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@arasrinivasan wrote:

@Magus wrote:
I think you missed the highlighted part of my post. Vehicles have become an integrated part of our daily lives without which good living will become almost impossible in today’s world. Firecrackers do not belong to the same category. But only intelligent people can understand my message, not crackpots like you.

Sorry, but that is not a very good argument. 90% of the travel we do is useless and only for unnecessary show-off and ego-boosting and totally avoidable. Luxury cars are useless. The electricity consumed by shopping malls etc. is useless. Huge television sets, cricket matches on floodlights, movie theaters etc. are useless and serve only as entertainment and are again totally avoidable. I don’t see people protesting against these. Were people never happy before movie theaters came up?

And why do you think fire crackers do not enable good living? Fire crackers make tons of kids happy. Lots of kids wait throughout the year for the fun of diwali. The indirect pollution caused by shopping malls etc. and the direct pollution caused by luxury vehicles,etc. 24/7 throughout the year is greater by several orders of magnitude than the pollution caused a couple of days in an year by bursting fire crackers.

The media simply magnifies the issue and we fall prey to it. I’m not saying that there is no harm caused by firecrackers at all. But if you protest against firecrackers then you should do the same against shopping malls and luxury cars too. Surely, it is not wrong to expect a little balance and fairness in your critique, is it?

So take up the anti-pollution, anti-luxury cars initiative na. Why say if one evil exists the other is justifiable. Corruption exist karta hai to rape ko justify nahi kr sakte hai boss.

@raven_kira wrote:

@arasrinivasan wrote:

@Magus wrote:
I think you missed the highlighted part of my post. Vehicles have become an integrated part of our daily lives without which good living will become almost impossible in today’s world. Firecrackers do not belong to the same category. But only intelligent people can understand my message, not crackpots like you.

Sorry, but that is not a very good argument. 90% of the travel we do is useless and only for unnecessary show-off and ego-boosting and totally avoidable. Luxury cars are useless. The electricity consumed by shopping malls etc. is useless. Huge television sets, cricket matches on floodlights, movie theaters etc. are useless and serve only as entertainment and are again totally avoidable. I don’t see people protesting against these. Were people never happy before movie theaters came up?

And why do you think fire crackers do not enable good living? Fire crackers make tons of kids happy. Lots of kids wait throughout the year for the fun of diwali. The indirect pollution caused by shopping malls etc. and the direct pollution caused by luxury vehicles,etc. 24/7 throughout the year is greater by several orders of magnitude than the pollution caused a couple of days in an year by bursting fire crackers.

The media simply magnifies the issue and we fall prey to it. I’m not saying that there is no harm caused by firecrackers at all. But if you protest against firecrackers then you should do the same against shopping malls and luxury cars too. Surely, it is not wrong to expect a little balance and fairness in your critique, is it?

So take up the anti-pollution, anti-luxury cars initiative na. Why say if one evil exists the other is justifiable. Corruption exist karta hai to rape ko justify nahi kr sakte hai boss.

You are wasting your time.

Tv pe add nahi kya dekha. O paper wala fatakha fodo… pollution free

@arasrinivasan wrote:

Sorry, but that is not a very good argument. 90% of the travel we do is useless and only for unnecessary show-off and ego-boosting and totally avoidable. Luxury cars are useless. The electricity consumed by shopping malls etc. is useless. Huge television sets, cricket matches on floodlights, movie theaters etc. are useless and serve only as entertainment and are again totally avoidable. I don’t see people protesting against these. Were people never happy before movie theaters came up?

And why do you think fire crackers do not enable good living? Fire crackers make tons of kids happy. Lots of kids wait throughout the year for the fun of diwali. The indirect pollution caused by shopping malls etc. and the direct pollution caused by luxury vehicles,etc. 24/7 throughout the year is greater by several orders of magnitude than the pollution caused a couple of days in an year by bursting fire crackers.

The media simply magnifies the issue and we fall prey to it. I’m not saying that there is no harm caused by firecrackers at all. But if you protest against firecrackers then you should do the same against shopping malls and luxury cars too. Surely, it is not wrong to expect a little balance and fairness in your critique, is it?

OMG! When will you guys try to understand things in their context? Do you think I’m supporting all that. I’m tired of typing the same thing again and again. Please read @raven_kira ’s post above for a good summary. Bye.

@raven_kira wrote:

Bhailog… all we can do is take one step at a time…that doesn’t mean we are not against animal killing or pollution in general. Presently this issue prods us to take up the action. Next time on bakrid, you guys take up the leadeship, we’ll gladly follow you and spread the message. And planting trees has nothing to do with stopping yourself from bursting crackers. The former requires your time, money and effort and the latter saves all of those. You don’t need to make a conscious effort, just have to stop doing something ridiculous… easy peasy.

Finding an intelligent being in this country is like finding a pin in a haystack. Just found a new one! Cheers!

@anthrax.ut wrote:

@happy_go_lucky wrote:

@Magus wrote:

@happy_go_lucky wrote:

oh, I didn’t know that hypocrites erudites are channelizing their whole energy in setting their ‘own’ house in order, chiding their ‘own’ people ; I’m sure after this mission is accomplished, they would muster courage to be equally vocal for cruelty against animals.

I didn’t know either that “non-hypocrites” are channelizing their whole energy in finding faults in others while choosing to remain blissfully unaware of the blunders they themselves commit.

For your convenience, you have ignored the first line of the first comment made by me in this thread.

@G@urav wrote:

Buddy I am suffering from allergic bronchitis and rhinitis, to hell with your minority majority leftist rightist Muslim Hindu culture tradition I Just want my lungs not to get blocked, not to breathe in with a ghrrrrr ghrrr sound and not to feel headache and facial pain.

My sympathies are with you dear. I’ve already stated that I’m not in favour of burning crackers, the point I’m making is let’s be equally vocal when innocent animals are killed in the name of religious celebration. I was in srinagar this bakrid and I can tell you I still can’t forget the scenes of brutality against animals. Alive sheep were lying in heaps, starved of food and water for days just to make their meat tastier. I wonder why the environment saviours are not perturbed by such things.

Animal Killing is horrible …… if some one does not kills an animal for his or her festival i will plant 100 trees and share all the pics here

@anthrax.ut Buddy don’t rely on others do’s and dont’s if you have desire to plant tree to make the environment good then just go for it. Also, i don’t think they care your words too, if they actually want to quit such things they have to do it own….

Diwali is a festival of lights so this diwali lets light up our houses and if possible do light up some poor kids life too by donating sweets or clothes or candle or money or your kidney if you think your life sucks.

Ab sab chup ho jao aur ye ugly comments ka nanga naach band karo.
(English translation : twinkle twinkle little star, how I wonder what you are.)

@thrifty_indian wrote:

And the legend has @Magus is still preaching to morons (oops no name calling or calling a spade, a spade in this case)

@viSH wrote:

Diwali is a festival of lights so this diwali lets light up our houses and if possible do light up some poor kids life too by donating sweets or clothes or candle or money or your kidney if you think your life sucks.

Ab sab chup ho jao aur ye ugly comments ka nanga naach band karo.
(English translation : twinkle twinkle little star, how I wonder what you are.)

@DealSeeker wrote:

By the way, did anyone notice how they have ripped off Flipkart’s logo?

Just noticed

@anoop7380 wrote:

I never counted how many trees planted n how many times i donated blood. Its just a matter of joy. Planting and cracking is personal choice. Do whatever u wish n let others do what they wish.

You are earning Real Karma! Great!

@anthrax.ut wrote:

h1. Animal Killing is horrible …… if some one does not kills an animal for his or her festival i will plant 100 trees and share all the pics here

Bro, you better be a vegetarian to make that statement with a straight face! Are you?

@thrifty_indian wrote:

And the legend has @Magus is still preaching to morons (oops no name calling or calling a spade, a spade in this case)

I cannot understand how any person tries to justify an act in the name of a celebration which causes sufferings to others continuously for two-three days at a stretch for long hours.

In first world countries like the U.S. the government takes the responsibility of putting up a grand fireworks show in festivals like the 4th of July, 31st Dec etc out of tax payers money. The fireworks are mostly the ones that light up the sky though they burst and create a noise at the end. This display is done for a fixed time say about half an hour and at a fixed venue. People gather, enjoy the display and flock to other entertainment spots at the end of the display. Some sporadic cracker bursts do occur in “certain neighborhoods” but it is miniscule in nature because of the tight law enforcement in these countries. To my knowledge bursting of any cracker by private individuals is illegal in the U.S. and you can be arrested if found in possession or indulging in their detonation.

But hey…….this is India. We all know the state of law enforcement in this country. There is also no respect for the value of human life here so forget about any animal rights. Laws are there in plenty but they are selectively used. To enforce the laws if you plan to knock the doors of the judiciary then also be prepared that firstly you might be taken for a ride by the system and secondly by the time the accused has exhausted all options available to him he is in all probability one foot in the grave.

So in the end here one has few options but to unwillingly subject oneself to these onslaught by so-called fellow Indians. Society at large remains a mute spectator and allows this to go on. Ironically these same Indians become goody good-boys when they land up in their dreamland shores of a first world country and suddenly start to follow all laws.

EDIT: The issue of pollution related to the bursting of firecrackers is a somewhat different issue. It is to be kept in mind that nature has a system to adjust and heal itself when any abuse is done for a short period of time. In this light bursting of crackers in specific celebrations might not cause that much of a harm if subsequently the pollution is brought down to normal. My thoughts therefore are that the sound pollution is more distasteful to me today than the chemical pollution, though it is obviously better if both can be avoided. For an asthmatic patient it might be the other way around.

@G@urav wrote:

@megatron wrote:

@Magus wrote:

A humble request to everyone… Please stop this nonsense! It’s high time we started boycotting such silly pleasures with a noble cause in mind. This is one thing which can be easily given up unlike plastic bags etc. Please consider the plight of little babies, senior citizens and poor animals. It’s such a painful experience to watch these helpless beings suffer.

I ask you to stop using ACs and vehicles as it is hurting environment and people with respiratory diseases! Would you stop?:roll:

May be if your kid had asthma, rhinitis or similar diseases and would need say oxygen masks or even inhalers to breathe in you would have realised. Now don’t you say stop using lpg cylinders if you care for your child.

I myself have asthma and do not burst….but u cant conveniently overlook something u like and frown on things others like which you dont like!

@Magus wrote:

@numberek wrote:

to be fair, little children’s has to get their share of fun and excitement by burning crackers. We adults are educated and know the danger to nature hence avoid them.

Here comes the saviour of little children! Have you ever observed kids? They learn from you. They do not come with the inborn desire to burst crackers. And they are quick to learn if you communicate it right. Please stop giving such lame excuses.

@DealSeeker wrote:

@anthrax.ut wrote:

h1. Animal Killing is horrible …… if some one does not kills an animal for his or her festival i will plant 100 trees and share all the pics here

Bro, you better be a vegetarian to make that statement with a straight face! Are you?

Yes I am

Where did it start and where is it ending?
OP, you created food for many __________ (its a blank, put whatever you want), the original one is not here yet though

@megatron wrote:

@G@urav wrote:

@megatron wrote:

@Magus wrote:

A humble request to everyone… Please stop this nonsense! It’s high time we started boycotting such silly pleasures with a noble cause in mind. This is one thing which can be easily given up unlike plastic bags etc. Please consider the plight of little babies, senior citizens and poor animals. It’s such a painful experience to watch these helpless beings suffer.

I ask you to stop using ACs and vehicles as it is hurting environment and people with respiratory diseases! Would you stop?:roll:

May be if your kid had asthma, rhinitis or similar diseases and would need say oxygen masks or even inhalers to breathe in you would have realised. Now don’t you say stop using lpg cylinders if you care for your child.

I myself have asthma and do not burst….but u cant conveniently overlook something u like and frown on things others like which you dont like!

I would have been happier and said +1 if you would have said… Besides not bursting crackers let’s vow to reduce our carbon footprint in every possible manner from saving water to switching to LEDs to using public transport and economizing on electricity.But you give a counter argument you don’t add to a decent suggestion.

That’s what I find disagreeable.

@deepak38 wrote:
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…To my knowledge bursting of any cracker by private individuals is illegal in the U.S. and you can be arrested if found in possession or indulging in their detonation.
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Nah, bro. Except for NJ, NY, DE, and MA, all of the other states allow consumer fireworks (3-4 other states are a little stricter on what is allowed). I personally participated in a private fireworks celebration by a frat house in PA — no control.

@meragoyou153 wrote:

I THINK U BELONG OF GANG OF SICKS WHO HAVE NOTHING PROACTIVE

Pro-active? Which one do you mean by that? Killing Mosquitoes or Welcoming Bhagwan Sri Ram? Remember again, you can choose only one out of the two.

megatron wrote:

I ask you to stop using ACs and vehicles as it is hurting environment and people with respiratory diseases! Would you stop?:roll:

jab baki dusre desh me new year KO phatakhe jalate hai to koi unko kuch nahi bolta hai.:((

Desert, Low Water, Rain Scarcity already facing SEVERELY by your REGION due to GREEN HUNT in past and you too wish to continue

@VaibhavJain wrote:

Why not in rajasthan

@DealSeeker wrote:

@deepak38 wrote:
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…To my knowledge bursting of any cracker by private individuals is illegal in the U.S. and you can be arrested if found in possession or indulging in their detonation.
…

Nah, bro. Except for NJ, NY, DE, and MA, all of the other states allow consumer fireworks (3-4 other states are a little stricter on what is allowed). I personally participated in a private fireworks celebration by a frat house in PA — no control.

It is illegal in Illinois too (as I have been told) one of the states where I stayed for a long time. Never asked directly to a police officer. Never also saw anybody openly bursting a cracker in Chicago. The rules are strictly followed in the big cities. Might be a bit lax for isolated suburban locations.

@anthrax.ut wrote:

@meragoyou153

Bhai…. can you show me one instance in geeta / ramayan or any of our holy book where they have said burst “Sutli Bomb”

CC @DealSeeker @Magus @viSH @sidbhai @mitra @newdduser @thrifty_indian

@deepak38 wrote:
…My thoughts therefore are that the sound pollution is more distasteful to me today than the chemical pollution, though it is obviously better if both can be avoided. For an asthmatic patient it might be the other way around.

You have touched upon something subtler. The very reason I mentioned little babies, senior citizens and animals in my very first post is this. I have observed how these beings suffer because of the noise. I got to observe rabbits once on a Diwali day. The jerk they would give in reaction to each and every burst of crackers. Just to see how helplessly they would remain in a corner gripped with fear the entire day! Heart-wrenching!
You won’t hear the sound of any birds, either. The Hindus are not concerned about those crows which they worship as their ancestors. And I’m sure cows are no exception. All this talk of holy cow is just rubbish if they justify blasting Sutli bombs. Tell me who the hypocrites are.

GUYS…

What an EXTREMELY GOOD FUCKING USELESS DEBATE…

And I feel I should contribute my thoughts here.

I have seen my grandma cry with pain whenever crackers exploded…

Seniors blaming those nasty little fuckers…

Because they can’t take it anymore.

The pain is massive. And I seen that first hand.

And then, I have also seen the joy of those little kids bursting these crackers…

In fact, I was one of those kids that gave no fucks during diwali…

Motive was to make myself happy.

That’s why I gave zero fucks.

And then, with age, I see why it makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE to burst these fuckin crackers…

Yet, that doesn’t stop OTHERS from doing what makes them happy, right?

As far as pollution goes, fuckin deal with it.

The world is ending.

Humans are monster.

If you don’t burst crackers, someone else will do something so awesome that it affects the world…

I have been on a spiritual journey before and all I can say to everyone is this:

You cannot fix this world…

Humans learn, innovate, and destroy…

That’s the circle of life.

You have to decide what you want to do:

Whether to learn… innovate, or fucking destroy…

In short: I take no fuckin sides. Do what makes you fuckin happy. And do it regularly.

So happy fucking diwali you fuckers!

@sidbhai wrote:

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So happy fucking diwali you fuckers!

Ssshh! anthrax.ut is around. He will block you if you don’t stop fucking around. If you get blocked, you have to fucking deal with it.

@Magus wrote:

@sidbhai wrote:

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So happy fucking diwali you fuckers!

Ssshh! anthrax.ut is around. He will fucking block if you don’t stop fucking around. If you get blocked, you have to fucking deal with it.

As a kid, I gave zero fucks about Diwali.

And now, as an adult…

I give zero fucks about banning.

@VaibhavJain wrote:

Why not in rajasthan

+1

@VaibhavJain wrote:

@anthrax.ut wrote:

@meragoyou153

Bhai…. can you show me one instance in geeta / ramayan or any of our holy book where they have said burst “Sutli Bomb”

CC @DealSeeker @Magus @viSH @sidbhai @mitra @newdduser @thrifty_indian

Sahi hain bhai…

Fode kaise unko?

Sutli bomb pich vaade main daal ke?