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One of the oldest forums on the internet (IMDB) to be shut down!

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Dimers, our community runs on the collective power of our collaboration towards a common goal — deal hunting and shopping optimizations. So it was surprising for me to discover that one of the oldest forums on the internet, which also has a focused goal (movie discussions), is going to shut down on Feb 20.

I do see some similarities between IMDB and DD — the dependence on advertisers and the constant struggle to maintain a professional forum being the two important ones. So I think it’s important for us and the admins (@admin) to learn, introspect, and avoid the factors which have led to IMDB’s drastic decision.



The Internet Movie Database — IMDb, for short — announced last week in a statement that it will be disabling its message boards on Feb. 20.

“After in-depth discussion and examination,” the statement read, “we have concluded that IMDb’s message boards are no longer providing a positive, useful experience for the vast majority of our more than 250 million monthly users worldwide.”

It will be an ignominious end for the site’s user forums, which were first launched in 1990 — making it positively ancient by internet standards. Perhaps unsurprisingly, its first entry was a list of beautiful women compiled by a man, Col Needham, who would go on to develop the underlying code that powered IMDb in its earliest days. It then grew into the premier user-generated database of information and discussion about movies and TV shows; the site was eventually purchased by Amazon in 1998, and a few years later it launched a subscription product aimed at people in “the business.”

Still, the user-generated content and the message boards, which were linked to every entry in the database, hung on through today. Though they were hit or miss at best, they could result in discussions about long-lost cinematic errata and continuity issues. While some on the internet is snickering at its demise, others are in mourning.

IMDb’s message boards are, if not a perfect example, solid evidence of what a discreet online community working toward one goal in mostly good faith can do. In the early days of the web, that was pretty common.

The site — not just its message boards, but the whole shebang — got its start from postings on USENET, the pre-web collection of communally moderated groups, or “virtual communities,” that focused on topics ranging from the arcane to the useful to the sublimely ridiculous. Back before what is now known as social media, text-only forums — both free ones (like USENET or IRC, both of which predate the web’s invention) and paid BBS services (like the online salon Echo and the Bay Area-born haven for geeks and writers The WELL) — served as platforms for discussions of cultural topics by deeply interested, if not-always-like-minded, people from, in many cases, all over the world. As web browsers became users’ main gateway to the world wide web, some of that focus shifted toward web-based forums (like the UK-based ILXor), as well as private and semi-private boards and mailing lists — often run and populated by people who’d begun interacting years earlier in public forums.

These weren’t secret, and there was rarely a high barrier to entry; they attracted a steady trickle of new people who enlivened the community with new perspectives, and their self-regulation led to discussions being conducted largely in good faith, with trolls being washed out by the collective disdain of the userbase and, at times, moderator-enforced policies.

For others, website comment sections replaced (and expanded upon) the interactions between users that had been so much of a function of the early internet, but with one key difference: They were owned by and run at the discretion of the owners of various websites, as an addendum to the content many sites were publishing and of course as a source of potential revenue. They were not, then, philanthropic enterprises, nor were they borne of the desire to interact with people who shared similar interests. And, while comment sections inflated the time visitors spend on websites and made stories seem more lively (both priorities for web publishers) they also take time and effort to keep up. Lax comment moderation often led to spam and trolling, which caused below-the-fold sections of sites to resemble particularly fetid cesspools; keeping up with ever-evolving commenting software, even (and perhaps especially) in its most basic form, provided its own suite of headaches, as anyone who recalls the word “Gravatar” might remember.

But, over the past few years, many news sites have tweaked their commenting policies in an effort to stave off these problems: The New York Times, for instance, both heavily moderates its comments and closes its discussions after 24 hours. Other sites, lured in by the promise of pumping up their user statistics and by extension their bottom lines, continue to host comments, and the opportunities taken by users at times border on the horrific — even when the sites require users to display their real names, as sites that utilize Facebook for comments do. Still, other news sites, including NPR and Bloomberg, have shuttered their comment sections entirely, often citing the rise of social media as the reason for their need being eliminated.

In recent years, the loose agglomeration of places on the internet to interact with people of similar interests has become mostly concentrated on two platforms that didn’t even exist when people first used the internet to share their lives — Facebook and Twitter. While they differ in a couple of key ways (Facebook has a “real name” policy which, for its many flaws, is intended to foster a one-real-person, one-profile userbase of people connected offline, whereas Twitter is more of a self-identity free-for-all) both lend themselves to the building of networks, and connect a user’s many affinities, as well as their friends and people whose lives they might want to follow, in one place. But unlike the original, manageable message boards and discussion groups and moderated comment sections, Facebook and Twitter are almost too large to moderate effectively, and the sheer size seemingly enables not simply the worst of individual human behavior, but of groupthink. In the early days of the internet, if you were going to make a statement of any kind, it had to be backed up by your personal integrity — good-faith behavior was assumed.

That good faith, which allowed so many of the basic building blocks of modern-day internet arguments to be sidestepped, is missing from public online discourse now — whether bad-faith readings of statements are performed by Twitter eggs searching for terms that they can jump on, or even by the blue-checked verified masses. And that’s not even to mention those who deliberately interact with bad faith and then declare their trolling, like racist or misogynist statements, to be misunderstood jokes. Bad-faith rhetoric is a plague on public discourse, attracting heat and light.

Meanwhile, the denizens of the message boards and listserves of yore are reconvening in smaller spaces on large platforms — “alt” Twitter accounts that are locked down and only visible to a select few, or secret Facebook groups that require an invitation for entry. In many ways, that search for a new place to talk privately without being interrupted by a bully or a troll is indicative of the lost potential of the internet. Community has become displaced by capitalism and cronyism alike, and sifting through the morass of garbage in order to find a sliver of gold becomes too challenging, or expensive. Already-existing groups of friends and communities will remain intact, but the potential for human growth — both in terms of numbers of users and the expansion of their minds — is cut off.

Source: http://q13fox.com/2017/02/08/imdbs-message-boar...

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Read the first paragraph only(Sorry about that) and can guess it’s a real bad news. https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

Anyone read it full and explain in short
Cc- @A2Zdeals

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Was one of my favourite message boards. Great fun to read.

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A very interesting read and read about the news in TechCrunch few days back…. I was not a regular user there so don’t really know but Trolls/spam do bring the value of community down faster than we think….

I strongly believe that Community only can save the community…. and hence we would always want/love the support of Dimers (and probably also give more power to Dimers)…. I am sure good dimers will bring in more good dimers, trust will bring in more trust and so on… And we promise to providing/improvising our platform for Dimers to continue to thrive and keep saving money!

Obviously sad to see a good community like IMDB going down…

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admin wrote:

A very interesting read and read about the news in TechCrunch few days back…. I was not a regular user there so don’t really know but Trolls/spam do bring the value of community down faster than we think….

I strongly believe that Community only can save the community…. and hence we would always want/love the support of Dimers (and probably also give more power to Dimers)…. I am sure good dimers will bring in more good dimers, trust will bring in more trust and so on… And we promise to providing/improvising our platform for Dimers to continue to thrive and keep saving money!

Obviously sad to see a good community like IMDB going down…

DD ain’t gonna go anywhere if it goes down we’re here to uplift it at our best possible way.The online forum which changed the meaning of online shopping isn’t easy to break hope to see DD grow and grow with new people and dimers achieve the desired success which everyone wants.
Thanks for the forum ..😇😇😇 https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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Very old threads in D&D section bumped up (not sure they were trolls or did it out of ignorance) by couple of guys is a good example of trolling harming the forums. There were a couple of threads where good discussions were going on and thanks to these 2 guys they were pushed out of the first page. Most of them (that includes me) don’t bother to go beyond the second page https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

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That’s a very sad news indeed. While on the surface both, the message board on IMDb and DD forums, might look alike I feel they are quite contrasting.

IMDb’s revenue model is purely from ads if I am not wrong and the value that message board provides is spread across each and every thread and to be specific each and every comment as well in the thread. Taking reference “in order to find silver and gold”, every valuable comment in any nth page of a thread is gold! Spamming such platforms that have a wide distribution of content is easy while it’s equally painful to moderate as well.

On the flip side the revenue model of DD is mostly from affiliate commission and partly from ads. The value provided here in mostly in the thread header and the first post where details of the deal are provided. Yes, the comments are valuable too but when compared to the value addition provided by comments on IMDb the value add for comments on DD is lesser and mostly to get opinion on deal which is more of a secondary check for any potential buyer. Spamming in such threads is painful too but won’t kill the purpose of the thread.

Also, while both IMDb and DD both serve a niche set of users for a niche purpose the retention rate of users for DD might be better.

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Best Movie Rating Site i ve been following it from 2004 as far as i remember. Till now i rate movies in them. Dont know much abt their forums though.

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Ya saw the message couple of days back.
It was a great place to read about Movie queries/confusions/doubts , different interpretations of endings and much more

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admin wrote:

A very interesting read and read about the news in TechCrunch few days back…. I was not a regular user there so don’t really know but Trolls/spam do bring the value of community down faster than we think….

I strongly believe that Community only can save the community…. and hence we would always want/love the support of Dimers (and probably also give more power to Dimers)…. I am sure good dimers will bring in more good dimers, trust will bring in more trust and so on… And we promise to providing/improvising our platform for Dimers to continue to thrive and keep saving money!

Obviously sad to see a good community like IMDB going down…

You might have read about or seen this as well. But even Reddit’s co-founder had difficulty dealing with trolls. And they had to change their stance recently.

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masthead1 wrote:

This :
https://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/...

It’s all relevant now.
I haven’t got a response from @admin on this one.

Nopes, it was relevant back then too…. Apologies, I had not replied but yes it does make sense to have more meaningful discussions in threads rather than VU etc…

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Sad to hear such news. I am a movie buff and IMDB used to provide me all kinds of news and tidbits.

Never expected Amazon to close it.

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gambitrite wrote:

Sad to hear such news. I am a movie buff and IMDB used to provide me all kinds of news and tidbits.

Never expected Amazon to close it.

Only the Message Boards in the IMDB site, not the whole site. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_biggrin.gif

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coolladka wrote:

DD ain’t gonna go anywhere if it goes down we’re here to uplift it at our best possible way.The online forum which changed the meaning of online shopping isn’t easy to break hope to see DD grow and grow with new people and dimers achieve the desired success which everyone wants.
Thanks for the forum ..😇😇😇 https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

Isn’t it an odd thing to say when u r in WA group(s)? https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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batman_retired wrote:

Isn’t it an odd thing to say when u r in WA group(s)? https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_eek.gif https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_rolleyes.gif Is it ; then how you know are you there too https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_cool.gif
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batman_retired wrote:

I really wish I were. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

But anyway here you go: https://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/...

So I admitted that(I could have just ignore it or remained silent he didn’t mention my name or number even but I openly admitted) and what’s wrong being part of what’s app group it’s fun to be part we share jokes which cannot be shared publicly here 😉😛😛 😂😂 https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_biggrin.gif
And moreover I never denied I’s or am a part of what’s app group.😝

Edit-
No more comments on the same in this thread (so that it won’t be spoiled)
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You want a discussion put your views in chat section and tag me and others you want to

PS- Your comment will fetch a lot of PMs for me from newbies so I want to clear I’m just part of the group not admin so do the needful while PMing

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coolladka wrote:

So I admitted that(I could have just ignore it or remained silent he didn’t mention my name or number even but I openly admitted) and what’s wrong being part of what’s app group it’s fun to be part we share jokes which cannot be shared publicly here 😉😛😛 😂😂 https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_biggrin.gif
And moreover I never denied I’s or am a part of what’s app group.😝

PS- Your comment will fetch a lot of PMs for me from newbies so I want to clear I’m just part of the group not admin so do the needful while PMing

https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif I got no problem if u r part of wa groups. Chill. Just felt like dropping a comment.

PS: May I enjoy those jokes as well? https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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batman_retired wrote:
https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif I got no problem if u r part of wa groups. Chill. Just felt like dropping a comment.

PS: May I enjoy those jokes as well? https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

Everyone wanna be part of wassup
Gajab ka hai yeh messup
Lookout for another id
Kyunki admin bolega Tumhe handsup
Chalo nikalo, Ola me nahi, group me se
#jk

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A2Zdeals wrote:

Everyone wanna be part of wassup
Gajab ka hai yeh messup
Lookout for another id
Kyunki admin bolega Tumhe handsup
Chalo nikalo, Ola me nahi, group me se
#jk

I just like jokes that can’t be shared publicly. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

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batman_retired wrote:

I just like jokes that can’t be shared publicly. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

Subscribe to jokes alert on your network operator vas https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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masthead1 wrote:

This :
https://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/...

It’s all relevant now.
I haven’t got a response from @admin on this one.

Hey, don’t know if you have realized but one of the transparency suggestions we made in that thread has been taken care of recently.

Now people can click on the visible “number of likes” for any of their own post or for any thread on the forum to get a popup list of who all voted up. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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DealSeeker wrote:

Hey, don’t know if you have realized but one of the transparency suggestions we made in that thread has been taken care of recently.

Now people can click on the visible “number of likes” for any of their own post or for any thread on the forum to get a popup list of who all voted up. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

Yes, yes they did. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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Any IMDb’s message boards archive links?

I can understand stoping new post/topic creations but removing years of users heart out comments is completely unethical.

Was searching for movies based on Usubs like ‘The hunt for red October’ ‘Das boot’ Any suggestions

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goss8877 wrote:

Any IMDb’s message boards archive links?

I can understand stoping new post/topic creations but removing years of users heart out comments is completely unethical.

Was searching for movies based on Usubs like ‘The hunt for red October’ ‘Das boot’ Any suggestions

(1) See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13...48

(2) As for movies centered around submarines, do watch ‘Crimson Tide’ and ‘U-571’.

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so we left with TMDb
RIP Forum IMDb

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goss8877 wrote:

Any IMDb’s message boards archive links?

I can understand stoping new post/topic creations but removing years of users heart out comments is completely unethical.

Was searching for movies based on Usubs like ‘The hunt for red October’ ‘Das boot’ Any suggestions

If you liked the movie, watch the TV series of Das Boot: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt00...4/ It is more like an extended version of the movie.
I haven’t watched many submarine movies. :/

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