Old PC Upgrade

Old PC Upgrade

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Hi
I want to upgrade my old PC components.
I need CPU + Mobo+ RAM and a new Case.
Budget is not fixed but want to spend as less as possible.
PC mainly use for basic things like browsing,listening music,downloading, watching videos etc.
I can spend near 12K for all three components.
I can buy from locally(Kolkata) but easy no cost EMI would be great for me.

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Hope your motherboard supports SATA port, instead of upgrading entire system just install SSD and see the difference. You can get 256GB SSD for around 4-5K.

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srini1973 wrote:

Hope your motherboard supports SATA port, instead of upgrading entire system just install SSD and see the difference. You can get 256GB SSD for around 4-5K.

Well it depends on which CPU is in the old system, anything older than sandy bridge would be too old. Core2duo would work for the things he wants to do.. But if you want like USB3 and power savings then a newer CPU helps. Also which RAM type.. Seems its very hard to find DDR3 mother boards that uses newer CPU’s.. Video decoding hardware is only available in newer CPU’s. For 12K you would need to reuse a lot of things. just an I3 would cost like 8-9K and another 3-5K for the mobo.. So its back to DDR3 systems.. Maybe even DDR2 which I think is too old even if the CPU can do most of these things..

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Well it depends on which CPU is in the old system, anything older than sandy bridge would be too old. Core2duo would work for the things he wants to do.. But if you want like USB3 and power savings then a newer CPU helps. Also which RAM type.. Seems its very hard to find DDR3 mother boards that uses newer CPU’s.. Video decoding hardware is only available in newer CPU’s. For 12K you would need to reuse a lot of things. just an I3 would cost like 8-9K and another 3-5K for the mobo.. So its back to DDR3 systems.. Maybe even DDR2 which I think is too old even if the CPU can do most of these things..

Yes C2D is too slow even for web browsing nowadays. Many websites will max. out the CPU. A C2Q oc’ed to the hilt will suffice. A decent modern alternative will be Ryzen 2 2200G ~8k+4-5k for mobo+~1.8k for 4GB DDR4. Better than Ci3 8100 perf. and GPU perf. on par with GT1030 ( but with higher clocked RAM which is more expensive so giving up on a bit of perf. but not relevant if one is not into gaming ). Unlike say ebay/AliExpress where several generation old parts are available readily for a pittance here its generally not advisable to invest in old parts. Intel parts have had their prices elevated owing to 14nm shortage otherwise a Kabylake or later Pentium for 4-5 k would have fit right into the OP’s budget. About 1.5-2k higher than what they usually retail for.
Edit: This https://www.primeabgb.com/online-price-reviews-... isn’t too bad but then again for less than 2.3k the 2200G is a vastly superior option.

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@HackerX Can you increase your budget by 3k? That would net you the very capable quad core Ryzen system. Provided that you can make do with 4GB RAM. Otherwise another 1.5k or so for additional 4GB. 120/128GB SSD can be had for 1.6-1.8k and 250/256GB for 2.4-2.6k. Not top-of-the-line ones but will do for light usage and light years ahead of spinning rust.

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Yes C2D is too slow even for web browsing nowadays. Many websites will max. out the CPU. A C2Q oc’ed to the hilt will suffice. A decent modern alternative will be Ryzen 2 2200G ~8k+4-5k for mobo+~1.8k for 4GB DDR4. Better than Ci3 8100 perf. and GPU perf. on par with GT1030 ( but with higher clocked RAM which is more expensive so giving up on a bit of perf. but not relevant if one is not into gaming ). Unlike say ebay/AliExpress where several generation old parts are available readily for a pittance here its generally not advisable to invest in old parts. Intel parts have had their prices elevated owing to 14nm shortage otherwise a Kabylake or later Pentium for 4-5 k would have fit right into the OP’s budget. About 1.5-2k higher than what they usually retail for.
Edit: This https://www.primeabgb.com/online-price-reviews-... isn’t too bad but then again for less than 1.5k the 2200G is a vastly superior option.

If the OP has mentioned what system he was using currently it would help knowing what is possible. My old Dell laptop with C2D is still working fine in an emergency but just a HD screen and hard drive makes it too slow even for watching video’s. If you touch the keyboard or mouse the Video will stutter.. But for everything else it works fine, I turn off graphics and video auto play options. I found out that there are no mother boards able to use DDR2 ram.. So that means you definitely need to get some DDR3 ram even for CPU’s from a decade ago. So he could get some older MB, CPU and ram for 12K.. Sandy bridge is not bad for most things.. 25 years ago CPU speeds would quadruple and more in 5 years but now in a decade is just twice as fast and that also only for some things and 3GHZ duo is more than sufficient for most things. Since I stopped programming and such, I never felt the need for quad and higher etc.. an SSD and RAM definitely helps..

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alienteck wrote:

If the OP has mentioned what system he was using currently it would help knowing what is possible. My old Dell laptop with C2D is still working fine in an emergency but just a HD screen and hard drive makes it too slow even for watching video’s. If you touch the keyboard or mouse the Video will stutter.. But for everything else it works fine, I turn off graphics and video auto play options. I found out that there are no mother boards able to use DDR2 ram.. So that means you definitely need to get some DDR3 ram even for CPU’s from a decade ago. So he could get some older MB, CPU and ram for 12K.. Sandy bridge is not bad for most things.. 25 years ago CPU speeds would quadruple and more in 5 years but now in a decade is just twice as fast and that also only for some things and 3GHZ duo is more than sufficient for most things. Since I stopped programming and such, I never felt the need for quad and higher etc.. an SSD and RAM definitely helps..

It doesn’t feel right to spend 12k on old and relatively much slower performing components when an extra 3k can net one a modern system. Depending upon the electricity rate could maybe recoup the costs partially over a few years. And near-silent operation while browsing or more importantly watching movies in the dead of night. Why be stuck in the past when the future is ready and beckoning?!! Mdcomputers is a viable alternative for Kolkata residents. Credit Card EMI is available. Plus Snapmint Cardless EMI which I don’t have any idea about.

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Thank you guys!
I have old C2D 2GHz and 4GB DDR2 RAM.
It’s unable to run HD YouTube video at 60fps.
System goes to 100% and videos freeze.

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I was thinking of the following may be under my budget if emi not available.
R3 200GE+A320+4GB DDR4 2600
But I’m worried about A320. Heard it need BIOS update. Also my old local case got too much rust on it.

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HackerX wrote:

I was thinking of the following may be under my budget if emi not available.
R3 200GE+A320+4GB DDR4 2600
But I’m worried about A320. Heard it need BIOS update. Also my old local case got too much rust on it.

An Nvidia GT 1030 would have sufficed for all media decoding needs but at 6-7k its only 1k less than R 3 2200g – 4 Zen cores+GT 1030 class perf . I guess you could look for a mobo bundle along with Athlon 200GE.
Edit: I am guessing you are using a no-name PSU? That will take OCing the C2D pretty much out of the question. Although with an undervolt a moderate overclock to say 2.5-2.8GHz might be possible…
Edit2: Have you tried the H264ify extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/h264i...? Forces Chrome to use the ( royalty-based) H.264 codec (which is supported in hardware ) as opposed to the royalty-free VP9 which isn’t. You could use the “Stats For Nerds” in the YouTube page to determine exactly which video codec is giving you grief.

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LIMBO wrote:

An Nvidia GT 1030 would have sufficed for all media decoding needs but at 6-7k its only 1k less than R 3 2200g 4 Zen cores+GT 1030 class perf) . I guess you could look for a mobo bundle along with Athlon 200GE.
Edit: I am guessing you are using a no-name PSU? That will take OCing the C2D pretty much out of the question. Although with an undervolt a moderate overclock to say 2.5-2.8GHz might be possible…
Edit2: Have you tried the H264ify extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/h264i...? Forces Chrome to use the ( royalty-based) H.264 codec (which is supported in hardware ) as opposed to the royalty-free VP9 which isn’t. You could use the “Stats For Nerds” in the YouTube page to determine exactly which video codec is giving you grief.

Thank you!
I will try the extension and tell you later.
No I have Corsair VS450 currently.

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HackerX wrote:

Thank you!
I will try the extension and tell you later.
No I have Corsair VS450 currently.

That should suffice.

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Need a good case too.
For mATX mobo.
Only for air cooling.
Can be easily cleaned with brush.
Can hold 3xHDDs and DVD.
Nothing else except keep components cool.

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alienteck wrote:

Well it depends on which CPU is in the old system, anything older than sandy bridge would be too old. Core2duo would work for the things he wants to do.. But if you want like USB3 and power savings then a newer CPU helps. Also which RAM type.. Seems its very hard to find DDR3 mother boards that uses newer CPU’s.. Video decoding hardware is only available in newer CPU’s. For 12K you would need to reuse a lot of things. just an I3 would cost like 8-9K and another 3-5K for the mobo.. So its back to DDR3 systems.. Maybe even DDR2 which I think is too old even if the CPU can do most of these things..

Yes agreed if he’s using some new gen processors i would also advise you to buy a RAM and SSD

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mrKool_JJ wrote:

Yes agreed if he’s using some new gen processors i would also advise you to buy a RAM and SSD

Very old.
Intel C2D E4XXX CPU.
No GPU but only running on integrated video.

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Very old.
Intel C2D E4XXX CPU.
No GPU but only running on integrated video.

Then I would suggest you to buy everything

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mrKool_JJ wrote:

Then I would suggest you to buy everything

Yes that’s what I said at my first post.
Need cpu,mobo,ram and case.
Total 12 to 15k.
And emi option would be great but have debit card only.

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HackerX wrote:

Yes that’s what I said at my first post.
Need cpu,mobo,ram and case.
Total 12 to 15k.
And emi option would be great but have debit card only.

https://snapmi...om Cardless EMI. Have you checked this? Available on Mdcomputers and Itdepot. The former IIRC is based in Kolkata and has an offline presence. For 15k R3 2200G is a no-brainer.
BTW did H264ify work out for you?

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LIMBO wrote:

https://snapmi...om Cardless EMI. Have you checked this? Available on Mdcomputers and Itdepot. The former IIRC is based in Kolkata and has an offline presence. For 15k R3 2200G is a no-brainer.
BTW did H264ify work out for you?

Sorry I’m out of home.
Can’t confirm extension until Monday.
But if possible please suggest 4 components under 15k please. Thank you!

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HackerX wrote:

Yes that’s what I said at my first post.
Need cpu,mobo,ram and case.
Total 12 to 15k.
And emi option would be great but have debit card only.

No idea about kol if u were in Mumbai would have suggested something

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HackerX wrote:

Sorry I’m out of home.
Can’t confirm extension until Monday.
But if possible please suggest 4 components under 15k please. Thank you!

1. If the extension fails to achieve the desired result you could try to overclock. C2D is a prolific overclocker and can be oc’ed to 3.5-4.0GHz on air with ease. Combine that with an undervolt for better results.
2. 3.0GHz C2D versions are available on Amazon India for Rs 300-400 if you are hesitant to OC.
3. C2Q is available on AliExpress for Rs 600 odd. $3-4 off for new users.
You could always upgrade to a spanking new Ryzen setup if the above doesn’t catch your fancy.
Edit: OEM (minus fan and heatsink) R3 2200G is available on AliExpress for 5.5k. You lose out on 3 years manufacturer warranty plus probable additional customs duties. Would still be cheaper perhaps.

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Sorry extension failed.
CPU going 100%.
Need new HTPC Setup.
CPU+Mobo+RAM+Case.
I already have rest of the components so no need to worry.
Thank you!

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Can anyone please confirm if the following combo able to run current android mmorps/gemes smoothly ?

A6 9600/200GE + A320M MOBO + 4GB 2400MHz RAM

Not sure if 3000MHz will support on abobe cpu mobo combo or not.

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HackerX wrote:

Can anyone please confirm if the following combo able to run current android mmorps/gemes smoothly ?

A6 9600/200GE + A320M MOBO + 4GB 2400MHz RAM

Not sure if 3000MHz will support on abobe cpu mobo combo or not.

Yew! A6 is based on the infamous Bulldozer architecture. And before Ryzen AMD wasn’t a good choice at all when it came to Android emulation and not just because of its terrible performance.
Edit: Emulation is pretty CPU intensive. Plus gaming demands a decent GPU. I hate to sound like a broken record but the R3 2200G fulfills both requirements with aplomb without breaking the bank. 200GE might just squeeze through but with only 2 cores there’s not much scope of multi-tasking.

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At Rs 3550 this AsRock mobo seems to be the cheapest https://mdcomputers.in/asrock-a320m-hdv.html?se... What’s more it explicitly mentions Raven Ridge/Pinnacle Ridge (2nd gen. Ryzen APUs and CPUs respectively ) support. I am guessing this is the basic model that only supports upto a max. of 65W CPUs. Only 2 RAM slots limited to 32GB. Asus has one at Rs 4.9k with 4 slots and 64GB max. It also supports 8-core CPUs so 105W TDP.
Antec cabinets start from as low as Rs 2.2k.

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LIMBO wrote:

At Rs 3550 this AsRock mobo seems to be the cheapest https://mdcomputers.in/asrock-a320m-hdv.html?se... What’s more it explicitly mentions Raven Ridge/Pinnacle Ridge (2nd gen. Ryzen APUs and CPUs respectively ) support. I am guessing this is the basic model that only supports upto a max. of 65W CPUs. Only 2 RAM slots limited to 32GB. Asus has one at Rs 4.9k with 4 slots and 64GB max. It also supports 8-core CPUs so 105W TDP.
Antec cabinets start from as low as Rs 2.2k.

OK it’s final then.
Will wait but 2200G is way to go.
Asus or Asrock anything with work cos there will be no further CPU upgrade on this Mobo.
One more thing.
Will 8GB Single Stick 3000MHz RAM will be enough ? Wanted to go for 2×4GB 3000MHz but only 2400MHz 4GB available in the market currently.

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HackerX wrote:

OK it’s final then.
Will wait but 2200G is way to go.
Asus or Asrock anything with work cos there will be no further CPU upgrade on this Mobo.
One more thing.
Will 8GB Single Stick 3000MHz RAM will be enough ? Wanted to go for 2×4GB 3000MHz but only 2400MHz 4GB available in the market currently.

Ryzen CPUs do benefit from higher RAM frequency (the iGPU even more ) but most of the A320M mobos seem to be limited to 2933MHz. Do check. But dual-channel memory is a must nevermind if its slower.
R3 3200G is expected in a couple of months. Based on upto 10% higher clocks and 10-13% higher IPC perf. increase is expected to be 22-25%. GPU perf. increase is expected to be more modest around 10%.At the same time power consumption should go down significantly thanks to the 7nm process.

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HackerX wrote:

Thank you guys!
I have old C2D 2GHz and 4GB DDR2 RAM.
It’s unable to run HD YouTube video at 60fps.
System goes to 100% and videos freeze.

Replace old c2d with c2d 8500 relieved
Hardly costs Rs. 500-600

If you are considering complete new PC, then Ryzen 2200G is way to go…

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Replace old c2d with c2d 8500 relieved
Hardly costs Rs. 500-600

If you are considering complete new PC, then Ryzen 2200G is way to go…

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C2D is still a dual core, well over a decade old. Even lower end celerons in notebooks are faster than that, not to mention it’s a “gazz guzzler” & more inefficient than Bulldozer.

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