New Rules & Regulation For Trading And Classifieds

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h4. New Rules For Trading & Classifieds

Sharing Tricks - DesiDime is all about good deals, coupons and offers and we stick to that. A BIG NO to tricks and loots which are illegal. There is no place for such threads on DesiDime .

If something can be posted openly (meaning its legal) is allowed. Everything else (PM me game) is not allowed

Requests/Giveaway Forum - Its only a forum to request and giveaway unused coupons and/or invites. No giveaway of tricks etc will be entertained. Neither giveaway of accounts.

h4. Trade conditions which are not allowed:

Selling of Coupons, Wallets, Accounts, Invites, Offers and Sharing screens & subscriptions, and anything related to account related exchanges will be considered as violation

Recharge & booking related/offer exchange/bill payment trade posts strictly not allowed.

Credit Cards and Debit cards giveaway/sharing for purchase of product/offer is not allowed

Posts offering additional benefit for joining or using a referral/invite/group links will be considered as serious Violation

Trade Posts in Wrong sections is not allowed and Any Warning/message received after post moderation should be considered as direct alert/warning

Open Warnings in forum threads should be considered as Final warning

h4. Cases Allowed in Trading & Classifieds Forum:

1. Trading of coupons/voucher/giftcards/promocode with other coupons/voucher/giftcards/promocode of fair value without any exchange of money/wallet/Upi/bank transfers..

2. Sale of old/new products.

3. Trading of invites with other invites or coupons

4. Trading of wallet amount with other wallet amount is allowed which is transferrable to other account without involving account details exchange (Do note selling of wallet is not allowed)

(Wallets like paytm, mobikwik, oxi, etc and not like MMT, zomato..... etc)

Trading is not allowed with any kind of wallets, bank transfers, Upi, money.(except when a physical product is being traded)

Dimer will have to specify both details on what exactly they are looking for/need in exchange with what they are offering for the same. Ex: Abc voucher need/offer with xyz voucher

Any threads not complying with above rules will be deleted and if user found repeating the same then it will lead to account suspension.

Trade at your own risk. Desidime wont hold any responsibility in your trade/exchange dealings.

We will keep adding scenarios which are allowed and which are not allowed.

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Also, some dimers are not mentioning trade price in their trading posts clearly. Please ask them they can negotiate through message but they need to post a fixed price in their posts for everyone to know what trade is taking place, & at what price. 

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@Amolverma.6 wrote:

As first it was very shocking to me that why all of a sudden such harsh rules were made on trading sections but after Anthrax’s continuous replies it changed my point of mind that these rules were for the well-bringing of DD instead of making negative replies we should understand the motive behind it THOUGH I also agree that some rules are really not fair like selling of coupons and invites because they are in no way illegal I hope admins & mods will look into this with dimers request

Also @DimerAbhi please stop commenting nonsense


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Please Don’t Disturb Him.

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@Aarya wrote:

@Hustler wrote:

@Aarya wrote:

Why Too Much Red Faces…. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_evil.gif

Now DD will be a good place for Traders and fraudulent activity will be less which was increasing day by day here.
Good work admins.. ☺👍👍👍


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#Hustle


Hopefully Your Dream Will Never Come True .

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MMT Filing case !!
Sabkadukan fraud case on the way..
Dukaan band hone Ko hai bhaiya https://cdn3.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_lol.gif

#Hustle

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@Aarya wrote:

@Amolverma.6 wrote:

As first it was very shocking to me that why all of a sudden such harsh rules were made on trading sections but after Anthrax’s continuous replies it changed my point of mind that these rules were for the well-bringing of DD instead of making negative replies we should understand the motive behind it THOUGH I also agree that some rules are really not fair like selling of coupons and invites because they are in no way illegal I hope admins & mods will look into this with dimers request

Also @DimerAbhi please stop commenting nonsense


It’s His Freedom Of Commenting https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

Please Don’t Disturb Him.


That’s why applied “please” word there 🎈

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why such a drastic moove.I THINK DESI DIME IS READY FOR NEW AVTAR

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I never did any trading but i always heard from some dimer friends that “guy looted me”… bla bla..

IMO, its right move to enjoy deals which gives you peace of mind.

Now a days, so many people does trading of wallet then they inform customer care saying my wallet is hacked. So they gets refund. & you get headache if you’ve not used money completely ( Meant if you’ve purchased product, then product delivery also). example OLA money.

Also people sale tricks about moded app and definately some newbie gets attracted because they find some bucks. But they don’t know how to hide their A**. So they get tracked and loose more compare to the master mind guys.

Also now Companies are getting more strict about frauds. Latest example is MMT.

Again its obviously depends on intension/personality of dimer why he is here. Decision is obviously dimers. But its not good for a FORUM perspective because once they get a TAG “Tricks and moded apps forum”. They loose the revenue from affiliate marketing also which runs employee salaries, website cost and others …

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@bumblefoot @anthrax.ut

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"@hese":http://www.desidime.com/users/96139 wrote:


Buddy you are 90% Wrong.
And may be 10% right.

Please do not spoil your valuable life.

Nothing personal. Please not in mood for a debate.

Stick to the topic.

just tell me how I am wrong…

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Guys,admin MJ911 delated my post regarding creating of Whatsapp group ,he says it was invalid/incomplete…Ab dadagiri start kr di…Is post ka score -31 hai , but I can still see green faces…To admin ye bataye ki -31 pe green face… Now , we are not even allowed to post the opinions… bro, If someone wanna create a group ,post it we are not gonna tolerate this…I see,how many post you will delete… I think I can say this is your site , so you can do dictatorship and if we do anything against you will suspend the account… he wants that we guys post here and get Re 1 or so called dime…😠😬

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bro,bahut ho gaya I am gonna leave forum… not here to get only karmas…what will anyone do with these

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"@ramkr628243":http://www.desidime.com/users/525544 wrote:

bro,bahut ho gaya I am gonna leave forum… not here to get only karmas…what will anyone do with these

go and tell somebody I earned 2000 karma’s… he gonna say is ke liye marwa rahe ho cute*** ho kya ….

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HAS ANYONE CREATED A WHATSAPP GROUP ALREADY?? If yes let me know.

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Itna sara kyun likha, seedhe seedhe bol dete ki trading section bandh hone wala hain.

Translation- so much why write, straight straight said have that trading section close happen going is

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@ramkr628243 wrote:

bro,bahut ho gaya I am gonna leave forum… not here to get only karmas…what will anyone do with these


You talk as if your everyday food depended on DD trading section and suddenly now it has become villain because they brought in some good rules… Good riddance…

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@PaytmKaPoojari wrote:

A decision which might have been really hard for the decidime team to take for themselves.

Extremely Hard!

One things for sure a lot of people had given suggestions earlier for desidime to streamline the trading section and some of the comments were really very interesting and innovative and worth implementing. However for some reason or another desidime failed and now the rampant sharing of tricks especially openly sharing of tricks including by one of the renowned members u know omg. Also many dimers illicit use of WhatsApp and social media forms and people creating special trading groups on these alongwith WhatsApp broadcast channels have aggravated the issue in size and blown it out of proportions. I feel dd should have implemented the suggestions out in that thread earlier rather than becoming busy adding useless smileys and stuff. I don’t want to bitch or crib about what could have been done but introspect whether our actions are actually ultimately responsible for giving desidime the guts to take such a hard decision.We need to remember that we have never been responsible on our end which has led to all this. I don’t want you not to share tricks with everyone but why with the whole of the virtual world or to unknown persons using the pm pm game. These mushroom to getting leaked in open on 100s of shopping websites and forums and might be people in thousands and lacs keep exploiting these loopholes and tricks. One day everything has to come to an end. Desidime is not an virtual individual but a platform, it’s not a virtual identify but has a real company and team behind it, it’s not looking at just you it’s looking at its ecosystem so before bombarding this thread with all negative news first we need to equally introspect on ourselves and the way we have contributed to the current situation. Desidime as an institution /organisation runs on primarily 2 communities 1 is the user community and 1 is the ecommerece fraternity. We don’t pay even peanuts to use this service and those who pay in the way of affiliate commissions and sponsored coupons ie these ecommerece companies what do they get from these loots and tricks losses in tune of crores. Remember the merciless looting of I must say almost all of the ecommerece companies be it fk refer n earn, amazon irctc, mmt referral, oyo referral, ola money codes, Shopclues-Mobi loot, Paytm codes,fc account creation new users, Snapdeal loot, peppertap referral. Almost every ecommerece startup has suffered because of us and it’s merely karma hitting back on us. Remember dd isn’t responsible for anything it’s ourselves to blame. Blame the traders and looters and I must not shame to include myself who ruthlessly ensured that dd had to take these steps. Enjoy desidime rather than cribbing about it.


Well Written… So as far as Suggestions given earlier about trading goes, I agree, some were good suggestions and we must have read and discussed about it umpteen number of times internally. However, none of them solved the problem of unethical tricks and some dimers making trading a way of life/business. In fact if we had provided a trading platform, we were encouraging trading in a much bigger way and obviously the person getting the coupon/wallet etc does not know how it was obtained either (mostly unethical means)… If you see some of the threads in Trading & Classifieds, you would find coupons being sold which are actually available for FREE and even posted in hot deals online section. The day was not too far when some of these traders would say Pay me 20 rs and I would let you know about a good deal going on at XYZ store.

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@PaytmKaPoojari wrote:

A decision which might have been really hard for the decidime team to take for themselves.

Extremely Hard!

One things for sure a lot of people had given suggestions earlier for desidime to streamline the trading section and some of the comments were really very interesting and innovative and worth implementing. However for some reason or another desidime failed and now the rampant sharing of tricks especially openly sharing of tricks including by one of the renowned members u know omg. Also many dimers illicit use of WhatsApp and social media forms and people creating special trading groups on these alongwith WhatsApp broadcast channels have aggravated the issue in size and blown it out of proportions. I feel dd should have implemented the suggestions out in that thread earlier rather than becoming busy adding useless smileys and stuff. I don’t want to bitch or crib about what could have been done but introspect whether our actions are actually ultimately responsible for giving desidime the guts to take such a hard decision.We need to remember that we have never been responsible on our end which has led to all this. I don’t want you not to share tricks with everyone but why with the whole of the virtual world or to unknown persons using the pm pm game. These mushroom to getting leaked in open on 100s of shopping websites and forums and might be people in thousands and lacs keep exploiting these loopholes and tricks. One day everything has to come to an end. Desidime is not an virtual individual but a platform, it’s not a virtual identify but has a real company and team behind it, it’s not looking at just you it’s looking at its ecosystem so before bombarding this thread with all negative news first we need to equally introspect on ourselves and the way we have contributed to the current situation. Desidime as an institution /organisation runs on primarily 2 communities 1 is the user community and 1 is the ecommerece fraternity. We don’t pay even peanuts to use this service and those who pay in the way of affiliate commissions and sponsored coupons ie these ecommerece companies what do they get from these loots and tricks losses in tune of crores. Remember the merciless looting of I must say almost all of the ecommerece companies be it fk refer n earn, amazon irctc, mmt referral, oyo referral, ola money codes, Shopclues-Mobi loot, Paytm codes,fc account creation new users, Snapdeal loot, peppertap referral. Almost every ecommerece startup has suffered because of us and it’s merely karma hitting back on us. Remember dd isn’t responsible for anything it’s ourselves to blame. Blame the traders and looters and I must not shame to include myself who ruthlessly ensured that dd had to take these steps. Enjoy desidime rather than cribbing about it.


Well Written… So as far as Suggestions given earlier about trading goes, I agree, some were good suggestions and we must have read and discussed about it umpteen number of times internally. However, none of them solved the problem of unethical tricks and some dimers making trading a way of life/business. In fact if we had provided a trading platform, we were encouraging trading in a much bigger way and obviously the person getting the coupon/wallet etc does not know how it was obtained either (mostly unethical means)… If you see some of the threads in Trading & Classifieds, you would find coupons being sold which are actually available for FREE and even posted in hot deals online section. The day was not too far when some of these traders would say Pay me 20 rs and I would let you know about a good deal going on at XYZ store.


I understand that implementation is easier said than done. And one point you have rightly touched out here is about how unethical these traders had become . People literally have taken trading as their means of life.

For someone who is a mobile sim seller he would be selling otp and stuff for 10 to 20 bucks depending on the app . For a school /college student trading had become a way of earning extra bucks and also later excessive spending given his age . Ola / uber rides using rooted phones , peppertap referrals, selling paytm bourbon codes, everything in life was done with an intention to resell. Even if these traders dint want to purchase a deal for themselves they would be the first to loot it and leave nothing for the genuine users.
The reason they later wanted to make a killing out of it . Remeber resellers of amazon irctc loot, or more specifically nexus 7 2012 or Micromax Android One devices.

Its for good once and all a decision has been taken . It might impact your user base in the short term but as an organization and especially Indias largest shopping forum this decision had to be taken and genuine dimers wont really feel the heat.

Just an example I had messaged 4 or 5 credible dimers yesterday if they had any mmt refferal link cause i needed to do hotel booking . To my surprise none of them owned one.

This shows that not all are really looters but only a fraction of the community which will bear the brunt and rightly so .

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@PaytmKaPoojari Hats off! +24KG. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

I request @admin, @anthrax.ut and other admins/mods to give him the max. karma each is capable of for such sensible views that he has put forth in this thread.

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i think this sudden change in rules justifies for the troubles DD is into…. but trading of coupons/invites/exchanging wallet balances should be exempted as its the sole part of trading section in DD…. barter system is long gone so no need to start the 18th century again….
and no one is going to trade their old stuffs in here bcoz DD is not meant for that….

these rules are surely going to setback the number of users DD has currently… what i have seen is new ppl only join DD bcoz of these trading and trick sharing platform provided….

I support banning of tricks but everything else is absurd

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Finally Admin understood it and implemented.
Kudos.

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@alldimers

we must understand that no site can allow illegal content (openly)

i think it s fair on admins part.

request senior dimers to be with desidime and share legal tricks openly.

rest is understood

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@admin wrote:
…So as far as Suggestions given earlier about trading goes, I agree, some were good suggestions and we must have read and discussed about it umpteen number of times internally. However, none of them solved the problem of unethical tricks and some dimers making trading a way of life/business. In fact if we had provided a trading platform, we were encouraging trading in a much bigger way and obviously the person getting the coupon/wallet etc does not know how it was obtained either (mostly unethical means)… If you see some of the threads in Trading & Classifieds, you would find coupons being sold which are actually available for FREE and even posted in hot deals online section. The day was not too far when some of these traders would say Pay me 20 rs and I would let you know about a good deal going on at XYZ store.


All good points. But please do allow trading of coupons for wallet money. That’s a valid and legal use-case for dimers like me who can not be online here 24×7. Being the forerunners in the Indian deals community, I am sure you have noticed the decreasing amount of time that coupon deals are live for — mostly due to hoarding by looters/traders; now they will just move to Whatsapp or other mediums.

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@Amolverma.6 wrote:

As first it was very shocking to me that why all of a sudden such harsh rules were made on trading sections but after Anthrax’s continuous replies it changed my point of mind that these rules were for the well-bringing of DD instead of making negative replies we should understand the motive behind it THOUGH I also agree that some rules are really not fair like selling of coupons and invites because they are in no way illegal I hope admins & mods will look into this with dimers request

Also @DimerAbhi please stop commenting nonsense


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@admin wrote:

@PaytmKaPoojari wrote:

A decision which might have been really hard for the decidime team to take for themselves.

Extremely Hard!

One things for sure a lot of people had given suggestions earlier for desidime to streamline the trading section and some of the comments were really very interesting and innovative and worth implementing. However for some reason or another desidime failed and now the rampant sharing of tricks especially openly sharing of tricks including by one of the renowned members u know omg. Also many dimers illicit use of WhatsApp and social media forms and people creating special trading groups on these alongwith WhatsApp broadcast channels have aggravated the issue in size and blown it out of proportions. I feel dd should have implemented the suggestions out in that thread earlier rather than becoming busy adding useless smileys and stuff. I don’t want to bitch or crib about what could have been done but introspect whether our actions are actually ultimately responsible for giving desidime the guts to take such a hard decision.We need to remember that we have never been responsible on our end which has led to all this. I don’t want you not to share tricks with everyone but why with the whole of the virtual world or to unknown persons using the pm pm game. These mushroom to getting leaked in open on 100s of shopping websites and forums and might be people in thousands and lacs keep exploiting these loopholes and tricks. One day everything has to come to an end. Desidime is not an virtual individual but a platform, it’s not a virtual identify but has a real company and team behind it, it’s not looking at just you it’s looking at its ecosystem so before bombarding this thread with all negative news first we need to equally introspect on ourselves and the way we have contributed to the current situation. Desidime as an institution /organisation runs on primarily 2 communities 1 is the user community and 1 is the ecommerece fraternity. We don’t pay even peanuts to use this service and those who pay in the way of affiliate commissions and sponsored coupons ie these ecommerece companies what do they get from these loots and tricks losses in tune of crores. Remember the merciless looting of I must say almost all of the ecommerece companies be it fk refer n earn, amazon irctc, mmt referral, oyo referral, ola money codes, Shopclues-Mobi loot, Paytm codes,fc account creation new users, Snapdeal loot, peppertap referral. Almost every ecommerece startup has suffered because of us and it’s merely karma hitting back on us. Remember dd isn’t responsible for anything it’s ourselves to blame. Blame the traders and looters and I must not shame to include myself who ruthlessly ensured that dd had to take these steps. Enjoy desidime rather than cribbing about it.


Well Written… So as far as Suggestions given earlier about trading goes, I agree, some were good suggestions and we must have read and discussed about it umpteen number of times internally. However, none of them solved the problem of unethical tricks and some dimers making trading a way of life/business. In fact if we had provided a trading platform, we were encouraging trading in a much bigger way and obviously the person getting the coupon/wallet etc does not know how it was obtained either (mostly unethical means)… If you see some of the threads in Trading & Classifieds, you would find coupons being sold which are actually available for FREE and even posted in hot deals online section. The day was not too far when some of these traders would say Pay me 20 rs and I would let you know about a good deal going on at XYZ store.


Trading of wallets should never be allowed but Kindly do allow trading of coupons/gift vouchers, gift vouchers atleast
It is easy to identify if any gift voucer is obtained in an unethical manner, most probably these gift vouchers will be of minimal amount 100 or 150 like amazon and obviously traders will be selling them in multiple numbers
There are genuine users who wanna trade their gift vouchers amounting to some thousands which are re-instated from returning a product [Like flipkart]
Chances are very less that someone can obtain a single gift voucher amounting to 2000 or 3000 unethically

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@DimerAbhi wrote:

@Amolverma.6 wrote:


Also @DimerAbhi please stop commenting nonsense


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Thank goodness you at least accepted that you are one of those who wrote nonsense. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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@DealSeeker wrote:

All good points. But please do allow trading of coupons for wallet money. That’s a valid and legal use-case for dimers like me who can not be online here 24×7. Being the forerunners in the Indian deals community, I am sure you have noticed the decreasing amount of time that coupon deals are live for — mostly due to hoarding by looters/traders; now they will just move to Whatsapp or other mediums.


How do we ascertain the means by which the seller might have got the coupon? For example, what will you say about selling of those coupons which we get by installing an app? Almost all the sellers get them by using BS/rooting which is definitely unethical. At first instance, even I was a bit taken aback by the decision to prohibit wallet exchange. But @anthrax.ut has a point when he says we do not know how the seller gathered it in the first place. If the company gets into an investigation, a gullible buyer may also get charged in the end. But it’s a different story that they have relaxed this rule now. I unconditionally welcome this move by DD, despite the fact that this affects a few genuine transactions as you have rightly pointed out, for the only reason that we should be ready to sacrifice a bit of our convenience to curb a greater evil. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

P.S.: We can’t do about the traders moving to WA for such activities. DD can only concentrate on keeping its platform clean. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_wink.gif

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@Magus wrote:

@DimerAbhi wrote:

@Amolverma.6 wrote:


Also @DimerAbhi please stop commenting nonsense


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Thank goodness you at least accepted that you are one of those who wrote nonsense. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_toungueout.gif

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Lol…

Abhi: are least stop commenting non sense in this thread.. many are trying to post important suggestions that can relax some of the admins decisions..

You how much time admins and mods have to spend just to filter out useful posts in this?
Think of now much man-power is getting wasted.

I’m trying to change your thinking …Please don’t get hurt and same message to all dimers who are posting nonsense posts.

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@Magus wrote:

@DealSeeker wrote:

All good points. But please do allow trading of coupons for wallet money. That’s a valid and legal use-case for dimers like me who can not be online here 24×7. Being the forerunners in the Indian deals community, I am sure you have noticed the decreasing amount of time that coupon deals are live for — mostly due to hoarding by looters/traders; now they will just move to Whatsapp or other mediums.


How do we ascertain the means by which the seller might have got the coupon? For example, what will you say about selling of those coupons which we get by installing an app? Almost all the sellers get them by using BS/rooting which is definitely unethical. At first instance, even I was a bit taken aback by the decision to prohibit wallet exchange. But @anthrax.ut has a point when he says we do not know how the seller gathered it in the first place. If the company gets into an investigation, a gullible buyer may also get charged in the end. But it’s a different story that they have relaxed this rule now. I unconditionally welcome this move by DD, despite the fact that this affects a few genuine transactions as you have rightly pointed out, for the only reason that we should be ready to sacrifice a bit of our convenience to curb a greater evil. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

P.S.: We can’t do about the traders moving to WA for such activities. DD can only concentrate on keeping its platform clean. https://cdn2.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_wink.gif


That’s thoughtful.

But at least they can allow trades between dimers like karma above 3000 etc.. Less chances of days or illegal acquired coupons. Or may be some other way to get the genuine dimer for trade.. it will definitely a problem for persons who missed great deals because of few dimers selfish-ness..

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@hese wrote:

…But at least they can allow trades between dimers like karma above 3000 etc.. Less chances of days or illegal acquired coupons. Or may be some other way to get the genuine dimer for trade.. it will definitely a problem for persons who missed great deals because of few dimers selfish-ness..


Sorry. I’m never comfortable with this Karma Cola. There are many instances where a gullible newbie has been cheated by a karma giant. In fact, many of the captains now got to that rank by sharing illegal tricks or begging for one all over the forum.
But we can definitely think of ways to design a completely ethical and safe trading forum. Hope the admins will discuss this with mods and other credible users to make it happen. https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif

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Right decisions
How do you make right decisions?
Experience
How do you gain experience?
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