Hotness Shameless Fraud by Flipkat. Seeking for Advice

Hot Deal Shameless Fraud by Flipkat. Seeking for Advice

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I’m creating this topic on behalf of my close relative. My relative, purchased a 5-gram gold coin from Flipkart, on 7th May, the same was delivered but shockingly after opening the package he found there’s a normal 2-rupee coin inside. While opening the package he video recorded the incident, so the unpacking event is there, all recorded. Now obviously he emailed Flipkart on the same, but they kept replying with their automated-like response, like they are looking into the matter and at one point even said that he will get refund. But a month passed, no refund was ever placed. He got agitated , normally and asked for my advice. Well I didn’t have much to advise him anyway, as this is unknown territory for me, so I just asked him to post this on Twitter, tagging Flipkart support. He did that, but it’s been 48 hours, and there’s no response from Flipkart’s side on Twitter either!

He’s lost as to what to do! And quite honestly so am I. Well Flipkart does this type of shoddy things quite casually anyway, like they blocked my account stating nonsense reasons few months back, had to email them multiple times to have the account reinstated, but this is on a completely different level of cheating.

So I’m requesting the senior and experienced Dimers to kindly input your suggestions and advices on the matter for a speedy resolution, as the matter has been going on for over a month already and my relative, quite naturally has lost his patience. He’s in a corporate private company, where time is of extreme importance to him, so having it wasted behind utterly nonsensical matter like this is somewhat taking a toll in his professional life. I will be extremely grateful for the constructive advices/suggestions from fellow Dimers here.

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bro whenever such issues happen immediately post on twitter as an open tweet with pics dont wait for long time… when its their fault they need to accept responsibility too

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reminded of playdime mentioned you in a post sad
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@ithehappy assumedly your acquaintance, like you, is a Begalurian or atleast in BGLR..and qualified (is a white collar busybee you said)
have you/ s/he yet not looped (pointwise stern but neutral mail) in the cs-head at flippedkart dot com or ceo at flipk dot com people yet?

do call up the jagograhakjago 1800 number or http://www.jagograhakjago.com/register-co...in separately email them for preliminary process to approach district forum, fees, documentation
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Keep cs-head/CEO in cc.
The BGLR escl. too have newbies and hope for your (acquaintance’s) case to be locked to sensible oldbie.
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in absence of primary agent locked to your case, even other escl. people can handle too.
If you request say, xyz language or if they’ve shift time mismatch, roastered off.
Mails to cs-head even got response/callbacks at 2030-2040 hours.. despite request for calls only during daylight hours from Hindi proficient associates
This detail was only to emphasise, that like Amazon, the agent to whom the issue is locked to.. is duty bound to annotate some action within specified timeliness.
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Even calls at 0830-1000 come if mailed at 4am too.
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The idea is to slow them down on call by speaking I. Non English.. always trapping them in guilt as representating
a decade plus old entity.. gradually steering them to risk of possible legal issues if the rep. sounds sympathetic and knowledgeable.
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Yes they have castrated, frustrated chimps who are allowed to manually freeze accounts.
Once same happened with someone’s account even in midst of the escalations handling the issue.
The representative who was handling the case (back then one Mr. Barkat) apologised and had it fixed in an hour when next connected on calll.
But then the accounts were never used for any orders over 1000-1200 at a time.
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Don’t know how genuine or otherwise is the usage of your acquaintance (and your own :P account)

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Just make a complaint in consumer forum. U have proof u will get relief. I don’t know why people don’t think of this option.
PS :- consumer court run a little bit faster than other legal courts

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Send them and their legal team a notice. This way they will know you are serious. Give them some time (15 days) to reply back and resolve the issue. Let them know that if they do not resolve the issue then you will be forced to go to consumer court to receive the refund with interest + legal expenditure + any fee incurred during the process + compensation for mental harassment.

If they do not take any action in 15 days, then send them another notice and keep a record of everything.

If they still do not resolve the issue, file a case in consumer court. Usually, these companies try to avoid going to consumer court because the majority of times, they lose. You will get your refund after 2-3 notices.

I got my faulty Redmi phone replaced that way from Flipkart after using it for more than 9 months. Xiaomi couldn’t fix the phone and after a while, they stopped responding on email and phone. So I sent a notice to Flipkart, Seller (RetailNet), Xiaomi and Xiaomi’s service center. After a month or so when I was about to file a case, Flipkart offered to replace my phone with a brand new device. I accepted.

I also got a refund from Asus for another phone (Zenphone 3) because they could not fix it after 3 tries and keeping the phone for more than 2 months. After 4 months and 4 notices, Asus agreed to change my device with a new unit which I refused. I asked for the latest model or refund my money with interest. They refunded me with 6% interest.

A few things to note. You can send your notice via email. Send it to all parties involved (Flipkart, Flipkart’s legal team and seller). You don’t need a lawyer to send a notice, although it’s better if you can hire one or ask for the help of one of your lawyer friend. You don’t need a lawyer for a consumer court case. Keep a record of everything. Keep proof of everything in print. You should also send the soft copy of proofs attached with your notice.

Finally, keep your cool. Don’t call them names or use the bad language. They also keep a record of everything. If your case is genuine and you have proof then you will get your money back with interest and compensation.

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Roushh wrote:

Send them and their legal team a notice. This way they will know you are serious. Give them some time (15 days) to reply back and resolve the issue. Let them know that if they do not resolve the issue then you will be forced to go to consumer court to receive the refund with interest + any fee incurred during the process + compensation for mental harassment.

If they do not take any action in 15 days, then send them another notice and keep a record of everything.

If they still do not resolve the issue, file a case in consumer court. Usually, these companies try to avoid going to consumer court because the majority of times, they lose. You will get your refund after 2-3 notices.

I got my faulty Redmi phone replaced that way from Flipkart after using it for more than 9 months. Xiaomi couldn’t fix the phone and after a while, they stopped responding on email and phone. So I sent a notice to Flipkart, Seller (RetailNet), Xiaomi and Xiaomi’s service center. After a month or so when I was about to file a case, Flipkart offered to replace my phone with a brand new device. I accepted.

I also got a refund from Asus for another phone (Zenphone 3) because they could not fix it after 3 tries and keeping the phone for more than 2 months. After 4 months and 4 notices, Asus agreed to change my device with a new unit which I refused. I asked for the latest model or refund my money with interest. They refunded me with 6% interest.

A few things to note. You can send your notice via email. Send it to all parties involved (Flipkart, Flipkart’s legal team and seller). You don’t need a lawyer to send a notice, although it’s better if you can hire one or ask for the help of one of your lawyer friend. You don’t need a lawyer for a consumer court case. Keep a record of everything. Keep proof of everything in print. You should also send the soft copy of proofs attached with your notice.

Finally, keep your cool. Don’t call them names or use the bad language. They also keep a record of everything. If your case is genuine and you have proof then you will get your money back with interest and compensation.

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Could you please what emails you sent and what responses you get?

You can blur the private info. Rest please share. It will hep everyone.

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Just make a complaint in consumer forum. U have proof u will get relief. I don’t know why people don’t think of this option.
PS :- consumer court run a little bit faster than other legal courts

Yeah, Within 6 months u will get ur compensation as well as ur refund too

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hullaluya wrote:

Could you please what emails you sent and what responses you get?

You can blur the private info. Rest please share. It will hep everyone.

You will have to find the emails and their physical addresses online. Or ask on chat or phone. You can also tag them on Twitter asking for email addresses of desired department.

For Flipkart

Flipkart CS Head
[email protected]

Flipkart Grievance officer
[email protected]

Grievance contact number – 080-42749527

Also, [email protected] or [email protected]

You can get seller email address from invoice. If there is no email then there will be a phone number. Call him and ask for his email.

They usually copy paste template response because they try to avoid saying anything on record (email) unless it comes from higher management. But you are not after their statement. If you can get their statement then it’s good, otherwise it also fine. You just need to show the court that you tried to contact the firm on this date and these many times. You gave them enough chances to correct their mistake. So you went through shit ton of mental and physical harassment and that you deserve 2L rs in compensation. etc etc.

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Yeah, Within 6 months u will get ur compensation as well as ur refund too

I once got 80K rs compensation for a 40K rs laptop from a local HP showroom. But it took more than a year. Although case was concluded in ~ a year but HP and local showroom didn’t pay the money on the deadline. It was 75K at that time.

So I complained to the judge. Judge increased my compensation to 80K and ordered to issue unbailable warrant in the name of HP manager and local showroom owner in case they miss next deadline. Next day the showroom owner came to my home to deliver the cheque.

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Roushh wrote:

I once got 80K rs compensation for a 40K rs laptop from a local HP showroom. But it took more than a year. Although case was concluded in ~ a year but HP and local showroom didn’t pay the money on the deadline. It was 75K at that time.

So I complained to the judge. Judge increased my compensation to 80K and ordered to issue unbailable warrant in the name of HP manager and local showroom owner in case they miss next deadline. Next day the showroom owner came to my home to deliver the cheque.

Excellent. Fuck these shitty business owners.

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Could you please what emails you sent and what responses you get?

You can blur the private info. Rest please share. It will hep everyone.

+1..

Content of the emails can be relatable and helpful as u said doesn’t really need a lawyer for sending notice to them..

So if you, @Roushh, have the email pls share the content here..

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please dont mind me
I dont know how close you are to your relative but pls confirm as speaking from my experience
I have a friend who is cheating fk,amazon etc. by refunding techniques
and he asked me too to share my id but I strictly told him not to do so as it may have legal and punishable consequences
so just make sure its a genuine case

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please dont mind me
I dont know how close you are to your relative but pls confirm as speaking from my experience
I have a friend who is cheating fk,amazon etc. by refunding techniques
and he asked me too to share my id but I strictly told him not to do so as it may have legal and punishable consequences
so just make sure its a genuine case

@SARDARKHAN Agree with ur views, but generally gold coins once delivered are not returnable right so if I assume that during the product return some one did that gadbad as gold coins are not all returnable at all, how come the 2 rupees coin got packed in place of 5 grams gold coin, is this incident can be a jaadu of delivery guy

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SARDARKHAN wrote:

please dont mind me
I dont know how close you are to your relative but pls confirm as speaking from my experience
I have a friend who is cheating fk,amazon etc. by refunding techniques
and he asked me too to share my id but I strictly told him not to do so as it may have legal and punishable consequences
so just make sure its a genuine case

Totally agree. And reality is, sometimes it’s customer’s fault or he/she has unrealistic expectations.

That’s why it’s very very important to proceed with legal proceedings only if we have a genuine case of cheating and most importantly we have all the hard evidences to prove it. Otherwise these companies may f*ck us just to set an example. If we file a fraudulent case and didn’t win then the company can demand for damages and legal expenditures from our pocket which happens to be substantial for a company like Flipkart and it can destroy us financially. Additionally we will be held for fraud.

So first, get the issue resolved without going legal. Try getting in touch with higher management or get in contact with grievance officer. Additionally file a complaint at Govt Grievance first to get it resolved. Only take this route as a last resort.

Try this if you know what exactly are you doing. That’s why I recommended earlier to consult with a lawyer first.

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+1..

Content of the emails can be relatable and helpful as u said doesn’t really need a lawyer for sending notice to them..

So if you, @Roushh, have the email pls share the content here..

This is not a crash course on how to screw a company. So content of the emails are not relevant. Considering the nature of this community, I am not going to post emails here so people can copy paste it whenever they had trivial issues like cb not getting credited or some issue with delivery etc. If you have genuine case of cheating then you will have to do the work.

Legal proceedings are double-edged sword. If you mess up with something then you are screwed. The argument “I was not aware of this” or “I didn’t know the law” doesn’t hold in court when you mess up. That’s why it’s very important to get it touch with a lawyer if you don’t know how does this work.

Yes, you don’t need a lawyer to send a notice but you will require a lawyer to draft it. There is a format for it and the language. Get it draft once and when you know what you are doing then you don’t need to hire a lawyer next time.

Also, people who are hesitating to hire a lawyer, you don’t need to worry. Whatever it will cost, you can get it reimbursed from the company when you will win the case along with other expenses. Just get a bill. You can demand for postage charges too if you also post the notice via mail (speedpost recommended). You can also ask for any telephone charges that you may have to spend when you called the customer care or other company officials. You can also demand for petrol to visit the service center and visit the court etc. You can include any or all charges that you may have to bear because of the case till that date.

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Just complain in national consumer forum. Follow what they say. Then just sit back and relax. Flipkart executive will call you. This has been my experience. If you complain via email you’ll play table tennis for month’s and in the end get nothing.

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Roushh wrote:

I once got 80K rs compensation for a 40K rs laptop from a local HP showroom. But it took more than a year. Although case was concluded in ~ a year but HP and local showroom didn’t pay the money on the deadline. It was 75K at that time.

So I complained to the judge. Judge increased my compensation to 80K and ordered to issue unbailable warrant in the name of HP manager and local showroom owner in case they miss next deadline. Next day the showroom owner came to my home to deliver the cheque.

what exactly happened ?

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Roushh wrote:

I once got 80K rs compensation for a 40K rs laptop from a local HP showroom. But it took more than a year. Although case was concluded in ~ a year but HP and local showroom didn’t pay the money on the deadline. It was 75K at that time.

So I complained to the judge. Judge increased my compensation to 80K and ordered to issue unbailable warrant in the name of HP manager and local showroom owner in case they miss next deadline. Next day the showroom owner came to my home to deliver the cheque.

yesssss need more details

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what exactly happened ?

This is the only time I had to go to consumer court to get a matter resolved. This happened 5 years ago.

I bought an HP laptop from a local HP dealer. It worked fine for 2 months then it didn’t boot one day. So I went to the service center and they said the motherboard has been fried and they are going to replace it under the warranty. Nice, I got the laptop working.

The new board worked for only 15-20 days and I faced the same issue. I went to the service center again and they again replaced the board. But the new board again failed after 15 days. I went back to the service center and this time they refused to repair it under the warranty. The guy said we replaced the board 2 times under the warranty and now you will have to pay for it. I refused as I was sold a faulty laptop in the beginning and I was entitled to a working unit at least under warranty but they didn’t budge.

So I sent a notice to HP, HP dealer, Intel and HP service center. They responded with the same thing that we replaced it 2 times for free, not anymore. Meanwhile, I started collecting all the evidence, receipts and communication logs for proof. I sent them another notice knowing that they will say the same but I had to do it so that I can show it to the judge that I have offered them 2 chances to resolve the matter but they chose not to.

So finally, I filed a case against them in consumer court. The case took a year to conclude and the judge decided in my favor.

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Thanks to all who have replied. Appreciate it. Special thanks to @js818 and @Roushh for mentioning specifics. I have forwarded the messages to my relative and requested him to send emails to those Flipkart addresses. If they don’t reply in few days then I will ask him to undertake the legal procedures, which he wants to avoid though, because of the time needed to be spent for those matters.

I will keep updated what happens and I will also help my relative to see this through with the best of my ability.

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Roushh wrote:

This is the only time I had to go to consumer court to get a matter resolved. This happened 5 years ago.

I bought an HP laptop from a local HP dealer. It worked fine for 2 months then it didn’t boot one day. So I went to the service center and they said the motherboard has been fried and they are going to replace it under the warranty. Nice, I got the laptop working.

The new board worked for only 15-20 days and I faced the same issue. I went to the service center again and they again replaced the board. But the new board again failed after 15 days. I went back to the service center and this time they refused to repair it under the warranty. The guy said we replaced the board 2 times under the warranty and now you will have to pay for it. I refused as I was sold a faulty laptop in the beginning and I was entitled to a working unit at least under warranty but they didn’t budge.

So I sent a notice to HP, HP dealer, Intel and HP service center. They responded with the same thing that we replaced it 2 times for free, not anymore. Meanwhile, I started collecting all the evidence, receipts and communication logs for proof. I sent them another notice knowing that they will say the same but I had to do it so that I can show it to the judge that I have offered them 2 chances to resolve the matter but they chose not to.

So finally, I filed a case against them in consumer court. The case took a year to conclude and the judge decided in my favor.

After the judgement, did HP pay/repair/replace the laptop/motherboard, if yes, after how many days of the judgement?

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Roushh wrote:

This is the only time I had to go to consumer court to get a matter resolved.

I bought an HP laptop from a local HP dealer. It worked fine for 2 months then it didn’t boot one day. So I went to the service center and they said the motherboard has been fried and they are going to replace it under the warranty. Nice, I got the laptop working.

The new board worked for only 15-20 days and I faced the same issue. I went to the service center again and they again replaced the board. But the new board again failed after 15 days. I went back to the service center and this time they refused to repair it under the warranty. The guy said we replaced the board 2 times under the warranty and now you will have to pay for it. I refused as I was sold a faulty laptop in the beginning and I was entitled to a working unit at least under warranty but they didn’t budge.

So I sent a notice to HP, HP dealer, Intel and HP service center. They responded with the same thing that we replaced it 2 times for free, not anymore. Meanwhile, I started collecting all the evidence, receipts and communication logs for proof. I sent them another notice knowing that they will say the same but I had to do it so that I can show it to the judge that I have offered them 2 chances to resolve the matter but they chose not to.

So finally, I filed a case against them in consumer court. The case took a year to conclude and the judge decided in my favor.

so you got laptop plus 80k ?

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After the judgement, did HP pay/repair/replace the laptop/motherboard, if yes, after how many days of the judgement?

When I filed the case, their representative got in touch with me within a week or so and offered me to replace my laptop with a brand new unit.

I got tired with their BS at that time so I refused and asked them to refund my money with 18% yearly interest from the date of purchase + lawyer fee + document printing + postage charges + phone calls + petrol + compensation for the harassment I faced.

There was no need for repair or replacement. I got the refund. Judge usually gives them timeframe to repair/replacement or refund based on what you are asking.

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Simbha3 wrote:

so you got laptop plus 80k ?

No, I got refund. I gave their laptop back. I bought it for 42K.

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I will keep updated what happens and I will also help my relative to see this through with the best of my ability.

you welcome. you are helping others and that is what this site too is about, so we aren’t doing anything special.
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Yes, keeping this topic looped would be nice.
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That one has commitments, priorities is understandable and practical too.
But then, would a fast spreading cancer not come up his priorities? can ask him that.
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Roushh seems like a pro or one who is game to take bulls by the horns.
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but although food fmcg and now online space cheats are a cancer too.. our lethargy and chalta hai (casualness) makes us desi consumers sitting ducks.

Considering his life and professional engagements, I didn’t go in the martyrdom direction (actually going to jagograhakjago/ consumer redressal).
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if a snake can avoid trouble by hissing alone, then it never wastes its venom.
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But tell your relative that if hissing doesn’t mitigate the loss/risk.. then biting WOULD be necessary.
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For now (like @Roushh rightly highlighted) keep all records (emails are treated by courts as evidence) and have maximum written trail.. that one can present during submissions.
Kids manning call centres are humans too and often unaware of what to say.
100 agents 101 versions.
Once 15-18 days after the first stern mails/ registered AD post are lapsed.. even an initial (nearly free) case registration with the Ministry of Consumer Affairs (via consumer forum) WILL raise the antlers of those concerned.
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hope you don’t feel offended, but this person (since educated and maybe 20+).. is careless or even.. doesn’t have self management skills.
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No job is that bad as to let go of such monies for SO long… unless ofcourse his usual/regular or ancillary income is 80-100x and such amounts are inconsequential.

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Roushh wrote:

This is not a crash course on how to screw a company. So content of the emails are not relevant. Considering the nature of this community, I am not going to post emails here so people can copy paste it whenever they had trivial issues like cb not getting credited or some issue with delivery etc. If you have genuine case of cheating then you will have to do the work.

Legal proceedings are double-edged sword. If you mess up with something then you are screwed. The argument “I was not aware of this” or “I didn’t know the law” doesn’t hold in court when you mess up. That’s why it’s very important to get it touch with a lawyer if you don’t know how does this work.

Yes, you don’t need a lawyer to send a notice but you will require a lawyer to draft it. There is a format for it and the language. Get it draft once and when you know what you are doing then you don’t need to hire a lawyer next time.

Also, people who are hesitating to hire a lawyer, you don’t need to worry. Whatever it will cost, you can get it reimbursed from the company when you will win the case along with other expenses. Just get a bill. You can demand for postage charges too if you also post the notice via mail (speedpost recommended). You can also ask for any telephone charges that you may have to spend when you called the customer care or other company officials. You can also demand for petrol to visit the service center and visit the court etc. You can include any or all charges that you may have to bear because of the case till that date.

Agreed.. One thing I am well aware of is copy paste issue courtesy to some of my friends.. joy

Only reason for asking email content was you mentioning ‘You don’t need a lawyer to send a notice’.. because even though I have no in depth knowledge about legal proceedings, I doubted if something without proper format would serve as legal notice..

Btw, you have mentioned in comment that u asked for petrol, calls etc.. how can u prove, amount u r asking against these actually occurred for this specific case only..?? Mainly because 399/- monthly serves for all calls..& petrol might have been used for other purposes..

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Agreed.. One thing I am well aware of is copy paste issue courtesy to some of my friends.. joy

Agreed.. One thing I am well aware of is copy paste issue courtesy to some of my friends.. joyOnly reason for asking email content was you mentioning ‘You don’t need a lawyer to send a notice’.. because even though I have no in depth knowledge about legal proceedings, I doubted if something without proper format would serve as legal notice..

Agreed.. One thing I am well aware of is copy paste issue courtesy to some of my friends.. joyOnly reason for asking email content was you mentioning ‘You don’t need a lawyer to send a notice’.. because even though I have no in depth knowledge about legal proceedings, I doubted if something without proper format would serve as legal notice..Btw, you have mentioned in comment that u asked for petrol, calls etc.. how can u prove, amount u r asking against these actually occurred for this specific case only..?? Mainly because 399/- monthly serves for all calls..& petrol might have been used for other purposes..

Don’t quote me on this, but even if you know the proper legal format and the language of a legal notice, when sent by laymen like you or me I don’t think it’ll ever be regarded as a legal notice, simply because we don’t have a degree of law. Only the lawyers can send legal notice, afaik. You can obviously send a notice, but that will not be termed as a legal notice.

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hahahaha Indian courts.. its a joke.. It all depends on power like everything else.. A judge from another state would usually rule on the case but a local judge will diddle and widdle on it and never make a ruling if there is power involved.. We had a ruling from an out of state judge who was moving to the supreme court.. They tried to delay the ruling and such until he left but he made one ruling which was in our favor before he left he made some comments.. Now everyone just follows those comments and widdle waddle diddle on non events.. Even a supreme court order on no more cases can be filed until this is finalized means little.. Because it was so obvious that the cases were being mis managed.. They just use the old cases to waddle on and on and on and never a ruling.. It just gets postponed and postponed.. Some of this concern pretty urgent matters..

Consumer court is a little different with little money involved so judges are not under pressure.. So dont let this fool you.. Even a supreme court verdict means little.. A direct order from them for no more cases can be filed because the state government filed like over a dozen cases against the officer that brought charges against them before all pending cases are resolved just means, it is never over..

The thing is, this happens in every country.. But in india this happens so openly and it happens so often…. This is twice now I seen supreme court issue verdicts of no further conduct in the cases until pending ones are resolved.. The thing is, the resolution is widdle waddle diddle.. has no bearing on the case.. Now remember, there is hearing going on for a week or two and you go, so its looking good and in favour etc.. But the ruling??? nothing that was discussed for the last 2 weeks is in there.. I dont even know how this can even be a ruling.. How judges get off on diddling and daddling and close cases without a ruling pertaining to the cases filed.. So many of them.. Since dozens of senior advocates are involved I think everyone knows but no one says anything.. Many times the rulings are done in chambers and not in the court room..

ARGH!!! The same cases over and over and over.. In the US such cases never even get filed or gets dismissed right away.. The supreme court also seems to be good at this and working like a court.. But even there corruption is pretty bad but much more difficult since its the end of the road and they can not move onto a higher or better position and getting caught means their names gets invoked in all law colleges.. But the state courts are as good as DD arbitration on reposts..

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ithehappy wrote:

Don’t quote me on this, but even if you know the proper legal format and the language of a legal notice, when sent by laymen like you or me I don’t think it’ll ever be regarded as a legal notice, simply because we don’t have a degree of law. Only the lawyers can send legal notice, afaik. You can obviously send a notice, but that will not be termed as a legal notice.

Only courts can send a legal notices.. But you or a lawyer can send a “notice” on the matter and it is a valid notice that they have to take action on. They can not ignore either notices..

The main difference is a court notice can be ignored but the effects are immediate.. ie the court can reissue a fine or contempt of immediate actions while your notice you have to take it to court and get a court ruling on it. Banks are almost as good as courts.. They seem to be able to get immediate action if their notices are ignored.. so are government offices as I found out. When the company did not pay PF dues by due date they put a lien on the bank account. So paychecks and everything got frozen.. The matter got resolved the next day and the lein was released.. So things which were frozen for 5+ years can be solved in a single day with enough motivation.. I seen this happen but if we have to do something, expect a 5+ year running around to get it done.

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