buyback questions

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kukdookoo
as discussed in other thread, making new thread for this

thanks all @Demon_slayer @Jarvis.-. @malikcool @legend101 @Rajkotian
kg+ pending

- In buyback, does it matter if buyback request is placed on last date or on the first date?

- https://console.zerodha.com/portfolio/corporate... we just have to enter the number of shares here that we want to buyback and its done? tcs sent a tender form for demat shares in mail, do we need to fill and scan it and then send it to tcs or will zerodha take care of everything?

- As per this page https://console.zerodha.com/portfolio/corporate...
there are charges of 20+gst. These will be deducted from zerodha brokerage account? Any other charges besides this?

- As per tcs mail the buyback start date is from Friday but as per zerodha corporate page it is Offer start date 2023-11-29 17:42:00 How come?

- Under demat authorisation, isnt eDis more secure than DDPI/POA? What option have you guys enabled in your account?

- @Demon_slayer paji you mentioned in other thread that on buybacks there is no stt, stamp duty and that they are tax free for investors. Suppose profit is 1k from buybacks then it won't be added into gross income at the time of filing ITR? In that example the guy was holding it for 2+ years, what if one bought it 6 months ago?

- A different question, what is the meaning of auctions under bids in zerodha? it is showing only 2 stocks from the total holdings there with number mentioned like #20 #400 etc.

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Benevolent Benevolent
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claim tax exemption under 10(34)A

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if 83 shares are held on record date then why is the entitlement zero? @Jarvis.-. @Demon_slayer
Benevolent Benevolent
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@kukdookoo at the time of wipro, i was holding 30 shares and i think had 7 shares in entitlement
but i applied for all 30 shares and 21 shares was approved.
Try your luck
Benevolent Benevolent
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if 83 shares are held on record date then why is the entitlement zero? @Jarvis.-. @Demon_slayer
Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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@kukdookoo Well entitlement ratio is fixed after considering every single person and entity that holds the stock. So they set what each person is entitled to get.


But the thing is, not everybody who has the stock is going to apply for buyback. Most people are blissful unaware there is a buyback going on, some people are in it for the long term then there are institutions like mutual funds that wouldn't likely participate.


So, the actual no. Of people who apply are much less than the total no. Of shareholders.  So your new entitlement gets higher after the application ends what you received in you mail was decided with everyone who has the stock in consideration. It's premature.
You will always get atleast 1 share bought back, chances are more than entitlement.

You are definitely eligible @ arko1983650. Probably have to apply in HNI category as the stock holding is more than 2lacs. Acceptance is like 1/3 in that category but it's something right?
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Benevolent Benevolent
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A question, for stocks normally sold and not in buyback, from the realized profit do we subtract all the charges while showing the figure in ITR? And for losses do we add these charges and show that figure?

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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simple
money you put - money you take out = income
so all charges have to be substracted
Benevolent Benevolent
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@malikcool

paji how many accepted and are you reinvesting at current levels?

Pro Shopping Friend Pro Shopping Friend
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17 shares accepted out of 50. Not investing at current levels.
Benevolent Benevolent
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@Demon_slayer

seems taxes are borne by the stock holder paji

Consideration for the Equity Shares accepted in the Buyback is credited to your bank account. If your bank account details are not available or if the fund transfer instruction is rejected by the RBI or relevant Bank, due to any reasons, then the amount payable to you will be transferred to your broker for onward transfer to you. Applicable taxes, charges, stamp duty and expenses (including brokerage), if any, may be deducted from the consideration paid to you. The Manager to the Buyback and the Company accepts no responsibility to bear or pay any additional cost, applicable taxes, charges, stamp duty and expenses (including brokerage), and such costs will be incurred solely by you.

Can you share any link that says that there will be no income tax impact?

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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Taxes with regard to sale of the shares. Income tax is not among them. Income tax is exempt you don't have to worry about it.


Taxes such as stt, gst, stamp duty are levied when a share is sold, a buyback is now considered as sale I guess. The rules are evolving.


There is no income tax because the company pays Taxes on your behalf.p
Benevolent Benevolent
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@Demon_slayer they accepted 2 for me but they have deducted charges like stt, gst etc. from the payable amount. You said that no charges on buyback+ no income tax also? + @Jarvis.-.
Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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That's how it was before. This is charged by your broker, let's wait and see.


There are no taxes that's for sure.
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Benevolent Benevolent
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19 shares out of 55 shares accepted in tcs buyback, if anyone bought shares at 3300 level he made good money this time

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congrats paji. when will money for the same credited in account? and will you be able to use that money to rebuy the same the same day?
edit- u got sms or mail for this
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How to apply for buyback in Groww?

Benevolent Benevolent
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login to your account and apply through this link https://groww.in/bu...ck do confirm the charges if u find, they are waiving it for some users
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@Demon_slayer @Jarvis.-. @malikcool @legend101 @Rajkotian

under portfolio analytics> insights zerodha asks if a user wants to share holdings with tickertape to provide analytics. is it safe to do so? what analytics do they provide if anyone has shared it?

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Safe but useless.

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Generous Generous
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@kukdookoo Auction means, when someone shorts/sells the share which they don't have with them in Demat, but delivery is supposed to be given then they have to buy it from the auction market where someone else will give their shares with higher price than the market. 

Generally Brokers settles this internally, but Zerodha gave an opportunity to everyone to participate in Auction and offer their shares for the higher than the market prices.

Demand for such shares changes on the daily basis. So you will see different names and quantity eligible.

Benevolent Benevolent
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thanks bro

but Zerodha gave an opportunity to everyone to participate in Auction and offer their shares for the higher than the market prices.

just checked auction price are less than market price. how come?
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Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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can I apply in buyback or it seems my chances are zero

Generous Generous
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Try your luck!

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Benevolent Benevolent
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claim tax exemption under 10(34)A

Benevolent Benevolent
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thanks bro
where exactly is this section in itr1 and itr2? so first add profit, if any, in total income and then add the same amount in 10(34)a to make it exempt and it will automatically reduce it while calculating tax?
Deal Newbie Deal Newbie
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I have bought only 1 share of TcS and I received a mail that my shares which are eligible are zero.

What does that mean ?

Generous Generous
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That means TCS is not offering you assured buyback quantity. You can still offer whatever shares are with you. If not everyone gives their shares in buyback, then there are chances that yours will be accepted.

Deal Subedar Deal Subedar
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You can place request until last minute, it doesn't matter.

Yes, that's the procedure, no need to do anything else .

That's zerodha's brokerage charge, nothing else I think.

Zerodha will probably collect the applications and submit it starting next date.

e-dis is secure I guess. I never gave poa, have always used e-dis.

As for income tax, you should add it your gross income and declare it as exempt.

Auctions are done when you are in short position and couldn't cover it. But you are saying your holding is shown as auction? Am I right?

Benevolent Benevolent
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thanks bro.

As for income tax, you should add it your gross income and declare it as exempt

how to declare it as exempt? i mean in which section to show it as exempt in itr1 and itr2?

Auctions are done when you are in short position and couldn't cover it. But you are saying your holding is shown as auction? Am I right?

not the tcs one but other stocks, no trading here. Why is it showing like that?



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Deal Cadet Deal Cadet
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5. Always use 'edis' until n unless you don't have ample time and can't do OTP verification (Like Phone Trading). 

6. No tax for individual investor. The company pay the tax on complete buyback value.

7. TCS - Entitled Ratio 17%. So, they will buy only 17% of your complete holding

Benevolent Benevolent
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thanks bro

6. Suppose profit is 1.8k, if whole buyback is allowed, then we dont have to add that amount in total income at the time of filing ITR?

did they announce anywhere this 17% entitled ratio?
Benevolent Benevolent
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1. NO

2. put no of shares and submit ...zerodha will take care of everything 

3. 20+gst will deducted from zerodha account no other charges

4. zerodha collect all order then sent at the last day or as per their own system so they allow bidding even before actual date 

5. yes edis is more secure 

6. whole buyback amount is exempt no profit loss calculation needed doesn't matter when or how much price someone bought the share 

7. no idea

Benevolent Benevolent
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thanks bro.
6. Suppose profit is 1.8k, if whole buyback is allowed, then we dont have to add that amount in total income at the time of filing ITR?
7. if u dont mind then can you please check that section in your app and see if its showing anything?
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