Independence day celebration still needed ?

@desibuddy The day should definitely be remembered, even celebrated.

But we should not be blind to our harsh realities due to a false sense of pride and patriotism.

All indians must celebrate independance day. Celebrating our independance brings the feeling of nationalism .And all know how important is nationalism. It encourages youth and new generation to dedicate for country’s pride.
And Yes, useless expenditure can be reduced.

@desibuddy

Don’t completely agree with you. You are old enough and have seen enough Independence day celebrations/parades and satiated all your questions/curiosity about our struggle for independence. But the new generation kids would get curious through such celebrations and try to find out more about it. I agree that such things are a part of the school curriculum but this initiates more questions in their minds about India apart from this day of significance.

Why should military personnel be used for cleaning Delhi or work on farms? They could given a day off if this was not required but for doing this is a pride in itself. I am not sure if you have seen any NCC cadets in your school/college being part of National/state parades but if you hear them speaking we would feel that we somehow missed being part of something special (In fact I missed out on one such opportunity due to my illness and even now I feel bad about it). Also the military parade gives many an inspiration for joining services. I still remember how excited and proud I was to see the military parade on TV when I was young but now I might not have the same excitement.

Yes do agree there is wastage of resources but this is nothing when compared to other wastage (corruption, fat bureaucracy and such) but everyone wants to point at this day of pride for some reason (I have many friends having the same thought process about this “wastage”). Any sort of wastage should be avoided but with passing decades certain things tend to be forgotten and such things are required to remind us of numerous sacrifices which shouldn’t be forgotten. So spending some resources to instill something better should be considered as a social investment rather than monetary loss. Cheers and advance wishes

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

@desibuddy There are many problems in our life but should we stop celebrating our special days like (birthday,anniversary etc.)

Instead we should consider it to re-energize our self, forget our sorrow by enjoying good time with our loved ones, to get good memories and get some motivation to do something good and better with it.

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

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@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

India has a different form of federalism wherein we don’t give rights for the states regarding their existence in the union.If every state starts creating ruckus to leave the union and the Central govt starts yielding to these demands we would no more be a country.

Edit- FYI kashmir 100% belongs to India because an Instrument of Ascension was signed by the same king. India was never a country before we got Independence and that is the reason Independence day should be celebrated and not to be thought as a wastage. If you want to argue about wastage visit some govt installation and you would know what real wastage is.

@parthponkiya8 wrote:

@desibuddy There are many problems in our life but should we stop celebrating our special days like (birthday,anniversary etc.)

Instead we should consider it to re-energize our self, forget our sorrow by enjoying good time with our loved ones, to get good memories and get some motivation to do something good and better with it.

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

There’s a big difference between UK and India…. Maturity level, jingoism, development level and others. Neither scotland is Kashmir nor India is UK. Plus the consequences could be entirely different.

Could you give a guarantee that a plebiscite won’t lead to unbundling of India opening up of competitive nationalism between people with different agendas/regions. Should I also tell you how unbundling of India could be harmful from humanitarian perspective as well?

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

CC @DealSeeker

@ranjithsai01 wrote:

India has a different form of federalism wherein we don’t give rights for the states regarding their existence in the union.If every state starts creating ruckus to leave the union then India and the Central govt starts yielding to these demands we would no more be a country.

Why should people of Kashmir be given “right to partition” just because they belong to a particular community? People don’t have and shouldn’t have the “rights” to ask for anything and everything. Just because some want to leave India doesn’t mean everyone wants to leave India (we all eat what the media feeds us) and pakistan which would be their choice is a failed state. By giving up kashmir the borders would be shifted and the problems of cross border terrorism sponsored by pakistan would not end. Do you even think anyone in pakistan is remotely interested in welfare of the Kashmiri people? They just want a reason to drag these geo-political tensions sponsored by vested interests.

Edit- FYI kashmir 100% belongs to India because an Instrument of Ascension was signed by the same king. India was never a country before we got Independence and that is the reason Independence day should be celebrated and not to be thought as a wastage. If you want to argue about wastage visit some govt installation and you would know what real wastage is.

But I think the states should be given some more freedom on certain matters so that the power in the center does not govern according to its whims and fancies. Though they should never be allowed to part with the country, they should have their say in matters of economics and development. Our governmental policies themselves are not all inclusive in their framework. As of now, we don’t even have the right to disagree on many issues. The present government with all its half-baked ideologists has made things even worse. Including the excluded in the scheme of development, not terrorizing the dissenters, is the best way to march forward as a nation.

We need a leader who will listen and learn as much as (s)he teaches. But we get either a mauni who hates opening his mouth even to yawn or a jnani who is interested only in grandiose talks. #ManKiBaat

CC @G@urav @DealSeeker @raven_kira @Plato

@Magus wrote:

@ranjithsai01 wrote:

India has a different form of federalism wherein we don’t give rights for the states regarding their existence in the union.If every state starts creating ruckus to leave the union then India and the Central govt starts yielding to these demands we would no more be a country.

Why should people of Kashmir be given “right to partition” just because they belong to a particular community? People don’t have and shouldn’t have the “rights” to ask for anything and everything. Just because some want to leave India doesn’t mean everyone wants to leave India (we all eat what the media feeds us) and pakistan which would be their choice is a failed state. By giving up kashmir the borders would be shifted and the problems of cross border terrorism sponsored by pakistan would not end. Do you even think anyone in pakistan is remotely interested in welfare of the Kashmiri people? They just want a reason to drag these geo-political tensions sponsored by vested interests.

Edit- FYI kashmir 100% belongs to India because an Instrument of Ascension was signed by the same king. India was never a country before we got Independence and that is the reason Independence day should be celebrated and not to be thought as a wastage. If you want to argue about wastage visit some govt installation and you would know what real wastage is.

Ah! No one could have put it better. Well said!

But I think the states should be given some more freedom on certain matters so that the power in the center does not govern according to its whims and fancies. Though they should never be allowed to part with the country, they should have their say in matters of economics and development. Our governmental policies themselves are not all inclusive in their framework. As of now, we don’t even have the right to disagree on many issues. The present government with all its half-baked ideologists has made things even worse. Including the excluded in the scheme of development, not terrorizing the dissenters, is the best way to march forward as a nation.

We need a leader who will listen and learn as much as (s)he teaches. But we get either a mauni who hates opening his mouth even to yawn or a jnani who is interested only in grandiose talks. #ManKiBaat

CC @G@urav @DealSeeker @raven_kira @Plato

Completely agree with it. Both center and states should now think about 3rd level of federalism giving autonomy for our root level democratic institutions. They should move towards social accountability through grass root level institutions which is much needed for a better democracy. Hope it happens and we don’t have to see concentration of power in the hands of a few.

@Magus wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

Can you see how the same post has been addressed by @ranjithsai01 and @G@urav ? That’s what we call “maturity”. You certainly are not familiar with the word, so I suggest you google it.

CC @DealSeeker

Not everybody is thinks same. The above two guys you referring seems to be some kind of philosopher. And for you google joke- Its too old and sucks,,,no one can learn maturity stuff just from googleing,you didiot. Maturity can only be achieved by self understanding.
And again i would say desibuddhi is brother in law of Bur Hun wani,he is next khanaiya kumar, his thoughts are anti national.

Having an opinion is important. Whether it’s Right or Wrong is a matter of gradual social learning. Good discussion going on. Keep it alive.

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

can we know ur real name? 😬😬😬

@Nigel Can you change @desibuddy username to nondesibuddy
Shame on you for spreading hatred against such prestigious and patriotic day in India.

Tell me who is resposibe for homeless ppl and poverty, ppl themselves.
Tum kya kar rahe ho independence day pe. Kuch donate kar rahe ho, farmer ki feild me kam karoge?
Kitni safai kar rahe ho, ghar k pas wali sadak kar rahe ho saaf

Tum kuch bhe nhi karoge sirf yaha bato k ilawa

Garebi kaha rukegi , ek din independence day celebrate karne se kya fark pad jaega

Aap sriya ya libya me hote to pata lag jata independence day ki value

PS : one should look at himself and do whatever he can in his personal capacity.There is nothing wrong in taking pride . U want to help nation , den do something, rather then blaming gov and ppl
B the change u want

The Kashmir problem is not 10-20 years old, its going on since independence of India. I agree our intellectual and respected netas during that time(cough cough Nehru) didn’t handle the situation properly. One of the big mistake done by us during that time was to go Un. Pakistan gained a much upper hand in Un during that time. UN complicated matters terribly for us because Kashmir got an international angle due to this.
And yea regarding plebiscite I don’t agree on it in the first case itself as someone said here that since the instrument of accension has been signed with India so there is no doubt. And even if any plebiscite does happen then the demilitarization of Kashmir must happen which Pakistan would never do.

@Magus wrote:

We need a leader who will listen and learn as much as (s)he teaches. But we get either a mauni who hates opening his mouth even to yawn or a jnani who is interested only in grandiose talks. #ManKiBaat

Just a thought:

Is it about the leader or the blind followers, who listen half and act on half…

it’s mere a perception of what is being presented to them, a follower needs to understand that what the leader is doing is good or bad, not just for him but for the masses,
after all, everybody can’t agree on a single solution, differences will be there and we all will have to live with that.

Always Practise what you Preach.

Charity begins at home.

(not directing this to op, as i don’t know about you, but hey, don’t be frustrated by this, if u care so much about the country then you shouldn’t be bothered by this)

wasting workforce in military, better they can clean delhi or other metro capital in their practice time

isn’t there a dept. already for cleanliness of the city, oh wait, there are many, but still ineffective, you should direct your anger for this Independence day kharcha on them.

And practice time, a general perception about the policeman in this country is that they aren’t fit, but in case of the military, a single perception: they are fit.
The strength, the endurance, it’s need of their job, and they do it happily.

An example, what will u do if u have a land and ur neighbour is trying to acquire it by illegal means, say sending goons, or throwing stones at u and making u leave the place. You will 1st talk with them, but if that doesn’t pan out, you’ll either try to defend or run away from ur land (or sometimes u will raise issue to some higher authority so that they intervene and help u out, but that doesn’t help always). For defending you’ll need someone as u are neither trained for it, not know about it, so that is where Military comes in action.
If u run away, where will u go? to friends? what if they don’t accept you?
Why wereN’T u self sufficient? why did u have to depend on others for ur survival? Didn’t u have the resources?

Now similar to this, replace urself with the country.
Might help u to see a different view.

@parthponkiya8 wrote:

@desibuddy There are many problems in our life but should we stop celebrating our special days like (birthday,anniversary etc.)

Instead we should consider it to re-energize our self, forget our sorrow by enjoying good time with our loved ones, to get good memories and get some motivation to do something good and better with it.

@pratik8989 wrote:

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

can we know ur real name? 😬😬😬

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

Can you see how the same post has been addressed by @ranjithsai01 and @G@urav ? That’s what we call “maturity”. You certainly are not familiar with the word, so I suggest you google it.

CC @DealSeeker

Not everybody is thinks same. The above two guys you referring seems to be some kind of philosopher. And for you google joke- Its too old and sucks,,,no one can learn maturity stuff just from googleing,you didiot. Maturity can only be achieved by self understanding.
And again i would say desibuddhi is brother in law of Bur Hun wani,he is next khanaiya kumar, his thoughts are anti national.

And again I would say you seem to be BABU BAJRANGI……

@G@urav wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

Can you see how the same post has been addressed by @ranjithsai01 and @G@urav ? That’s what we call “maturity”. You certainly are not familiar with the word, so I suggest you google it.

CC @DealSeeker

Not everybody is thinks same. The above two guys you referring seems to be some kind of philosopher. And for you google joke- Its too old and sucks,,,no one can learn maturity stuff just from googleing,you didiot. Maturity can only be achieved by self understanding.
And again i would say desibuddhi is brother in law of Bur Hun wani,he is next khanaiya kumar, his thoughts are anti national.

And again I would say you seem to be BABU BAJRANGI……

I am not BABU BAJRANGI,i wished i could.Anyway thank you Mr Zakir nai K for comapring me to such great man.I wish one day i could do great works like he did and vanish the morons from this earth.

@pratik8989 wrote:

@desibuddy wrote:

Patriotism, celebration and everything is used, but these days what we want is peace..

A small live tv program with PM and Preseident speech is enough these days that is called simplicity, as we get atleast that one day leave (except software engineers , doctors, police, military), but “Wastage” is increasing day by day, which is the money collected from poor people as indirect tax or direct tax.

this is not simplicity, this is mere publicity.

Offtopic:
Still we thinking Kashmir is 100 % belongs to india, even people dont know about “hari singh, king of Kashmir” but all guys thinking kashmir problem is 100 % created by pakistan or kashmir people, but truth is its there rights to ask, right to partition, but we’re celebrating independence day , but kashmir is full of blood, another wastage of money by military keeping in kashmir side…

Ireland asked for voting to seperate from UK, they conduct poll and most voted to be with UK..like that kashmir people asking, but indian government not even opened his mouth about voting and killing their rights….

can we know ur real name? 😬😬😬

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@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@G@urav wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

Can you see how the same post has been addressed by @ranjithsai01 and @G@urav ? That’s what we call “maturity”. You certainly are not familiar with the word, so I suggest you google it.

CC @DealSeeker

Not everybody is thinks same. The above two guys you referring seems to be some kind of philosopher. And for you google joke- Its too old and sucks,,,no one can learn maturity stuff just from googleing,you didiot. Maturity can only be achieved by self understanding.
And again i would say desibuddhi is brother in law of Bur Hun wani,he is next khanaiya kumar, his thoughts are anti national.

And again I would say you seem to be BABU BAJRANGI……

I am not BABU BAJRANGI,i wished i could.Anyway thank you Mr Zakir nai K for comapring me to such great man.I wish one day i could do great works like he did and vanish the morons from this earth.

Please stop spewing venom on fellow dimers. Really those people won’t give a s**t about us if they are not getting any benefits out of our problems. I have personally seen how they behave when me and a friend sought help of such people for an issue involving police harassment for helping an accident victim. These were his words literally “If you belong to my community/caste doesn’t mean I should help you and if you had voted me next time vote someone else because I don’t need your vote/help”.

I guess you are too young to understand this because you have not interacted with such “great” people. Hope you don’t have to interact with such people because it will only put you into more problems.

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@G@urav wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@digyvijaykumar123 wrote:

Ladies an Gentlemen,please welcome brother-in-law of Shree Shree Bur Han wani ..

Can you see how the same post has been addressed by @ranjithsai01 and @G@urav ? That’s what we call “maturity”. You certainly are not familiar with the word, so I suggest you google it.

CC @DealSeeker

Not everybody is thinks same. The above two guys you referring seems to be some kind of philosopher. And for you google joke- Its too old and sucks,,,no one can learn maturity stuff just from googleing,you didiot. Maturity can only be achieved by self understanding.
And again i would say desibuddhi is brother in law of Bur Hun wani,he is next khanaiya kumar, his thoughts are anti national.

And again I would say you seem to be BABU BAJRANGI……

I am not BABU BAJRANGI,i wished i could.Anyway thank you Mr Zakir nai K for comapring me to such great man.I wish one day i could do great works like he did and vanish the morons from this earth.

Thats what I wanted to say/proove in the first place……guys like you would wear the comparisons with murderers,rapists as a badge of honour. There’s not much of a difference between you and Burhan’s supporters. You have got all the essential ingredients to be one. All you need is an ecosystem and you would be good to go.