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The bulls in Alanganallur came out of the vaadi vaasal (entry door) at high speed. Only a quarter of the contestants were able to hang on to the bull and win the contest. Credit: Vinoth Chandar/Flickr CC 2.0

Imagine this scene a few thousand years ago in the Indus Valley region. A group of herders out grazing a few hundred cattle, enjoying the warm sun on their backs with the occasional cry of a calf seeking its mother and the mother guiding it. The whole herd is on the move as the lazy day passes by.

Suddenly a bull decides to run astray. With wild animals lurking, there is the danger of the herd breaking up into smaller groups. A young herder emerges and chases the bull. Bulls being males high on testosterone run quite fast and finally the herder catches up with it. He lunges forward and holds onto the hump of the bull. The hump is a unique feature of Bos Indicus cattle. He manages to hold onto the hump, slowing the bull down and finally stopping it. He leads it back to the herd and the group continues, while showering praises on the young herder for catching the bull.

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Now imagine this scene repeated on a daily basis and the herders sharing the story with the villagers when they pen the cattle for the night. Over time, the skill of embracing the hump to slow the bull down is celebrated and contests are held to showcase the skill. This is called Eru Thazhuvuthal meaning ‘Embracing a Bull’. Indus Valley civilisation is known for being one of the most advanced and sophisticated amongst its contemporaries. The sport of Eru Thazhuvathal is celebrated so much that they decide to make a seal depicting the same.

During the rule of the Nayak kings, gold coins, wrapped in a piece of cloth were tied to the horns, and the tackler hung on to the hump of the bull and untied the knot to get at the prize. Jalli/salli means ‘coins’, and kattu is ‘tied’. A small bag of coins was tied to the horns of the bulls, which the players claimed as a prize. The only way you could do that was to embrace the hump of the bull long enough to grab the bag without getting hit.

Now a token cloth is tied in the horns which the tackler collects as a trophy. The focal point of the event is the vaadi vaasal, the entrance. The bulls are let through this entrance, into the track, where the players wait. The track is usually the main street of the village, with the side lanes blocked. The event begins with the visit of village elders, led by a band drummer, to the temple of the village deity. The Koyil Kaalai (temple bull) of the host village is allowed first and as a mark of respect and gratitude to the host village, players allow it a free run and don’t touch it. Today, educated youngsters from these villages are also involved in the rearing of bulls and participate in the sport. All classes of people and all castes take part in Jallikattu. There is an egalitarian perspective where it’s humans and their cattle, nothing more nothing less.

An ancient heritage that survived colonial period

Jallikattu is an ancient sport. The seals of the Indus Valley civilisation depict it, which is proof that this sport was in vogue 5,000 years ago. Ancient Tamil poetry, known as Sangam literature (2nd BCE – 2nd CE), has many detailed references to Eru Thazhuvuthal (hugging the bull).

The fact that English colonial administrators have also written about jallikattu tells us the sport was played continuously down the ages.

For the following account of the jellikattu or bull-baiting, which is practiced by the Maravans, I am indebted to a note by Mr. J. H. Nelson. “This,” he writes, “is a game worthy of a bold and free people, and it is to be regretted that certain Collectors (District Magistrates) should have discouraged it under the idea that it was somewhat dangerous.

The jellikattu is conducted in the following manner. On a certain day in the year, large crowds of people, chiefly males, assemble together in the morning in some extensive open space, the dry bed of a river perhaps, or of a tank (pond), and many of them may be seen leading ploughing bullocks, of which the sleek bodies and rather wicked eyes afford clear evidence of the extra diet they have received for some days in anticipation of the great event.

The owners of these animals soon begin to brag of their strength and speed, and to challenge all and any to catch and hold them; and in a short time one of the best beasts is selected to open the day’s proceedings. A new cloth is made fast round his horns, to be the prize of his captor, and he is then led out into the midst of the arena by his owner, and there left to himself surrounded by a throng of shouting and excited strangers.

Unaccustomed to this sort of treatment, and excited by the gestures of those who have undertaken to catch him, the bullock usually lowers his head at once, and charges wildly into the midst of the crowd, who nimbly run off on either side to make way for him. His speed being much greater than that of the men, he soon overtakes one of his enemies and makes at him to toss him savagely. Upon this the man drops on the sand like a stone, and the bullock, instead of goring him, leaps over his body, and rushes after another. The second man drops in his turn, and is passed like the first; and, after repeating this operation several times, the beast either succeeds in breaking the ring, and galloping off to his village, charging every person he meets on the way, or is at last caught and held by the most vigorous of his pursuers.

Strange as it may seem, the bullocks never by any chance toss or gore any one who throws himself down on their approach; and the only danger arises from their accidentally reaching unseen and unheard some one who remains standing.

After the first two or three animals have been let loose one after the other, two or three, or even half a dozen are let loose at a time, and the scene quickly becomes most exciting. The crowd sways violently to and fro in various directions in frantic efforts to escape being knocked over; the air is filled with shouts, screams, and laughter; and the bullocks thunder over the plain as fiercely as if blood and slaughter were their sole occupation. In this way perhaps two or three hundred animals are run in the course of a day, and, when all go home towards evening, a few cuts and bruises, borne with the utmost cheerfulness, are the only results of an amusement which requires great courage and agility on the part of the competitors for the prizes – that is for the cloths and other things tied to the bullocks’ horns – and not a little on the part of the mere bystanders. The only time I saw this sport (from a place of safety) I was highly delighted with the entertainment, and no accident occurred to mar my pleasure. One man indeed was slightly wounded in the buttock, but he was quite able to walk, and seemed to be as happy as his friends.”

(From Edgar Thurston, Castes & Tribes of Southern India,Vol 5.)

This is concrete evidence to prove that jallikattu has been part of the long heritage of the country. One strong characteristic of life in India is the persistence of certain social institutions, the origins of which are lost in pre-history. Though the profile of these practices change, they retain their essential features. Jallikattu is one such precious heritage that has been preserved over millennia and our duty is to take this forward. Of course we should have rules and restrictions for the conduct of the event but Jallikattu should go on.

Native breeds as a factor

There were 130 or so cattle breeds in India 100 years ago and now there are only 37. Unless we engage with the traditional livestock keepers and support them, we will lose these breeds as well as lay the ground for commercial cattle based dairies and slaughter houses to dominate the country

Tamil Nadu had six cattle breeds earlier and now we have lost the Alambadi breed. The remaining breeds are Kangayam, Pulikulam, Umbalachery, Barugur and Malai Maadu. There are a few more minor breeds without proper documentation or care. Most of these are on the verge of extinction. Each breed has evolved in perfect harmony with its local region. Kangayams fed on grasses in the calcium rich soil are the sturdiest animals and can pull up to 2.5 times their body weight with ease. Umbalacherys have shorter legs which make it easy for them to walk around in the water filled fields of the delta region. Barugurs in the hills of Erode district and Malai Maadus in Theni district are grazed in reserve forests and are adept at walking around in hilly terrain. The Pulikulam, found mostly in the region around Madurai, Sivaganga, Ramnad, Pudukottai and parts of Tiruchi district are herded in several hundreds and walk all day grazing before being penned for the night.

Native cattle have evolved over millennia, adapting to the local environmental conditions. They are an integral part of farming, especially for small and marginal farmers as they serve multiple purposes like ploughing, transportation, source for farmyard manure, organic treatments like panchagavya, jeevamritham, and as a source of A2 milk. The native cattle are both an input as well as insurance to the livestock keepers. In ancient Tamil and Sanskrit literature, cattle is considered as wealth. Cattle were measured as a unit of wealth. In the Tirukkural, education is considered to be wealth and the word used for wealth is madu, meaning cattle. So it has a socio-cultural connotation which denotes lives and livestock having co-existed and cultures having coined usages around them.

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Pulikulam. Credit: ICAR

The Pulikulam is a semi-domesticated breed. The bulls are known to attack anyone except their owners. They are mainly grazed in reserve forest lands. Herders need to be able to tame them without ropes as the nose ropes are removed while grazing.

How does one tame a bull without ropes? If you try to tackle it from the front, it will toss you with its horns; if you try to catch it from the back, it will kick with its legs. It’s also very agile and can turn around in a split second. The only option is to approach it from the side and grab the hump.

Why Jallikattu matters

Stud bulls are reared by people for jallikattu. The ones that win are much in demand for servicing the cows. Small farmers cannot afford to keep stud bulls, so each village has a common temple bull which services the cows of the village. Jallikattu is the show where bulls are brought and exhibited. The ones which are most agile (and virile) are preferred by farmers. The calves from such bulls are in demand.

The intricate connect between these events and farming can be seen from the chronological order in which showcase events like jallikattu happen first, then the shandies and then the main farming season starts. Once harvest is done, farmers take their bulls to participate in such events over the next few months; spectators and visitors make a note of the top bulls and seek them out in sandhais (cattle shandies/markets) which happen from December till April all over Tamil Nadu. The calves and bulls are bought for jallikattu and some of their offspring will be castrated and used as draught animals in transport/farming.

Stud bulls need to be alert, virile, and agile. In the peak of their reproductive period, they need to secrete the necessary male hormones and experience adrenalin rushes and pumping hearts. They need this for them to be virile. This is in the interest of the species as selective breeding is done to propagate the species. Stud bulls are used for jallikattu and mating only. Experienced bulls enjoy the situation and display a well thought out exit from the vaadi vaasal. Many of them show off by shaking their heads as a warning. This shows their familiarity with the Jallikattu event.

Many people who care for animals don’t understand that nature creates each species with unique characteristics and behaviour, and that within a species, a bull, an ox, a cow and calf all are different.

Male calves in other regions are sold and taken for slaughter in a few days. Only in regions where there are events like jallikattu are they kept. The owner of an imported cow will like it to deliver a female calf. If she does, it’s a windfall. If it’s a male calf then he will have no use for it and he has to feed it. It will go to the slaughter house for Rs. 500. A lot of mutton we eat is the meat of these under-one-week calves mixed with mutton. The same will happen to these native breeds if not for activities like jallikattu. With reduced availability of males, farmers will have to go in for artificial insemination, which is cost prohibitive and is directly in contravention of in-situ conservation. Unless there are bulls being bred and reared in the in-situ region, the genetic pool of the breed will not be healthy as no adaptation to changes in climate, local environment has been ingrained. We are messing with evolution when we abandon in-situ conservation with bulls and natural servicing/mating.

Native cows do not yield as much milk as the imported breeds. So they don’t have a supportive or sponsored breeding programme. Artificial means are not adopted for native breeds. So as a fall out of the banning of jallikattu, they will soon fade away and become extinct.

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Death of a temple bull covers the village in a pall of gloom. The funeral is conducted with utmost respect with women mourning and village priests carrying out rituals.

Under article 48 of the constitution of India the state has to endeavour to preserve and improve the breeds and prevent slaughter of cows and calves and other draught and milk cattle. Hence the Union government has to intervene in this issue.

According to principles 1, 2 & 3 of the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD), to which India is a signatory state, livestock keepers are creators of breeds and custodians of animal genetic resources for food and agriculture; livestock keepers and the sustainable use of traditional breeds are dependent on the conservation of their respective ecosystems; traditional breeds represent collective property, they are the products of indigenous knowledge and the cultural expression of livestock keepers.

Why is there so much opposition to jallikattu?

There are two angles to the opposition.

First is the urban disconnect with rural India and all that it entails. Policies are made by city folk. Just as we destroyed the lakes of Chennai and suffered the consequences of ignoring the traditional knowledge of villagers in building and maintaining water bodies, we are allowing the same urban mindset to get away with rampant destruction of our livestock and farming. If we look at media reports over the last decade or so, every headline screams about injuries in a jallikattu event. The focus of the urban editors and reporters has always been on sensationalising news and grabbing eyeballs. Fed with this constant diet over a decade, it’s no surprise that so many internet warriors are shouting about jallikattu.

In a year, there are 10,000 instances of a bull leaving the vaadi vaasal (gate) during jallikattu. Of the thousands of players who take part, hardly 50-100 get injured in a year, and deaths are much much less.

The second group is the dairy lobby, which wants all native breeds to be eradicated. Events like jallikattu throw a spanner in their plans of creating commercial dairy farms with imported breeds just like in the West.

Beef exporters also benefit from a ban on jallikattu and other events. Farmers bring their cattle to be sold in weekly/monthly and annual shandies. Brokers will take the cattle from the farmers and hold them to be displayed to prospective buyers. Buyers fall into 3-4 categories: (1) The jallikattu enthusiast who will buy the bulls and male calves mostly; (2) Buyers of oxen for farming/transport; (3) Buyers of cows for breeding and household usage; (4) Beef traders who are mostly if not all agents of export companies and slaughter houses based in Kerala. They buy all cattle as they are only interested in meat.

When a ban on jallikattu is in place, the simple supply-demand equation gets skewed. There are no takers in the first category, which means the bulls will only sought by the fourth category i.e. beef traders. With no demand from jallikattu enthusiasts, the price of such prized bulls falls to rock bottom. By killing the market for bulls to be used in jallikattu, the animal rights activists are directly responsible for sending them to slaughter. There is a huge demand for Bos Indicus variety beef in the Gulf, Malaysia and Western countries. It is considered an exotic and healthy meat, just like country chicken.

Misconceptions abound

The fist misconception is that jallikattu has anything in common with the Spanish bullfight. The two are very different. The sport in India is not about baiting or injuring the bull but of “embracing the bull”.

Does it harm the bull?

It is said that cruelty is meted out to animals by giving them alcohol, prodding and twisting their tails etc, that organisers beat the bulls, stuffing something pungent in their nostrils, confine them in a dark, suffocating place in order to enrage them.

The reality is different. Amidst all the regulations and scrutiny, which bull owner will risk giving alcohol to the bulls? Glucose water is given to them for stamina. Out of the 10,000 instances of bulls let out a year, the anti-jallikattu activists have produced images/videos of may be 7-8 bulls where an offence might have taken place. They have the power to identify the owner and take action against him under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act. Each bull is registered with the authorities, with photographs as well as the owner’s information.

Every rule has an exception. We regulate to curtail the exceptions, but not to end the sport. The approach of the activists from day one has been to end jallikattu at any cost.

Are there other means of conserving the breeds?

Each breed has evolved over several millennia and in a distinct way. One method of breed conservation will not work in another area, with another breed. Every place in the world where indigenous people have lived with their livestock, there are celebratory showcase events post-harvest like kambala buffalo water racing in the Dakshin Kannada region, Ongole stone pulling in central and coastal Andhra, rekla races in western Tamil Nadu and Theni, bailgada in Maharashtra with the Killari breed. Each event has evolved locally and has stood the test of time. In-situ conservation is the best method for conserving any breed. The lifetime and health of the species is extended only due to such events.

How is the game played?

Bulls are brought to the arena the previous day and tied in coconut groves around the village. Fodder is brought along and water is provided by the host villagers. Sometimes fodder is also provided. A team of veterinarians, animal welfare officials inspect the bulls and give a medical certificate. Before the event starts, they are lined up in batches of 15 close to the rear side of the vaadi vaasal.

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A bull waits its turn at the gate to the Palamedu jallikattu in Madurai. Credit: Manu Manohar/Flickr CC 2.0

After the temple bull of the host village has left the arena, each bull is taken into the vaadi vaasal, where Animal Welfare officers are present. The nose rope of the bull is cut and the bull is free to run. Young bulls and untrained ones participating for the first few times hesitate to leave the vaadi and are prodded by their owners. It is not easy to move them as they weigh anywhere between 250-350 kilos. The experienced bulls (which have long memories) are familiar with jallikattu events and offer their head to the owners to cut the rope. They plan their exit from the vaadi vaasal and time their jump to avoid the players. These are intelligent animals and have evolved in this environment over millennia.

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This bull cannot be caught as he has perfectly timed his jump to reach a height of 8-10 feet and will land a good 10-12 feet away from the vaadi vaasal. By the time he lands, he would have cleared most of the players. Credit: Special Arrangement

The sport consists of holding on to the hump of the bull and running along with it for a given distance usually about 20-30 meters which is covered in barely 10-20 seconds.

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This bull used a different technique of charging while jumping. Notice how that has put fear into the players. with their eyes closed. Credit: Special Arrangement

Although a few hundred players are present in the arena, only 2-3 attempt to get close to the bull and only 1 has a shot at grabbing the hump. Everything happens so fast that most players hit the dirt and the bulls go free.

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The bulls are not in fear, but the players are. Credit: Special Arrangement

After leaving the arena, they go to a barricaded collection area of about 44,000 sq. ft. where experienced herders await the owners. Owners follow the bulls from the vaadi into the collection arena, this takes about 5-10 minutes. Once they enter, the herders help the owners rope in the bulls and take them out of the collection arena. 1-2 bulls will refuse to be roped and charge at everyone, some of them jump out of the collection area and make a run for it. Most of them head in the direction of their villages. There is the occasional injury due to the bulls not being roped.

A ban will be fatal

Under the Convention on Biological Diversity and heritage status practices worldwide, it is customary that these ancient traditional practices are left as they are but with rules to organise and regulate them.

If jallikattu is banned, livestock keepers will be forced to abandon the raising of native livestock, which already stands threatened due to the extensive use of motor pumps, tractors and mechanised agriculture. If the sport is banned, it would be the death knell of native cattle species in Tamil Nadu.

We will not only lose our breeds but also our self-sufficiency in milk production as well as promotion of organic farming. If we lose our breeds and import foreign breeds, multinational commercial companies will dominate the dairy industry in India. The livelihood of millions in rural India is at stake here.

People who want a ban on jallikattu are far removed from village life and do not know how this chain works.

The Supreme Court and the Government of India needs to look at the big picture behind jallikattu. The Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) supports traditional practices to keep the chain intact and thus enable conservation of native breeds. As an ancient nation with an ancient practice going back millennia, jallikattu should be preserved. There is no torture of any animal of any sort that takes place during the sport and the evidence of this can be seen from live media telecasts. The time a bull spends engaged in the sport is less than 30 seconds. If required, rules can be implemented to enhance the safety of the animals and men if required.

India has already lost many cattle breeds and it can’t afford to lose any more.


Himakiran Anugula is an organic farmer and entrepreneur based in Chennai. He is a trustee of SKCRF (www.kangayambu...om), an organisation working to conserve native breed cattle in Tamil Nadu.

Source: http://thewire.in/2016/01/13/banning-jallikattu...

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Three days back @KaatuPoochi and I had a heated discussion over the Jallikattu issue. I had many of the misconceptions mentioned in the above article because of which I was supporting its ban. But his link to a video discussing the issue in a Tamil TV channel cleared many of my misconceptions and I started looking for more info about it. That’s when I came across this enlightening article. Hope it clears the misconceptions that many others may be harbouring without knowing the real scenario. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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@DealSeeker wrote:

@Magus This seems very similar to the “Running of the Bulls” organized in Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the...ls

Here is the Wikipedia article on JalliKattu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jall...tu. Contribute there. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_wink.gif


No, this similarity is only apparent. See this:

Spanish tradition says the true origin of the run began in northeastern Spain during the early 14th century. While transporting cattle in order to sell them at the market, men would try to speed the process by hurrying their cattle using tactics of fear and excitement.

But Jallikattu is primarily an indigenous (and an intelligent) method of species breeding. One may even call it cattle eugenics. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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@Magus wrote:
…One may even call it cattle eugenics. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif


That term is so repulsive for me because of its racial connection.

But thanks for educating me on that big difference.

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@DealSeeker wrote:

That term is so repulsive for me because of its racial connection.


haha! Every thing gets contaminated when it falls into the wrong hands! https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_wink.gif

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So wherever such kind of sport is not there, there won’t be any indigenous species left? Bullshit. All reasons given to support the event are bullshit.

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Bro, nicely summed up. I truly wish Dravidian parties are sacked out in this election.

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India has exported 23lakh ton beef per year..
Where is peta..?
@Magus will you pls translate this..?

#வாடிவாசலுக்கு வர #ஜல்லிக்கட்டு காளைகளை எப்படி வளப்போம்னு தெரியுமா?…

மாட்டு மந்தைல தான் இஷ்டப்படி வளருற கன்னுக்குட்டிய தேர்ந்தெடுப்போம்.
சுழி சுத்தமாவும் ரோசமாவும் இருக்கும் . யார் தொட வந்தாலும் முட்டா வரும் , துள்ளும்.
பகல்ல கையோட பிடிச்சிகிட்டே மேய வைச்சு இராத்திரி பசும்புல்லை அறுத்து போடுவோம்.
கழுத்து தேய கூடாதுன்னு நூல் கயிறுகட்டி எங்க கையில இருக்க பிடி கயித்தை இறுக்கி வைப்போம்.
கண்ட கருமத்தை திங்க கூடாதுன்னு வாய்க்கூடு போட்டு, கார்த்திகை மார்கழில அதிகாலை பனிப்புல்லை மேய வைச்சு, தண்ணி அதிகம் போய் வயிறு பெருத்திடாம அளவா தினையும் சோளம் தண்ணியில கலந்து சத்தா கொடுத்து புண்ணாக்கு ,பருத்தி , அருகம்புல், துவரை எல்லாம் போட்டு உறுதியாக்குவோம். மூக்கணாங்கயிறு போட்டா புள்ளைக்கு குத்தும்னு கழுத்து கயிறை மட்டும் பிடிச்சு வாரத்துல ஒரு நாள் குளம், வாய்க்கா, ஆத்துக்கு கொண்டு போய் சாயங்காலமா நீச்சல் அடிக்க விடுவோம்.
நல்லா மேல் முடி விழுக தேச்சி கழுவி,எட்டு பல்லு விழுந்த பிறகு தான் மூக்கணாங்கயிறே போடுவோம். கத்திரி, அவரைன்னு பகல்லையும், பருத்தி விதையை ஊறப்போட்டு மதியத்துக்கும் சுத்தமான வைக்கோல் போட்டு வளர்ப்போம்….
மட்டமான ஏதாவது சாப்பிட்டு பல்லு போய்டக்கூடாதின்னு. சுக்கு, மொளவு, திப்பிலி, சீரகம், கசகசா, ஓமம், பூண்டு, மொளவாவத்த, கெராம்பு, சாதிக்கா, கடுக்கா, அதிமதுரம், உப்பு, சின்ன வெங்காயம், மல்லி, பெருங்காயம், ஏலக்கா, பனைவெல்லம் எல்லாத்தையும் ஒரல்ல போட்டு இடிச்ச பொடிதான் சத்து மருந்தா கொடுத்து அருகம்புல்லு , ஆவாரம்பூவு ,அவர இல ஆல இல , கொய்யா இல, எலுமிச்ச இல ,தூதுவள , வேப்பிலை, அரச இல மொடக்காத்தா இல பொன்னாங்கண்ணி , அகத்தி , முருங்க இல ,வில்வ இல , செம்பருத்தி , சோத்துக்கத்தாழ சிறியாநங்க , வாழப்பூவு , வெத்தல பெரண்டெல, மணத்தக்காளி மொசுமொசுக்கை , கீழாநெல்லி புதினா , குப்பமேனி , நிலவேம்பு வெட்டிவேரு வேலிப்பருத்தி தொளசி ஆடுதொடாஎல வல்லார இதெல்லாம் நறுக்கி போட்டு ரெண்டு மூனு நாளு காயவச்சு ஒரல்ல இடிச்சி பொடிச்சு ஒன்னா கலந்து கைத்தண்டி உருண்ட பிடிச்சி அதை மஞ்சள் கூட சேர்த்து மூனு மாசத்துக்கு ஒரு தடவை கொடுக்கனும் அப்ப தான் எந்த நோயும் வராது உடலுக்கு ஏத்த பலம் காலுக்கு வேணுமின்னு காட்டுப்பக்கம் நடக்க வைச்சு,அத சீண்டி,
செம்மண்னை குத்த விட்டு பழக்கி தான் வாடிவாசல்க்கே வரும். அடேய் அதுவரை அந்த பயலை ஒரு புள்ளத்தாச்சி மாதிரி பார்த்துக்குவோம்டா,……..
அப்படி வளக்குற காளை கஷ்டப்பட நாங்க எப்படிறா விடுவோம். உங்களோட பிழைப்பு வாத அரசியலுக்கும் இது தானாடா கிடைச்சது. மனிதம் மயிறுன்னு கிளம்பி வந்துடுவாங்க..!!
சாமியா நெனச்சி கும்புடுற தெய்வத்தை நாங்க எப்டிடா கொடுமை படுத்துவோம் நொண்ணைகளா..!!

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@ymind13 wrote:

So wherever such kind of sport is not there, there won’t be any indigenous species left? Bullshit. All reasons given to support the event are bullshit.


You raise a question but don’t wait for an answer and conclude things with your half baked brain. That’s worse than bullshit. Even I had the same question earlier but got it cleared from various other sources. But I am not going to share it with you since you seem to be incapable of appreciating anything reasonable. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_evil.gif

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@KaatuPoochi On mobile now. Will try tomorrow. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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Magus Will you pls translate this ..?

  1. # Jallikattu bulls come vativacal valappomnu know how? …

Cow’s own valarura kannukkuttiya choose mantaila.
Rocamavum Purge will be zero. The fool who comes to touch, prancing.
Browse piticcikitte handed.Now pakalla vaiccu put off pacumpullai night.
Our hands should not be kayirukatti teya thread neck will keep a tight grip kayittai.
Vaykkutu do not see the dark Monday, Nov markalila vaiccu pasture morning smog, much water has gone belly Chadha attended peruttitama measure tanniyila corn millet cake, cotton, Arukampul, pigeon pea sure to put everything. Bota mukkanankayiru neck wound ribbon kuttumnu only gone to the pool for a day of the week, canals, swimming cayankalama beat will go to Adel.
Tecci viluka hair washed up just fine, because after eight teeth mukkanankayire fix fallen. Scissor, avarainnu daylight, put clean straw, cotton seed and cultivate … urappottu noon.
Poytakkutatinnu eaten something damn teeth. Sal, the molavu, tippili, cumin, poppy seeds, basil, garlic, molavavatta, kerampu, achieve, katukka, licorice, salt, onion, coriander, asafetida, elakka, Jaggery, everything oralla put iticca potitan nutritional medicine given arukampullu, avarampuvu, Awara No. Banyan No, No. guava, elumicca No, tutuvala, Neem, State No. of No. motakkatta ponnankanni, Agatti, Murunkan No, No. arcuate, hibiscus, cottukkattala ciriyananka, valappuvu, vettala perantela, manattakkali mocumocukkai, kilanelli mint, kuppameni, chiretta vettiveru velipparutti atutotaela tolaci Cut off all the awesome three nalu vallara kayavaccu oralla iticci poticcu mixed together kaittanti piticci it rolled along even three yellow masa, then the doctor will not give a time line for the body and leg strength to walk kattuppakkam venuminnu vaiccu, truncation provoke,
Gravel is getting left behind will vativacalkke. Until then the payalai parttukkuvomta atey a pullattacci model, …… ..
Eppatira valakkura we will suffer like the bull. Tanata kitaiccatu politics which is your livelihood. Mayirunnu return to humanity .. !!
Let eptita nonnaikala horrible we feel needed Saamiya kumputura god .. !!

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Washington based NGO PETA convinced urban elite of North India within one day to ban south Indian cultural festival event jallikattu. Wah wah..

Many issues involved here. First why is this Delhi based self proclaimed supreme Court didn’t hear what jallikattu pro petitioners has to say since 11 months but immediately heard this western NGO within days. Is justice only for privileged? Or is that villagers are savages according to courts? How many American PETA workers eat beef? While the Spanish proudly present their bull fighting culture, urban elite of India trying to crush age old traditions. While Spanish bull fight is a real bull fight jallikattu translates literally as Bull Hug. So, this is another case of literary terrorism by NGOs claiming bull hug as bull fight and what not.

Dear Lords of supreme Court who forms opinions based on western NGOs and communist channels like NDTV & The Hindu, why is so much hatred for anything native to India.

We are mistaken if this is considered as isolated event. Beef eating, Western thinking, liberal elite of North are doing this to every popular event. Latest is Sabarimala entry to women. Funnily, all feminist petitioners are women from North India who don’t have any connection with south. Why don’t they ask women devotees of south? Even more idiotic thing is some lawyers petitioned it and court delivered judgement. Where is actual aam aadmi involved here. Democracy my foot.

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@KaatuPoochi wrote:

@[email protected]_0_0_D What is this ? https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_eek.gif


TIMLISH https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_biggrin.gif

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…Democracy my foot.


+1

In that TV debate I mentioned, 49 out of the 50 animal lovers had never seen what actually happened in the ground even once.
They all rely on YouTube and Newspapers but call themselves educated. LMAO!

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nice share #Banpeta

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@Magus bro, its an enlightening read!

@thalateam… why this outrage on Peta just because they called for a ban on Jallikattu? They do a lot of good stuff for animals, has grew a lot in popularity and power such that they were able to achieve many changes – KFC’s treatment of chicken, boycotting inhumane animal testing / slaughtering etc.

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@Magus wrote:

Three days back @KaatuPoochi and I had a heated discussion over the Jallikattu issue. I had many of the misconceptions mentioned in the above article because of which I was supporting its ban. But his link to a video discussing the issue in a Tamil TV channel cleared many of my misconceptions and I started looking for more info about it. That’s when I came across this enlightening article. Hope it clears the misconceptions that many others may be harbouring without knowing the real scenario. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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Provide link to that video..

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Heard/Seen numerous evidences supporting Dravidians as Original inhabitants of Indus valley Civilization.
This one is awesome

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@superman wrote:

Provide link to that video..


www.hotstar.com/tv/neeya-naana/1584/pongal-spec...
Are you Tamil? Even if you aren’t, it’s not an issue. 50% of the discussion is in English, thanks to the highly “educated” animal lovers from the city. So you can easily follow the discussion. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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@thalateam wrote:

nice share #Banpeta


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So what if jallikattu is an age-old tradition, SC asks Centre

The NDA government invoked tales from the Mahabharata to urge the Supreme Court to lift its ban on the “ancient sport” of jallikattu, arguing that the bull-taming sport, banned since 2014 by the apex court for cruelty, is good for maintaining bio-diversity.

The Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change (MoEF) justified its January 7, 2016 notification issued to circumvent the apex court ban by allowing the exhibition and use of bulls for jallikattu and bullock-cart races, saying that jallikattu “encourages breeding of indigenous bulls.”

The apex court is hearing a batch of petitions filed by various NGOs like Compassion Unlimited Plus Action, People for Ethical Treatment of Animals India and the Federation of Indian Animal Protection Organisations, challenging the MoEF notification of January 7.

The Supreme Court had stayed the notification on January 12.

“You say that jallikattu is an age-old tradition, so was child marriage until it was declared a crime,” a Bench of Justices Dipak Misra and Rohinton F. Nariman observed on Tuesday.

The court said its job was to look into the constitutionality of the January 7 notification.

When senior advocate Shekhar Naphade, representing Tamil Nadu, wanted the case to be referred to a larger Bench, the court said the parties must prove that the two-judge Bench judgment banning jallikattu in 2014 was bad in law.

The MoEF drew on the ancient epic of Mahabharata to justify bringing bulls back into the ring.

“The epic cites Lord Krishna controlling a violent bull in the atrium of King Kamsa’s palace. In another chapter, Lord Krishna tames seven bulls to marry Princess Naganajiti, daughter of King Nagnajit of the Kosala kingdom which later prospered into a tradition in the Velir kingdom of Tamil Nadu,” the MoEF said in an affidavit placed before the Bench.

Unlike the Romans who viewed animals as “fierce creatures” fit to be killed or like the Greeks, who saw them as “symbols of power”, ancient India saw bulls as “friendly, loyal and graceful.”

The MoEF said its notification had put into place enough safeguards to ensure that bulls are not tortured, thus making the 2014 ban redundant. The ban, it said, had affected the fundamental right to life and livelihood of “millions” in the southern parts of India. The MoEF said the NGOs could not have approached the Supreme Court under Article 32 of the Constitution as this case did not deal with the fundamental rights of human beings but involved the rights of animals.

Earlier in March, Tamil Nadu had claimed that ‘Jalli’ was the name of a “Yadav brave man with history dating back to the period of Lord Krishna.”

The State’s affidavit had found links from both ancient Tamil literature and Sangam era “and beyond.”

Tamil Nadu had asked why Jallikattu was illegal when bull-fighting had officially been accepted as part of the cultural heritage in other countries.

Source: http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/like-jallik...


Wow! What a comparison! Even a judge of the supreme court in this country is so well informed about things. There is no hope for this country. https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

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@Magus wrote:

Wow! What a comparison! Even a judge of the supreme court in this country is so well informed about things. There is no hope for this country. https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_sad.gif

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Er…I don’t think its in any of our purview to call a Supreme court judge’s decision stupid. Obviously, they are much more qualified than us…and in a case like this …that has been fought for about 5 years with much public scrutiny…its more likely that people who differ with the Supreme court are in the wrong…esp when the court’s decision was a strongly worded one-sided one combating a Government that is hell-bent on converting the populist view into a vote bank.

The Supreme court had allowed for the continuation of jallikattu in 2010 but with stringent regulations and monitoring by Dist. authorities and a team of veterinarians at every event. But it took it 4 years to realise that all the regulations amount to nothing as the regulators cant be dutiful in a euphoric environment filled with thousands of ecstatic people with strong opposition to regulation from all political parties. It also realised that the whole sport in essence is unrealistic without animal cruelty as bulls are tame animals and nothing would instigate them to run amok with such rage and fear if not for considerable pain inflicted on them(viz: biting and twisting their tails, poking it with sharp sticks, electrocuting its testicles, rubbing chemicals into its eyes).

Conserving different breeds is a different subject altogether…We have arrived at point where human interference is necessary to counter itself… to conserve diversity esp. in a world filled with human greed and commercialisation where animals are increasingly exploited by selective breeding….but at the expense of animal suffering?? absolutely not. If conserving breeds is the sole motivation…an NGO with no ulterior motives of exploiting the animal later is a better fit to do the job. Infact, jallikattu itself can be modified into a mela for auction of animals without all this masochistic drama.

And its very wrong to call this an act of elitist urban reformists who are far removed from their traditional roots. They were called the same things when they were crusading against the social evils of Sati, superstitions and dowry. People who argue that other countries have similar traditional practices should start growing a spine and respect the fact that India is an independent country with its own constitution and is capable of making its own decisions and stand as a model country for morality and law-making on the world stage. And to the ones who consider themselves above all animals and exhibit a complete disregard for animal pain and suffering…well…slavery, racism, casteism, misogyny, anti-semitism…were built upon the same ideals. And to people who argue that “Why the hell don’t you speak about halaal meat? Where are you during bakrid? Why do you wake up only during Diwali, Kali puja and jallikattu?” I respectfully bestow you with both my middle fingers.

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@raven_kira wrote:

Er…I don’t think its in any of our purview to call a Supreme court judge’s decision stupid. Obviously, they are much more qualified than us…and in a case like this …that has been fought for about 5 years with much public scrutiny…its more likely that people who differ with the Supreme court are in the wrong…esp when the court’s decision was a strongly worded one-sided one combating a Government that is hell-bent on converting the populist view into a vote bank.

The Supreme court had allowed for the continual of jallikattu in 2010 but with stringent regulations and monitoring by Dist. authorities and a team of veterinarians at every event. But it took it 4 years to realise that all the regulations amount to nothing as the regulators cant be dutiful in a euphoric environment filled with thousands of ecstatic people. It also realised that the whole sport in essence is unrealistic without animal cruelty as bulls are tame animals and nothing would instigate them to run amok with such rage and fear if not for considerable pain inflicted on them(viz: biting and twisting their tails, poking it with sharp sticks, electrocuting its testicles, rubbing chemicals into its eyes).

Conserving different breeds is a different subject altogether…We have arrived at point where human interference is necessary to counter itself… to conserve diversity esp. in a world filled with human greed and commercialisation where animals are increasingly exploited by selective breeding….but at the expense of animal suffering?? absolutely not. If conserving breeds is the sole motivation…an NGO with no ulterior motives of exploiting the animal later is a better fit to do the job. Infact, jallikattu itself can be modified into an mela for auction of animals without all this masochistic drama.

And its very wrong to call this an act of elitist urban reformists who are far removed from their traditional roots. They were called the same things when they were crusading against the social evils of Sati, superstitions and dowry. People who argue that other countries have similar traditional practices should start growing a spine and respect the fact that India is an independent country with its own constitution and is capable of making its own decisions and stand as a model country for morality and law-making on the world stage. And to the ones who consider themselves above all animals and exhibit a complete disregard for animal pain and suffering…well…slavery, racism, casteism, misogyny, anti-semitism…were built upon the same ideals. And to people who argue that “Why the hell don’t you speak about halaal meat? Where are you during bakrid? Why do you wake up only during Diwali, Kali puja and jallikattu?” I respectfully bestow you with both my middle fingers.


More qualified in what? Legal proceedings, for sure. But not in common sense, I’m afraid. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

Yes, the government does this only for votes. Agreed. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

Unfortunately, we don’t have any other way of determining the most virile bull who would ensure healthy progeny, as of now. The supporters say they will be ready to accept it if anyone gives them a valid alternative.
Check this out: http://www.kangayambull.com/about...tm
The head of this trust, Kartikeya Senapathy is doing a commendable job in conserving the indigenous cattle breeds. Listening to him speak in a debate cleared many of my misconceptions.
Jallikattu is a time-tested program for healthy propagation of species. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

Lastly, I appreciate your gesture of giving the middle fingers to such dumb-heads! https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_biggrin.gif

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@raven_kira You have got some writing skills, bro! Do you blog? PM me.

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@raven_kira You have got some writing skills, bro! …



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