Hotness The real truth of #BoycottChineseProducts

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There are very interesting threads on Desidime !

Sonam Wangchuk is successful in getting the Indians to think.

Many of the dimers have also tried to make sense of what is going on and what is the reality.

But what are we up to ? – Is the main question. What do we want to accomplish with #BoycottChinaProducts ?

The first call given by our PM was of Atmanirbhar Bharat. Whatsapp was full of messages telling us what is Chinese Vs. what is Indian. The meaning of “Atmanirabharta” was twisted in those messages.

Desidime is having multiple threads on Chinese phones. Some asking for suggestions of Indian alternatives and some cursing OnePlus 8 Pro’s successful flash sale.

I think without getting into any kind of paranoia of any sort it is important for us to acknowledge that what we all are trying is to serve a nationalistic cause. So it is important for us to understand what we are doing.

Xioami, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus are all manufactured in India. Dont believe me ? Please google them. In fact Oppo, Vivo and OnePlus all are just different brands of a single parent – BBK Electronics, China. Lenevo laptops too get manufactured in India. Samsung, a S Korean company, also has a manufacturing facility in India. Except Samsung all are brands of China and invested heavily in India. They provide thousands of jobs to Indians working in their factories. That means thousands of Indian household earn their livelihood by working with these companies. Then there are Lakhs of people dependent on these thousands of households. There are distribution chains dependent on them generating further employment to Lakhs. These companies are registered in India, they pay taxes and spend at least the mandatory amount on CSR too. All these are legitimate businesses.

Agree, that many of components are still not being manufactured anywhere else in the world but China. Corona has given a wake-up call to the worlds and the world, including India is now working on being self-reliant – Atmanirbhar. But it is going to take some time – for the world. Even Apple and Google products are dependent on Chinese components.

Then there were people advising us on Ariel, Surf, Ghadi and all other FMCG products. Unaware of the fact that Hidustan Uniliver employs 21000 people in India as per 2019 data. It sources all the ingredients of its products from India. And pays licnese fee to its parent Uniliver only 1.4% of its total turnover. With this figures I am not sure we can mark HUL as “Videshi”. Just to avoid long writeups with similar statistics I am avoiding P&G and other FMCG companies.

While these Chinese/other-“foreign” companies have to pay a license fee to the parent in China/home-country but those are mostly in one-digit percentage and the remaining of the revenue goes into funding the business – read salary, infa – electricity, construction, maintenance and CSR and taxes. Some of the non-chinese companies are also listed on Indian stock exchanges. They face Indian audits, they are answerable to its shareholders and have created a huge wealth for their Indian shareholders too.

Before we get paranoid about the “Chinese” phone we need to decide whether we want to punish China or our own countrymen. Unless there are other alternative arrangements already in place, these Lakhs of people will become jobless and lose their livelihood. We will become vocal for local, but it will be possible only when the local options come up to provide “Rozi-Roti” to those working in the so called “videshi” companies.

I am sorry if I am hurting any of your sentiments. I respect your views and thoughts too. This post is just an effort to add an angle to a one dimensional discourse going around.

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Jo log ye bol rahe ki chinese company indians ko job de rahi, unhe ye jan lena chahiye ki non chinese company ke pas koi jadu ki chhari nahi hai jo direct consumer ko unka manchaha saman de di.

Unhe bhi india me apne store, service cener, manufacturing plant badhane honge as per demand, which leads to the employement only.

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Small correction

None of the brands mobiles are manufactured in India, they are just assembled in India

There is no manufacturing plant for mobiles in India

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BaahubaIi wrote:

Small correction

None of the brands mobiles are manufactured in India, they are just assembled in India

There is no manufacturing plant for mobiles in India

Big correction ..
Mobile toh koi bhi country ho assemble hii hota hai 😂😂
Koi t-shirt todi hai jo manufacturer hoga….

Baat rahi manufacturing kii toh wo toh part hote hai like camera, body, motherboard etc

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_Munna_michael_ wrote:

Mobile toh koi bhi country ho assemble hii hota hai 😂😂
Koi t-shirt todi hai jo manufacturer hoga….

Baat rahi manufacturing kii toh wo toh part hote hai like camera, body, motherboard etc

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_Munna_michael_ wrote:

Big correction ..
Mobile toh koi bhi country ho assemble hii hota hai 😂😂
Koi t-shirt todi hai jo manufacturer hoga….

Baat rahi manufacturing kii toh wo toh part hote hai like camera, body, motherboard etc

For assembly they need parts, those need to be designed and manufactured right. Even those are not done in India.

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varunurav wrote:

For assembly they need parts, those need to be designed and manufactured right. Even those are not done in India.

Ghar mein aata hai nahi to roti kahan se banegi🤣

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garamjalebi wrote:

Ghar mein aata hai nahi to roti kahan se banegi🤣

Oh we have roti design and manufacturing unit India? where do we export 🤣 joy

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BaahubaIi wrote:

Small correction

None of the brands mobiles are manufactured in India, they are just assembled in India

There is no manufacturing plant for mobiles in India

For example most of the electrical appliance companies of India follow the same strategy they get most of the parts manufactured in China and then assemble it in SEZ (special economic zone) in India.
There by they get double benefit of cheap manufacturing in China & privileges like tax exemption, cheap land for factories etc in India.
Then they label it made in India.
The above is followed by various types of industries in India.

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tangocash wrote:

For example most of the electrical appliance companies of India follow the same strategy they get most of the parts manufactured in China and then assemble it in SEZ (special economic zone) in India.
There by they get double benefit of cheap manufacturing in China & privileges like tax exemption, cheap land for factories etc in India.
Then they label it made in India.
The above is followed by various types of industries in India.

They do so as to compete with similar Chinese goods. PERIOD!

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Another editor’s opinion from The Print and The Quint 😛

PS. Everyone knows these things but why are the people frustrated with the Boycott Movement?
And regarding jobs: East India Company also provided jobs to millions of Indians. Praise them as well!

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Time_pass wrote:

Another editor’s opinion from The Print and The Quint 😛

PS. Everyone knows these things but why are the people frustrated with the Boycott Movement?

Boycott of what ? Our own people ?

Harming the livelihoods of our own countrymen ?

I am elated by the boycott and will put non-veg and Chinese imports in one category. Both are untouchable for me.

Can we equate Chinese imports and things getting manufactured in India under Chinese brands in the same category ?

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Boycott of what ? Our own people ?

Harming the livelihoods of our own countrymen ?

I am elated by the boycott and will put non-veg and Chinese imports in one category. Both are untouchable for me.

Can we equate Chinese imports and things getting manufactured in India under Chinese brands in the same category ?

Obviously Not. Take a deep breath and you’ll figure out the answers wink

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Time_pass wrote:

… East India Company also provided jobs to millions of Indians. Praise them as well!

East India Company was not regulated by any body.

There is not a single example of another East India Company in independent India. In fact India has a reputation of being notorious in terms of dealing with FDI and foreign businesses. Some world businessmen call it tax terrorism and policy flip-flops. Our SEBI, Income Tax, CCI, CAG and various Governments (any govt of Independent India) are accused of not being friendly to foreign investments.

Few examples – SC cancelled all telecom licences converting billions of dollars into zero. Recently Vodafone lost its case on AGR Dues. The only battle is on the duration of payment. In 2012-13 Nokia also bore the brunt. In 70s IBM and Coca Cola had to completely close their businesses and their total investment became zero. I can narrate many more but not doing so because that will make the post boring.

Cant compare East India Company and companies doing businesses in independent India.

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Going forward with boycotting made in China we should have 2 categories of stickers on all our products
1. Made in India(means all parts are made in India)❤️🇮🇳
2. Assembled in India(means some parts may be from outside)
So that people can go ahead and buy totally made in India and show support and other companies follow it and convert from assemble in India to totally make in India.

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Time_pass wrote:

Obviously Not. Take a deep breath and you’ll figure out the answers wink

I already have the answers.

I am writing this so that you can also find the answers. laughing

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Possible alternative for Chinese phones with same price range and features

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Two days before the first iPhone was to be launched globally, Steve Jobs decided he wanted to change the screen. With 48 hours to go, managers at Apple’s Chengdu factory woke up 20,000 workers, who were staying in dormitories in the middle of the night, gave them a cup of tea and a packet of biscuits, and set them to work. They worked non-stop for 48 hours and managed to change the screen in time for the launch. Do you think we would ever be able to do that in India?

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East India Company was not regulated by any body.

There is not a single example of another East India Company in independent India. In fact India has a reputation of being notorious in terms of dealing with FDI and foreign businesses. Some world businessmen call it tax terrorism and policy flip-flops. Our SEBI, Income Tax, CCI, CAG and various Governments (any govt of Independent India) are accused of not being friendly to foreign investments.

Few examples – SC cancelled all telecom licences converting billions of dollars into zero. Recently Vodafone lost its case on AGR Dues. The only battle is on the duration of payment. In 2012-13 Nokia also bore the brunt. In 70s IBM and Coca Cola had to completely close their businesses and their total investment became zero. I can narrate many more but not doing so because that will make the post boring.

Cant compare East India Company and companies doing businesses in independent India.

Single answer to your lengthy formulation: Bribe Bribe and Bribe!

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If you read History (which honestly even I didn’t read very well😛) you will realise that East India company was given a very small space to operate in India [Regulation right?] . Thereafter they played all the tactics (won’t elaborate but you may already know about them! you don’t know but apply common sense) to further gain control of even entire India. And you are saying that it wasn’t regulated? Wow… Similarly these Chinese companies may be regulated for a short time but eventually they’ll be able to control our economy, if we have people like you. Anyways, they are already finding loopholes in our country by using information war, misguiding people, bribing politicians, using paid propaganda articles. If you aren’t careful now, maybe you’ll realise later as it happened with Sri Lanka and soon Pakistan…and with Nehru😛 as well!

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Jigglypuff wrote:

Two days before the first iPhone was to be launched globally, Steve Jobs decided he wanted to change the screen. With 48 hours to go, managers at Apple’s Chengdu factory woke up 20,000 workers, who were staying in dormitories in the middle of the night, gave them a cup of tea and a packet of biscuits, and set them to work. They worked non-stop for 48 hours and managed to change the screen in time for the launch. Do you think we would ever be able to do that in India?

That seems very harsh on the labours, hope they got compensated accordingly.
Sadly exploitation of labour keeps costs down in developing nations and that’s a major reason developed countries use them as their sweatshops and manufacturing hub.
What to do.

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tangocash wrote:

That seems very harsh on the labours, hope they got compensated accordingly.
Sadly exploitation of labour keeps costs down in developing nations and that’s a major reason developed countries use them as their sweatshops and manufacturing hub.
What to do.

The minute you try to set up something, you will have [to contend with] trade unions, collective bargaining and labour troubles such as strikes. In China, 10-hour shifts are the norm; there is no overtime and workers receive incentives on per-piece production. China’s productivity norms are very high, which is why the goods are so much cheaper.

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China doesn’t depend on us for anything. In 1990, India and China had the same per capita GDP. China liberalised in 1976 and we started in 1991. But they went past us in1986. The differential opened up from 2000, when China’s per capital GDP began to double every four or five years. They touched $1 trillion in 1996, while we touched a trillion in 2000. Today, 20 years later, we are at $2.5 trillion while they are at $13 trillion — brought about by their expansion into the world market, when they began exporting in a big way. Till 1995, we didn’t really import anything from China. And then suddenly, we began importing everything from them. Our growth and [previous] expansion of 8.5 per cent was fueled, in part, by competing with, buying from and learning from China.

Nothing will come of this current call for a ban. If there is no escalation of events at the border, I see Modi taking a trip to China in December. On Thursday, the government awarded a contract for a tunnel on the Meerut-Dehradun Road, to STEC Singapore. It is actually a subsidiary of a Chinese firm called Shanghai Tunnel Engineering Company. The Chinese have genuine contempt for us. And right now, they’re probably laughing at us for insisting on a boycott that will never take place.

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East India Company was not regulated by any body.

There is not a single example of another East India Company in independent India. In fact India has a reputation of being notorious in terms of dealing with FDI and foreign businesses. Some world businessmen call it tax terrorism and policy flip-flops. Our SEBI, Income Tax, CCI, CAG and various Governments (any govt of Independent India) are accused of not being friendly to foreign investments.

Few examples – SC cancelled all telecom licences converting billions of dollars into zero. Recently Vodafone lost its case on AGR Dues. The only battle is on the duration of payment. In 2012-13 Nokia also bore the brunt. In 70s IBM and Coca Cola had to completely close their businesses and their total investment became zero. I can narrate many more but not doing so because that will make the post boring.

Cant compare East India Company and companies doing businesses in independent India.

You may not have heard about Vodafone Tax evasion case!
Don’t blame everything on current FDI policy!

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Chinese smartphone makers have already built factories and created jobs in India.
India’s emergence as the biggest overseas market for Chinese mobile phone companies is one of the most significant developments in China’s relations with India over the past five years.
Last year, four of the top five best-selling smartphone makers in India were Chinese: Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo and Realme, according to market research firm IDC. South Korea’s Samsung, the only non-Chinese brand, was the No. 2 seller.

The India sales of those top Chinese smartphone brands totaled more than $16 billion in 2019, according to IDC.
And all of them have manufacturing facilities in India. Doing so allowed the Chinese firms to both embrace Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make in India” program and avoid stiff import tariffs. Xiaomi manufactures 95% of the phones it sells in India locally.
“So if you’re talking about cutting down the sales or shipment for these guys, it also impacts the factories that they have in India,” which will “absolutely” affect Indian jobs. campaigns urging Indians to boycott Chinese goods have happened before, during previous border skirmishes. But they never put a dent in sales of Chinese smartphones in India.
So even though many Indians are vowing to cut off Chinese hardware and software, “I really don’t think it’s going to change their buying decisions at all,”
“They’re so dependent on these Chinese phone ecosystems, there’s hardly any other choices.”

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Chinese smartphone makers have already built factories and created jobs in India.
India’s emergence as the biggest overseas market for Chinese mobile phone companies is one of the most significant developments in China’s relations with India over the past five years.
Last year, four of the top five best-selling smartphone makers in India were Chinese: Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo and Realme, according to market research firm IDC. South Korea’s Samsung, the only non-Chinese brand, was the No. 2 seller.

The India sales of those top Chinese smartphone brands totaled more than $16 billion in 2019, according to IDC.
And all of them have manufacturing facilities in India. Doing so allowed the Chinese firms to both embrace Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make in India” program and avoid stiff import tariffs. Xiaomi manufactures 95% of the phones it sells in India locally.
“So if you’re talking about cutting down the sales or shipment for these guys, it also impacts the factories that they have in India,” which will “absolutely” affect Indian jobs. campaigns urging Indians to boycott Chinese goods have happened before, during previous border skirmishes. But they never put a dent in sales of Chinese smartphones in India.
So even though many Indians are vowing to cut off Chinese hardware and software, “I really don’t think it’s going to change their buying decisions at all,”
“They’re so dependent on these Chinese phone ecosystems, there’s hardly any other choices.”

Regarding Xiaomi:

Jain added that almost 95 per cent of Xiaomi’s phones are made in India with 65 per cent of the phone’s value sourced domestically.

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Jigglypuff wrote:

China doesn’t depend on us for anything. In 1990, India and China had the same per capita GDP. China liberalised in 1976 and we started in 1991. But they went past us in1986. The differential opened up from 2000, when China’s per capital GDP began to double every four or five years. They touched $1 trillion in 1996, while we touched a trillion in 2000. Today, 20 years later, we are at $2.5 trillion while they are at $13 trillion — brought about by their expansion into the world market, when they began exporting in a big way. Till 1995, we didn’t really import anything from China. And then suddenly, we began importing everything from them. Our growth and [previous] expansion of 8.5 per cent was fueled, in part, by competing with, buying from and learning from China.

Nothing will come of this current call for a ban. If there is no escalation of events at the border, I see Modi taking a trip to China in December. On Thursday, the government awarded a contract for a tunnel on the Meerut-Dehradun Road, to STEC Singapore. It is actually a subsidiary of a Chinese firm called Shanghai Tunnel Engineering Company. The Chinese have genuine contempt for us. And right now, they’re probably laughing at us for insisting on a boycott that will never take place.

That was the fault of previous Scamgress governments 😛 (not entirely though, very debatable subject!). They gave UNSC permanent membership to China, didn’t wanted to give damn to US.

Read this to know more why China progressed but India didn’t:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019...

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Time_pass wrote:

You may not have heard about Vodafone Tax evasion case!
Don’t blame everything on current FDI policy!

Did you ?

It seems you are practicing shoot and scoot.

You better read about it. And find out the what was the end result. Its not a very old case. It was during the two UPA Govts only. You will be able to find it and get your answer yourself !! laughing

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Time_pass wrote:

Single answer to your lengthy formulation: Bribe Bribe and Bribe!

EDIT:
If you read History (which honestly even I didn’t read very well😛) you will realise that East India company was given a very small space to operate in India [Regulation right?] . Thereafter they played all the tactics (won’t elaborate but you may already know about them!) to further gain control of even entire India. And you are saying that it wasn’t regulated? Wow… Similarly these Chinese companies may be regulated for a short time but eventually they’ll be able to control our economy, if we have people like you (No offense intended). Anyways, they are already finding loopholes in our country by using information war, misguiding people, bribing politicians, using paid propaganda articles. If you aren’t careful now, maybe you’ll realise later as it happened with Sri Lanka and soon Pakistan…and with Nehru😛 as well!

Pity on your history ! And on top of that you are teaching it !!

It was the only company in the world history which kept its own real army !

Every few years, people have raised these types of doubts and cast aspersions on India. What you are saying is called protectionism. Long back when Manmohan Singh became FM he threw it away. Vajpayee further liberalized the country and Modi wholeheartedly embraced it. At that time the fear was from the US companies, now what you have is from Chinese companies. Nothing has changed. Thankfully, India no longer subscribes to views of people like you who wants to keep India backward.

I can only laugh that you think that the Chinese companies have the wherewithal to do what East India Company could do laughing And the fact is that this country has seen many other major companies from around the world and there are evidences to prove otherwise.

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