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Friends laptop models hp ab032tx and hp ab522tx with time and windows updates booting time became slow. rest everything is ok. please help

SSD

- which ssd will fit in these models? which brand? capacity? how is service and durability?

- ssv vs nvme only speed difference?

- ssd in main slot, hdd in cd drive slot. how much read write will be slow from and to hdd as it is in cd drive? will it impact its health?

RAM

- ssd makes a pc fast. but in mobiles it is said more the ram the faster is the phone.

- why is it not true for pc’s?

- dont really need a ram but thinking about it as it might be needed for future use

Caddy
- Brand?How to be sure of size?

- Is the caddy fixed or can it come out like cd drive?

- if it does then it can cause issues.

toolkit/screwdriver

- suggest toolkit/screwdriver set best brand

Thermal Paste

- looking to clean internals once opened.thermal paste needed? suggest brand?after

- how much time does it dry up once opneed?

Cloning

- which is best software for cloning c drive from hdd to ssd?

- does it clone every file and folder, including system and user created, in c drive and then copy it to the ssd? other forums say that this step can create issues so a fesh install is required. is it true?

- suppose this step is okay and pc boots from ssd, then is it advisable to not format the windows files and folders in c drive in hdd, just in case there is any issue in the ssd and booting is required from hdd?

- suppose in current hdd 4 drives c,d,e,f. after adding ssd and making it primary drive it will become c drive and then next 4 drives will become d (old c drive), e, f, g correct?

planning to diy all of this as outside cost= 4000 labour charges+a full day will be required+mandatory to buy products from them.

@getready @LIMBO @bikidas2060 @andromeda

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Not a relevant advice: You should also add some training time/cost for the person taking up this DIY job.

More relevant advice will come very soon, running short of time

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Will revert back in half an hour.

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1. 2.5" SATA SSD. 500GB/1TB Samsung 870 EVO or Crucial MX500 (There’s no M.2 expansion slot of M.2/NVMe SSDs). About HDD/SSD via caddy, the performance depends on the SATA connector, HDD should be fine for SATA II or III but if you’re using an SSD in the caddy which uses a SATA II connector, then it won’t work at its rated speed

2. Faster storage is more important than the RAM speed IMO (be it PC or Phone). These laptops got two RAM slots and if its 1×8, then u get an additional 8GB stick

3. Caddy (2.5") size depends on the the optical drive (7/9.5/12.7mm depending on the thickness of the optical drive). And its fixed

4. Get a precision screen driver kit (I have the Mi Electric one)

5. Thermal paste replacement is required only when the CPU is removed from its slot – Everytime* (Brands : Artctic/Cooler Master). \

6. Not much idea about cloning ( I prefer clean installation* )

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Cloning the OS from a HDD onto SSD is not recommended although I can’t quite recall the exact reason.

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Depending on budget get Kingston A400<Crucial MX500<Samsung Evo 860/870 in that order, all three brands have official service centres in India. My laptop with older processor than these 2 laptops has sata 3 ports on both hdd & dvd drive slot so most likely same will be the case for these laptops. Use ssd in caddy fitted in dvd drive slot considering long term heath scenario of hdd.

Ram makes mobiles faster because the fixed storage in mobiles is already flash/ssd while in case of PC if ssd is not already there then no matter how much ram you add it will always be slower than a pc with ssd because entire operating system sits in hdd.

Get this caddy, it will be fixed & to take it out you will have to open the back panel of the laptop.

https://www.amazon.in/Storite-Optical-Drive-Cad...


Any typical set like this will do:

https://www.amazon.in/MINISO-Screwdriver-Profes...


For such old laptop models even the most basic thermal paste will do but you can get this:

https://www.amazon.in/ARCTIC-MX-4-2019-Compound...

Thermal paste need repasting after around 1-2 years depending on your usage.

For cloning use macrium reflect free to clone C drive to ssd, it will be best to use the ssd in a usb enclosure while doing this to avoid any issues. You should anyway have one such case for troubleshooting & data rescue.

https://www.amazon.in/ORICO-2577U3-BK-Enclosure...

Once the cloning is done disconnect ssd in usb enclosure & then install it via caddy & at the time of booting go to laptop bios boot menu & select ssd windows install as the boot drive. For even more precaution, disconnect/take out hdd before installing ssd caddy & don’t install hdd until laptop successfully boots from ssd in caddy in dvd drive.

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Tag, I’m also looking to replace CD drive with Caddy in my Dell laptop. 

Cloning is safe, I’ve done it few times using a third party software. Better to buy a Samsung SSD and use their Data Migration Software to make it simple. Otherwise you can use any third party software.

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SSD
- which ssd will fit in these models? which brand? capacity? how is service and durability?

https://www.crucial.in/compatible-upgrade-for/h...

https://www.crucial.in/compatible-upgrade-for/h...

Bhai as per these sites you will need a 2.5 inch SATA SSD. Brands! Nahh. Brands don’t matter much at least not with SATA ones. Their longevity depends upon usage.


- ssd vs nvme only speed difference?

For a common user, yes speed is the main point one witnesses when NVMe is pitted against SATA

- ssd in main slot, hdd in cd drive slot. how much read write will be slow from and to hdd as it is in cd drive? will it impact its health?

Depends upon the HDD. But a normal SATA SSD is way faster than its 7200 RPM wala HDD

This gives a practical example on the topic. 


RAM

- ssd makes a pc fast. but in mobiles it is said more the ram the faster is the phone.

- why is it not true for pc’s?

When an object drops from a height, after a while it achieves Terminal velocity. After attaining terminal velocity it does not get accelerated at 9.8 m/s^2 anymore. In the same manner every application has a limit. After a while needs become saturated. We need faster buses, memory lanes, faster processors. It is like adding 99 octane fuel to Honda Activa. Honda Activa will certainly burn 99 octane fuel but it wont be able to take advantage of it. We talk about monarchy vs socialism vs democratic stuff vs republic. Computers have become a republic. You need certain components. You assemble em and put an OS. My 30k laptop has the same OS running on it as yours 95k laptop does. So, after a threshold a user wont be noticing any differences in usage. In mobile phones things are radical. Different mobile manufacturers are opting for different tech. So, they are in monarchy regime. They are yet to graduate into a republic. And as per usage RAM’s need will be decided. 

Supercomputer uses 1.4 million GB of RAM to calculate a single second of human brain activity 

Source: https://www.itproportal.com/2014/01/13/supercom... Article dates back to good old 2014. 🙂

- dont really need a ram but thinking about it as it might be needed for future use

Caddy
- Brand?How to be sure of size?

Just go to a shop. I myself am confused as I have never put an SSD in DVD drive

- Is the caddy fixed or can it come out like cd drive?

Popping out will be a bad idea as we wont be wanting hot swap thing. It will be fixed as it will lack the spring load mechanism of the DVD drive



toolkit/screwdriver

- suggest toolkit/screwdriver set best brand

I will suggest sasta sundar and tikau brand https://www.amazon.in/Taparia-BS31-Driver-Multi...

Desi hai, reputed brand hai aur acha hai. Me khud use karta hun. Aap bhi kijie. 

Thermal Paste
- looking to clean internals once opened.thermal paste needed? suggest brand?after

Koi saa bhi HY 510 lelijie. Sasta sundar and tikau. Apke machines itne powerful nai hai. Ye acha chalega. https://www.amazon.in/DIGIFLOOR-Thermal-Compoun... hai product kaa link. Ye chinese goo ke naam pe infamous hai. Bhai kaam tagda karta hai lekin. Apun kaa performance machine hai toh apun https://www.amazon.in/Gelid-Solutions-GC-Extrem... use karta hai. Gelid laga dala toh life jhingalala. But ye gaming machines ke liye sahi hai normal laptops ke liye nai. Remember 99 octane wali analogy! wahi chiz

- how much time does it dry up once opneed?

3-4 years me ek baar paste karwa len. Heat sink jitne baar alag karen CPU se utne baar dalni hai. 

Cloning

- which is best software for cloning c drive from hdd to ssd?

- does it clone every file and folder, including system and user created, in c drive and then copy it to the ssd? other forums say that this step can create issues so a fesh install is required. is it true?

- suppose this step is okay and pc boots from ssd, then is it advisable to not format the windows files and folders in c drive in hdd, just in case there is any issue in the ssd and booting is required from hdd?

- suppose in current hdd 4 drives c,d,e,f. after adding ssd and making it primary drive it will become c drive and then next 4 drives will become d (old c drive), e, f, g correct?

Yes



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LIMBO wrote:

Cloning the OS from a HDD onto SSD is not recommended although I can’t quite recall the exact reason.

As far as I understand, when the OS installation happens, most files are unzipped or gets created. And whenever a file is stored in memory, the way it gets stored in the storage changed based on the storage type/file system like the sectors in case of HDD, and blocks in case of SSD. Both sectors and blocks are quite different. 

This explanation got a lot messy than what I thought to put.

Bottom line for Op: Go for fresh installation, my recommendation is not to clone when migrating from HDD to SSD.

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PC’s most of the time have a 128-bit wide memory bus whereas in mobile devices it’s usually 64-bit wide. Hence faster RAM is beneficial to make up for the shortfall to some extent. 

Secondly GPUs in mobile devices don’t have a separate memory pool all to themselves unlike discrete PC GPUs. Memory bandwidth plays an disproportionately important role in graphics intensive workloads. 

Lastly the memory controllers in x86 CPUs are more sophisticated and are able to get much closer to the theoretical bandwidth. 

PC’s also benefit from faster memory but it’s benefits are mostly limited to integrated GPUs and workloads like WinRAR etc. 

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1. 2.5" SATA SSD. 500GB/1TB Samsung 870 EVO or Crucial MX500 (There’s no M.2 expansion slot of M.2/NVMe SSDs). About HDD/SSD via caddy, the performance depends on the SATA connector, HDD should be fine for SATA II or III but if you’re using an SSD in the caddy which uses a SATA II connector, then it won’t work at its rated speed

2. Faster storage is more important than the RAM speed IMO (be it PC or Phone). These laptops got two RAM slots and if its 1×8, then u get an additional 8GB stick

3. Caddy (2.5") size depends on the the optical drive (7/9.5/12.7mm depending on the thickness of the optical drive). And its fixed

4. Get a precision screen driver kit (I have the Mi Electric one)

5. Thermal paste replacement is required only when the CPU is removed from its slot – Everytime* (Brands : Artctic/Cooler Master). \

6. Not much idea about cloning ( I prefer clean installation* )

1. paji how to find out if its sata ii or iii? i was planning to put ssd in place of hdd and hdd in caddy in dvd drive. is this a better option or ssd in caddy and why?

3. how to find optical drive size paji?

5. as laptops will be opened so is it good idea to apply paste or leave it as it is?

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guest_999 wrote:

Depending on budget get Kingston A400<Crucial MX500<Samsung Evo 860/870 in that order, all three brands have official service centres in India. My laptop with older processor than these 2 laptops has sata 3 ports on both hdd & dvd drive slot so most likely same will be the case for these laptops. Use ssd in caddy fitted in dvd drive slot considering long term heath scenario of hdd.

Ram makes mobiles faster because the fixed storage in mobiles is already flash/ssd while in case of PC if ssd is not already there then no matter how much ram you add it will always be slower than a pc with ssd because entire operating system sits in hdd.

Get this caddy, it will be fixed & to take it out you will have to open the back panel of the laptop.

https://www.amazon.in/Storite-Optical-Drive-Cad...


Any typical set like this will do:

https://www.amazon.in/MINISO-Screwdriver-Profes...


For such old laptop models even the most basic thermal paste will do but you can get this:

https://www.amazon.in/ARCTIC-MX-4-2019-Compound...

Thermal paste need repasting after around 1-2 years depending on your usage.

For cloning use macrium reflect free to clone C drive to ssd, it will be best to use the ssd in a usb enclosure while doing this to avoid any issues. You should anyway have one such case for troubleshooting & data rescue.

https://www.amazon.in/ORICO-2577U3-BK-Enclosure...

Once the cloning is done disconnect ssd in usb enclosure & then install it via caddy & at the time of booting go to laptop bios boot menu & select ssd windows install as the boot drive. For even more precaution, disconnect/take out hdd before installing ssd caddy & don’t install hdd until laptop successfully boots from ssd in caddy in dvd drive.

paji how to find out if its sata ii or iii? i was planning to put ssd in place of hdd and hdd in caddy in dvd drive. is this a better option or ssd in caddy and why?

paji caddy that u suggested will it fit in these two laptops?

as laptops will be opened so is it good idea to apply paste or leave it as it is?

@andromeda and @LIMBO paji gave good reasons to not clone hdd to ssd but problem is that we will have to notify employer and engage in approval to get company softwares installed again which will take long time and lots of paperwork so planning for cloning otherwise will have to stick to hdd sad

@guest_999 paji if budget does not allow usb enclosure then is there a way to clone hdd c drive to ssd? people on youtube are doing it. problem is that i have work related softwares so seeking help before proceeding

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bikidas2060 wrote:

SSD
- which ssd will fit in these models? which brand? capacity? how is service and durability?

https://www.crucial.in/compatible-upgrade-for/h...

https://www.crucial.in/compatible-upgrade-for/h...

Bhai as per these sites you will need a 2.5 inch SATA SSD. Brands! Nahh. Brands don’t matter much at least not with SATA ones. Their longevity depends upon usage.


- ssd vs nvme only speed difference?

For a common user, yes speed is the main point one witnesses when NVMe is pitted against SATA

- ssd in main slot, hdd in cd drive slot. how much read write will be slow from and to hdd as it is in cd drive? will it impact its health?

Depends upon the HDD. But a normal SATA SSD is way faster than its 7200 RPM wala HDD

This gives a practical example on the topic. 


RAM

- ssd makes a pc fast. but in mobiles it is said more the ram the faster is the phone.

- why is it not true for pc’s?

When an object drops from a height, after a while it achieves Terminal velocity. After attaining terminal velocity it does not get accelerated at 9.8 m/s^2 anymore. In the same manner every application has a limit. After a while needs become saturated. We need faster buses, memory lanes, faster processors. It is like adding 99 octane fuel to Honda Activa. Honda Activa will certainly burn 99 octane fuel but it wont be able to take advantage of it. We talk about monarchy vs socialism vs democratic stuff vs republic. Computers have become a republic. You need certain components. You assemble em and put an OS. My 30k laptop has the same OS running on it as yours 95k laptop does. So, after a threshold a user wont be noticing any differences in usage. In mobile phones things are radical. Different mobile manufacturers are opting for different tech. So, they are in monarchy regime. They are yet to graduate into a republic. And as per usage RAM’s need will be decided. 

Supercomputer uses 1.4 million GB of RAM to calculate a single second of human brain activity 

Source: https://www.itproportal.com/2014/01/13/supercom... Article dates back to good old 2014. 🙂

- dont really need a ram but thinking about it as it might be needed for future use

Caddy
- Brand?How to be sure of size?

Just go to a shop. I myself am confused as I have never put an SSD in DVD drive

- Is the caddy fixed or can it come out like cd drive?

Popping out will be a bad idea as we wont be wanting hot swap thing. It will be fixed as it will lack the spring load mechanism of the DVD drive



toolkit/screwdriver

- suggest toolkit/screwdriver set best brand

I will suggest sasta sundar and tikau brand https://www.amazon.in/Taparia-BS31-Driver-Multi...

Desi hai, reputed brand hai aur acha hai. Me khud use karta hun. Aap bhi kijie. 

Thermal Paste
- looking to clean internals once opened.thermal paste needed? suggest brand?after

Koi saa bhi HY 510 lelijie. Sasta sundar and tikau. Apke machines itne powerful nai hai. Ye acha chalega. https://www.amazon.in/DIGIFLOOR-Thermal-Compoun... hai product kaa link. Ye chinese goo ke naam pe infamous hai. Bhai kaam tagda karta hai lekin. Apun kaa performance machine hai toh apun https://www.amazon.in/Gelid-Solutions-GC-Extrem... use karta hai. Gelid laga dala toh life jhingalala. But ye gaming machines ke liye sahi hai normal laptops ke liye nai. Remember 99 octane wali analogy! wahi chiz

- how much time does it dry up once opneed?

3-4 years me ek baar paste karwa len. Heat sink jitne baar alag karen CPU se utne baar dalni hai. 

Cloning

- which is best software for cloning c drive from hdd to ssd?

- does it clone every file and folder, including system and user created, in c drive and then copy it to the ssd? other forums say that this step can create issues so a fesh install is required. is it true?

- suppose this step is okay and pc boots from ssd, then is it advisable to not format the windows files and folders in c drive in hdd, just in case there is any issue in the ssd and booting is required from hdd?

- suppose in current hdd 4 drives c,d,e,f. after adding ssd and making it primary drive it will become c drive and then next 4 drives will become d (old c drive), e, f, g correct?

Yes



biki paji crucial samsung both give same warranty period? and wd not making ssd? @getready + @guest_999

yaar dukandaar kholkar size check karne ka 500-600 le lega kya fayda. online nahi kahi en model ka size likha hoga?

not going for ram because as per suggestions it is not needed for current usage thanku friends

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1. paji how to find out if its sata ii or iii? i was planning to put ssd in place of hdd and hdd in caddy in dvd drive. is this a better option or ssd in caddy and why?

3. how to find optical drive size paji?

5. as laptops will be opened so is it good idea to apply paste or leave it as it is?

1. These devices are old, replace HDD with SSD and use the HDD in the caddy for media storage. 

& for SATA version, use apps like HWiNFO (Check under Drives – Interface, SATA II – 3Gb/S, SATA III – 6Gb/s)

2. Remove the drive from laptop and measure the thickness?

3. No need to replace thermal paste every time you open the laptop, do it when you remove the CPU/heatsink from its slot or when you notice high temp for CPU (use HWiNFO to monitor)

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kukdookoo wrote:

does this give idea about sata ii or iii and caddy size? @getready @guest_999 @bikidas2060

4:06 in first video, that’s the optical drive removed from laptop. Measure its thickness and get a caddy accordingly
For finding out the SATA connector spec, just use the HWiNFO app

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biki paji crucial samsung both give same warranty period? and wd not making ssd? @getready + @guest_999

yaar dukandaar kholkar size check karne ka 500-600 le lega kya fayda. online nahi kahi en model ka size likha hoga?

not going for ram because as per suggestions it is not needed for current usage thanku friends

RAM lelo paji. 8/16GB wala lelo. 

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1. These devices are old, replace HDD with SSD and use the HDD in the caddy for media storage. 

& for SATA version, use apps like HWiNFO (Check under Drives – Interface, SATA II – 3Gb/S, SATA III – 6Gb/s)

2. Remove the drive from laptop and measure the thickness?

3. No need to replace thermal paste every time you open the laptop, do it when you remove the CPU/heatsink from its slot or when you notice high temp for CPU (use HWiNFO to monitor)

1. please check


https://imgur.com/a/h...8M


https://imgur.com/a/u...pB


does it clear about sata ii or iii?


2. paji not possible right now as dont even have toolkit.really no other way to know about it sad companies dont mention anywhere

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RAM lelo paji. 8/16GB wala lelo. 

biki yaar kharcha bahut ho geya kisi ghar ke kaam pe so avoiding it if it will not help in speeding up system.

wd ssd nahi banati?

dost if hdd is shifted to caddy then does it reduce its life? + @guest_999

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Edit: It is SATA III

paji please explain more. it means sata 1 in both main hdd slot and in dvd drive?
sorry paji not having knowledge about these so asking many questions 🙏

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paji please explain more. it means sata 1 in both main hdd slot and in dvd drive?
sorry paji not having knowledge about these so asking many questions 🙏

Got confused toungueout
thought both pics are for Optical drive (Opened different pics each time), check the edit again

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Got confused toungueout
thought both pics are for Optical drive (Opened different pics each time), check the edit again



Controller for Optical drive is SATA I


It is SATA III for the default HDD





how much performance, read and write of hdd be reduced if it is fit into the caddy?

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Controller for Optical drive is SATA I


It is SATA III for the default HDD





how much performance, read and write of hdd be reduced if it is fit into the caddy?

SATA I is fine for HDDs (Max read/write speed ~150 MB/s)

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Edit 2:

Controller for Optical drive is SATA I

It is SATA III for the default HDD

@guest_999
paji now recommended ssd into main hdd slot only because of sata iii?

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@guest_999
paji now recommended ssd into main hdd slot only because of sata iii?

Currently available SATA SSDs are intended to be used with SATA III connectors (There’s backward compatibility with SATA II/I but you won’t get max read/write speed, ~150MB/s for SATA I, ~300MB/s for SATA II & ~600MB/s for SATA III)

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biki yaar kharcha bahut ho geya kisi ghar ke kaam pe so avoiding it if it will not help in speeding up system.

wd ssd nahi banati?

dost if hdd is shifted to caddy then does it reduce its life? + @guest_999

wd ssd banati hai

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Currently available SATA SSDs are intended to be used with SATA III connectors (There’s backward compatibility with SATA II/I but you won’t get max read/write speed, ~150MB/s for SATA I, ~300MB/s for SATA II & ~600MB/s for SATA III)

thanku paji. please help with knowing the caddy size somehow as it is only thing left to order.

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Bro, 

1. For, windows 10 / 11,  8GB of RAM is at least required. As system itself consume 2-3 gb RAM. Make sure you have 8 GB ram. 

2. Buy 250gb Samsung ssd.  Its R/W speed is better compared to other brands. You may use caddy, but in my Lenovo laptop, I had to make adjustments in caddy to match SSD connectors with laptops. Make sure you change download directory to HDD, as SSD have limited number of writes in TBs. Check ssd warranty.

3. Use Air blower to dust off internals. That is sufficient. Thermal paste change is only required when laptop / pc keeps rebooting on heating during game or other heavy work. Dont change paste for now. 

4. Use windows ultimate tweaker to disable windows update(must) and other irrelevant processes, services.  Windows updates  just spoil windows over time and cause booting issues. When you need update, do clean install with iso + pendrive. Once a year with windows April / may update.  Use rufus. In Additional, make your Wifi, lan metered connection through regedit(search google).  It will make significant increase in internet browsing.

For now, clean install latest windows 10 iso. Windows 11 is not so good for now.  you may use Next windows 11 release( April / may 22). Or use Windows 11 insider latest iso. Or just use latest windows 10 64 bit iso for now. 


With all these, you will get faster booting, faster program loading, web browsing. 

But no change will be in gaming fps / encoding / video processing etc.  These require CPUGPU upgrade. 

5. If you want to use cloner, acronis is good. You can clone, as only 1 part (ssd) has been changed.

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