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FARMERS PROTEST

What do you guys think on the day by day increasing agitation of the farmers around Delhi against the new farm laws. Farmers have also called for a nationwide one day strike on 8th December.

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Simbha3 wrote:

Settings msp in that case will help them no?

Help kya bhai ye hi hona chahiye…kabhi ye suna hai ki koi car company ki 2 lakh rs laagat hai car manufacture karne ki aur use badle me sirf 1.5 lakh mil rha hai sale karne par same for any other companies/corporates…ye jo open market system hai…iske koi bhi msp jaisi protection nhi hai farmers ke liye…price discovery ke naam pe exploit kiya jaata farmers ko…aur 2,4,5 acre wale farmers ke pass itni power kahaa ki koi awaaz utha sake private cash rich companies ke aage!


Farmers ko bhi patta hai ki 2-3 years unko ye private silos wale msp se zyaada rate denge baadme jab unka market share monopoly type ho jaayega to govt ke liye easy ho jasyega msp remove karna..

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They have come with an insane law and same kind of law are in European countries and USA and suicide in rural America in more in compare to urban America and mostly farmers sucide. And average compensation in European countries and USA is 60000$ and in India is 60$. And USA has largest retail buyers Walmart. Rip economic advisor of govt.

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silentOBSERVER wrote:

That’s true…the big stockists have started to stock it as the new laws allow anyone to stock as much as they can and then they can create shortness in the market for the prices to shoot up and then dump there stockpiles

No law allows that! Hoarding is illegal and punishable!!
Edit: Just read! This is just horrible

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Luciferofhell wrote:

They have come with an insane law and same kind of law are in European countries and USA and suicide in rural America in more in compare to urban America and mostly farmers sucide. And average compensation in European countries and USA is 60000$ and in India is 60$. And USA has largest retail buyers Walmart. Rip economic advisor of govt.

The same type of reform has already been tried in bihar in 2006 and we are still figuring out the level of destruction and havoc it caused to the farmers of bihar.

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Seems like from all this only private companies will get benefit.

Farmers will be now controlled by these private players instead of middle man. I see no benifit to them..

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silentOBSERVER wrote:

Went through the same…inflation has already shooted up..but the prices of veggies haven’t caught the same pace…swaminathan report has given an ideal situation which is not at all possible but the report has also not given any point for the application/formation of these laws

I wished you referred the original report (there are 6 reports) but for basic understanding just read from page 146 of 3rd report available at (http://agricoop.nic.in/sites/default/files/NCF3...) which specifically talks about how APMC acts are harming the farmers more and opening up the sector can help them.

Further, most of sectors of our economy has been liberalised, don’t let heavy regulation kill the most labour employing sector as they did others till 1991.

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silentOBSERVER wrote:

Are you concerned about the government? As you wrote "those who are concerned about the farmers "..
The most basic thing the farmers are asking the government to repeal those new laws brother…

Clever assumption but was just suggesting some readings to those who want to settle their curiosity. Otherwise, 50% workforce is going to stay poor, why do I care I about politics. Let the fruits of liberalization be eaten by rich/upper/ middle class. Farmer ka kya hai, hamey toh sasta saaman chaiye.

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Bimbasar wrote:

I wished you referred the original report (there are 6 reports) but for basic understanding just read from page 146 of 3rd report available at (http://agricoop.nic.in/sites/default/files/NCF3...) which specifically talks about how APMC acts are harming the farmers more and opening up the sector can help them.

Further, most of sectors of our economy has been liberalised, don’t let heavy regulation kill the most labour employing sector as they did others till 1991.

If you get problem in your leg then you go for the treatment of the leg or you just cut the leg brother…apmc have there flaws but discrediting them with the help of new farm laws is not the solutions. No timely election of apmc chairperson etc are the real issues, that should have been done. Apmc structure needs to be treated instead of cutting them. The same opening of farming sector has already been performed in bihar in 2006 and we still can’t count the ups and down.

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silentOBSERVER wrote:

If you get problem in your leg then you go for the treatment of the leg or you just cut the leg brother…apmc have there flaws but discrediting them with the help of new farm laws is not the solutions. No timely election of apmc chairperson etc are the real issues, that should have been done. Apmc structure needs to be treated instead of cutting them. The same opening of farming sector has already been performed in bihar in 2006 and we still can’t count the ups and down.

Factually incorrect.

1. Apmc (problematic leg) is staying, it just the other avenues for farmers to open eg dairy/fisheries etc are not bound by it and look the amount of money it kicks in for farmers. Agar problematic leg ek saath zindagi nikali hai, toh nikalo koi tension nahi hai.

2. Bihar eg is inaccurate as apmc is not being abolished but an another option is provided.

3. Hence, everything isn’t about cutting the leg but treating it when your are clearly limping on it.

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androgame wrote:

I don’t think dimers have any say here (unless someone is also a farmer)
It’s between the government and farmers.
We should be supporting the farmers in all cases though, governments keep coming and going, farmers are permanent smile

But people are saying farmers don’t protest.. rolleyes rolleyes

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androgame wrote:

That is what they are asking, MSP for each and every crop (MSP is currently limited to very few crops)
Secondly, the system is corrupt, for many crops MSP is there in papers, but actual market trades don’t happen that way. Farmers don’t have any bargaining power due to perishable nature of their produce and no grievance redressal mechanism.

MSP is given for 25 commodities and only 2 are undertaken for procurement (wheat + rice) that too only because pds ma wapas dena hota hai otherwise. MSP is other joke as govt don’t procure and farmer can’t sell as you aren’t allowed too. And punjab and haryan is on forefront because 80% of wheat and rice is procured from them only.

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androgame wrote:

Aren’t we already paying more wink

One of the demands of farmers is to abolish law against stubble/field burning which puts millions at health risk including families of farmers. They do it because it’s cheap & easy to do compared to other methods. If they are suggested any other means it’ll cost money – either farmers will bear the cost or government or it’ll be passed to consumers. To do things the right way it costs money. Just one of the many aspects why developed nations are said to have higher standard of life.

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As a farmer’s son my questions 1.if mandis are closed how will govt procure for pds 2. Without mandi how price discovery happen 3.middleman abolition is a myth . infact corporate will have high bargaining power aganist farmers than local traders 4. U can’t have right to go to court if dispute arises local authority will solve how will it work 5.if predatatory pricing is done by corporates how will u fix it 6.govt saying u can sell anywhere in india.how it is possible because logistics cost is very high 7.hoarding in any quantity is legal u can easily manipulate price

Last but not least don’t shade farmers as khalistanins / terrorist

I fully support this movement and law should be scrapped

Infact in this bill consumer and farmers will be loser and big corporate will be winner

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cadence wrote:

One of the demands of farmers is to abolish law against stubble/field burning which puts millions at health risk including families of farmers. They do it because it’s cheap & easy to do compared to other methods. If they are suggested any other means it’ll cost money – either farmers will bear the cost or government or it’ll be passed to consumers. To do things the right way it costs money. Just one of the many aspects why developed nations are said to have higher standard of life.

Let the poor suffer, don’t give money in their hands, purchasing power he nahi hogi toh equipment is ta ta bye bye, poverty porn zindabad + 3% population is footing the bill of whole nation. Desh ko competition se dikat hai, toh sirf kahana paani ka intejaam hona chaiye. North India is already gas chamber, living standard is below average, sabko paisa kamana hai but dusrey ko kamaney nahi dena hai.

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Bimbasar wrote:

MSP is given for 25 commodities and only 2 are undertaken for procurement (wheat + rice) that too only because pds ma wapas dena hota hai otherwise. MSP is other joke as govt don’t procure and farmer can’t sell as you aren’t allowed too. And punjab and haryan is on forefront because 80% of wheat and rice is procured from them only.

Haa to…ye hi to baat hai…wheat and rice se wo farming karke profitable hai thora bahut…aur agar kal ko msp wali apmc mandi band ho gyi…private monopoly ki wajah se to wo bhi road par aa jaayenge!

Aaj bsnl ka kya haal hai? Loss making company ban gyi hai isliye apne last days me hai…private corporates ki wajah se..aise hi apmc mandi me jab koi business bachega hi nhi aur wo loss making ho jaayengi to unpe bhi lock laga diya jaayega…sirf aur sirf IMPLEMENTATION AUR PLANNING GALAT HOTI HAI..chahe wo koi bhi govt ho!

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beingsimple wrote:

Haa to…ye hi to baat hai…wheat and rice se wo farming karke profitable hai thora bahut…aur agar kal ko msp wali apmc mandi band ho gyi…private monopoly ki wajah se to wo bhi road par aa jaayenge!

Aaj bsnl ka kya haal hai? Loss making company ban gyi hai isliye apne last days me hai…private corporates ki wajah se..aise hi apmc mandi me jab koi business bachega hi nhi aur wo loss making ho jaayengi to unpe bhi lock laga diya jaayega…sirf aur sirf IMPLEMENTATION AUR PLANNING GALAT HOTI HAI..chahe wo koi bhi govt ho!

Bsnl is on your tax bailout from 2006 and network dekha na pheley aata tha nah ab. Waisey e commerce bhi pro business hai, we should ban them too.

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kejriwal…aya, gya, fir aya, fir jaega…
modi…aya, fir aya, shayd fir ayega ya jayega…
rahul gandi…kbhi aya hi ni to jayega kya…
farmer….sda tha, hai, aur sda rhega…
#support_farmers

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rajashankar wrote:

As a farmer’s son my questions 1.if mandis are closed how will govt procure for pds 2. Without mandi how price discovery happen 3.middleman abolition is a myth . infact corporate will have high bargaining power aganist farmers than local traders 4. U can’t have right to go to court if dispute arises local authority will solve how will it work 5.if predatatory pricing is done by corporates how will u fix it 6.govt saying u can sell anywhere in india.how it is possible because logistics cost is very high 7.hoarding in any quantity is legal u can easily manipulate price

Last but not least don’t shade farmers as khalistanins / terrorist

I fully support this movement and law should be scrapped

Infact in this bill consumer and farmers will be loser and big corporate will be winner

1. Mandis aren’t abolished. So, chill other option to sell in market is given, otherwise mandi is option.

2. Current act mandates auction in open market, has it ever happened? No you just ask the middlemen the price and sell. Now, you can directly sell to other sellers with multiple options, if you feel you aren’t getting the right price but can you do it now? Eg online grocery chains are directly buying from farmer in ncr and are getting more than regular mandi prices.

3. Farmer protection is myth as question of predatory pricing comes into picture when only few business houses are involved but not otherwise and you can still sell to mandi.

4. You have right to go to Sdm court not higher courts and this should be changed and govt should change it.

5. Everyone wants profit and mandis are always open.

6. E Nam mandi is there in you district? If yes, you can register and sell on it, logistic are usually taken care by buyer otherwise file an rti to get the status.

7. You should definite read how essential commodity act is harming your farming business.

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Bimbasar wrote:

1. Mandis aren’t abolished. So, chill other option to sell in market is given, otherwise mandi is option.

2. Current act mandates auction in open market, has it ever happened? No you just ask the middlemen the price and sell. Now, you can directly sell to other sellers with multiple options, if you feel you aren’t getting the right price but can you do it now? Eg online grocery chains are directly buying from farmer in ncr and are getting more than regular mandi prices.

3. Farmer protection is myth as question of predatory pricing comes into picture when only few business houses are involved but not otherwise and you can still sell to mandi.

4. You have right to go to Sdm court not higher courts and this should be changed and govt should change it.

5. Everyone wants profit and mandis are always open.

6. E Nam mandi is there in you district? If yes, you can register and sell on it, logistic are usually taken care by buyer otherwise file an rti to get the status.

7. You should definite read how essential commodity act is harming your farming business.

1 . automatically mandi will phase out.corporate will initially give good prices in this process mandi will be demolished
Enam and all work if u have high quantity
  Essential quantity act didn’t harm anyone .. infact it protects consumer

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Bimbasar wrote:

1. Mandis aren’t abolished. So, chill other option to sell in market is given, otherwise mandi is option.

2. Current act mandates auction in open market, has it ever happened? No you just ask the middlemen the price and sell. Now, you can directly sell to other sellers with multiple options, if you feel you aren’t getting the right price but can you do it now? Eg online grocery chains are directly buying from farmer in ncr and are getting more than regular mandi prices.

just like fk and az what will happen once these big players makes the small middleman out of business? once they kill competition these big players will have power to buy at their desired price. correct me if i am wrong.

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Simbha3 wrote:

just like fk and az what will happen once these big players makes the small middleman out of business? once they kill competition these big players will have power to buy at their desired price. correct me if i am wrong.

And you as consumer will be so stuck to it that you won’t look for alternative? Same was called for other sectors too, warna aaj bhi ambassador he hoti logo he pass.

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They came for Rafale, then they came for Amazon, Flipkart, then they came for GVK, ………………. and now they came for the farmers.
Ambani’s needs to go. Too much power and wealth.

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Bimbasar wrote:

And you as consumer will be so stuck to it that you won’t look for alternative? Same was called for other sectors too, warna aaj bhi ambassador he hoti logo he pass.

Then why is it bad to give a MSP, just put a MSP clause then let the market do its game.
Let the farmers be secured of MSP atleast and then they can sell at higher rates to private players.

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cadence wrote:

One of the demands of farmers is to abolish law against stubble/field burning which puts millions at health risk including families of farmers. They do it because it’s cheap & easy to do compared to other methods. If they are suggested any other means it’ll cost money – either farmers will bear the cost or government or it’ll be passed to consumers. To do things the right way it costs money. Just one of the many aspects why developed nations are said to have higher standard of life.

This law should definitely come.
Its a secondary demand, farmers don’t have much will to protest for this one specifically.
They have just widened their demands.
Even if the government makes changes in the first 3 laws, farmers must be satisfied.
I am in fact ready to bear the cost of this as a consumer, I can shell out some pennies for better air quality

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