compulsory for these process).

My main intended use is for Jeevanpraman which now calls for standalone finger print device. The process authenticates the finger print of the customer and again asks the OTP to be input, so for personal use, why the technology available in mobile cannot be used?

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eshoppingfreak wrote:

My main intended use is for Jeevanpraman which now calls for standalone finger print device. The process authenticates the finger print of the customer and again asks the OTP to be input, so for personal use, why the technology available in mobile cannot be used?

Answered above. Because UIDAI cannot rely on mobile device makers and share fingerprint data. White listing is allowed only for specific devices.

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bip100 wrote:

Answered above. Because UIDAI cannot rely on mobile device makers and share fingerprint data. White listing is allowed only for specific devices.

UIDAI will rely on standalone device attached to mobile for services of issuing sim and Jeevanpraman and not the inbuilt finger print scanner. Do u find sound logic here?

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eshoppingfreak wrote:

UIDAI will rely on standalone device attached to mobile for services of issuing sim and Jeevanpraman and not the inbuilt finger print scanner. Do u find sound logic here?

Yes, UIDAI can rely only on standalone devices made by specific companies which agrees to its T&C and make devices compliant to UIDAI instructions. One simple instruction could be that device must be standalone without internal memory to store data and not an inbuilt sensor of any other device (here, mobile) which can store and process data.

P.S. – This is my last post here trying to explain security issues.

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+1
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nice idea

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