Let's Define the Trading Rules together

today @anthrax.ut is in free mood that why doing gossip with all of us

I will Edit The Post. @anthrax.ut Kindly Confirm??

@VaibhavJain wrote:

Meanwhile no one noticed ki @anthrax.ut ne topic mai together ki spelling galat likhdi hai @DealSeeker kyaa yarr, tumne bhi nhi kia notice

Juz like ur Axis Bamk Gift Card channel alert

@ravitejaa425 wrote:

*I have a idea on my mind, little hassle but good secure one,

A = Buyer
B= Seller
C= DD Mod (a specify Mod for this work)
Subject: Here A want to buy a paytm coupon from B, But He can’t buy until C Verify it,

Process: A and B will send a request to C about the deal, Instantly C will take the paytm coupon from A and C will take the Payment from B in DESIDIME WALLET

Next Step: C will mail the code to A and then C will transfer the payment to B wallet(Desidime wallet →>> seller wallet)
Thats it, Deal end

But for this DD team must have somethings…
1) A specific Mod for this purpose who can deal instantly,
2) Some wallets(mobikwik/paytm/citrus/oxigen/blah blah) to deal with buyer and seller
3) A REQUEST DEAL option on every threads in trading section, so that who ever want to deal with Op they can send request…
#JustASuggestion !!!*

This is wat is known as an Escrow/Middleman system

@anthrax.ut wrote:

@ishandon

What happens is….. in an excitement of trade…. some one shares there banking details in forum

and now some one can create a fishing mail to get your other details… which is a huge risk for dimers….

If phishing is the only problem, I think that can happen with wallet accs also

Ask both sellers & buyers to give karma points (+ve or -ve) after transaction & make that karma log visible to everyone..That’s all.

Now this will show how some dimers are getting 100’s of karma daily

@DealLooter wrote:

Ask both sellers & buyers to give karma points (+ve or -ve) after transaction & make that karma log visible to everyone..That’s all.

Now this will show how some dimers are getting 100’s of karma daily

+1 for making the Karma Log public.

BTW, this is not going to solve any problem related to trading as fraudsters will just keep creating new IDs like they already do.

OT: Also, as I have mentioned many times before, people should not be allowed to leave anonymous karma.

@soccergiants wrote:

I will Edit The Post. @anthrax.ut Kindly Confirm??

Who edited this post to fix the tag to anthrax? I remember seeing it broken when you first posted this.

It’s a sticky thread so we can’t edit the posts ourselves (unless a bug in the app/mobile platform allows this?).

@Plato wrote:

@Hustler wrote:

@Plato wrote:

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Speaking on Behalf of Desidime

Nah! I don’t behalf or belittle anyone. Spoke in Full ( I, Me, Myself) as suggestions. Responded to DealSeeker’s SMS Alert.

Kryptonic Yes. DD pm service is slow. But I prefer to keep Desidime in loop when dealing with strangers or some High Rank Soldier for The First time. It gives me blind reassurance, trust & immense comfort that someone is watching us and trade will be smooth. Worked well so far. <img src="https://cdn1.desidime.com/assets/textile-editor/icon_smile.gif" alt="smile" border="0"/></blockquote><br /> Actually IMO "Hustler":http://www.desidime.com/users/...91 was referring to himself, not you w.r.t. Speaking on Behalf of DD comment

And seriously, do you think a fraudster would give a damn abt DD pm

@Infected Mushroom wrote:

@Hustler Not certain that only newbies fraud
Even newbie can host couple of giveaways and get rank increased

Yes but Majority of Frauds are done by NewBies Only !!
Making new account after every Suspension !!
Can anyone control this ??
Answer : No

And when we Highlight a Fraudster we are told to Trade at our own Risk !!
@anthrax.ut

@32bore A regular Fraudster !!
Was anything done about this when I highlighted it ??
No..
It was Shown the T&C to Trade at my Own Risk..
http://www.desidime.com/forums/trading-classifi...

If the Risk is all ours, why is there a need for the Rules ??

#Hustle

@DealSeeker wrote:

@DealLooter wrote:

Ask both sellers & buyers to give karma points (+ve or -ve) after transaction & make that karma log visible to everyone..That’s all.

Now this will show how some dimers are getting 100’s of karma daily

+1 for making the Karma Log public.

BTW, this is not going to solve any problem related to trading as fraudsters will just keep creating new IDs like they already do.

OT: Also, as I have mentioned many times before, people should not be allowed to leave anonymous karma.

#Hustle

@DealSeeker Thanks for alert via channel. Back again online to give few suggestions

@anthrax.ut

We’ve a trading forum, which we could use for the below

1. Mobile Number verification – The Trading forum will be locked for them until they do mobile number verification
2. People below 100 Karma will not be having access to Trading Forum- People has to contribute to forum/community only then they can get access to trading forums.
Note : we see many users creating new accounts and trade and dump the accounts, they doesn’t contribute to DD, so I would say they shouldn’t be able to access trading forum unless they have 100 Karma. With implementation of above this can be avoided.
3. Trader/Buyer should be registered as Trader before they could start trading i.e we can implement a batch which will indicate they’re registered Traders. If buyer sees the batch he can trade with that specific person as his mobile number has been verified and he will be having more than 100 Karma.
4. Everyone person has to trade only via messaging on DD. Messages on whatsapp or any other apps/websites will not be accepted to mention that a trader/buyer is fraud.
5. Most Important People should mention the cost, mode of paytm and details of item on their post. If it is not mentioned, it’ll indicate that he has plans of trading via Bank accounts(it has happened earlier and I think it is correct).

If anything else comes up on my mind, I’ll be adding it to this specific post.Hope above points will help to some extent.

Good Luck DD Team!!
Thanks!!
Twister

@Twister Thanks for highlighting the importance of mobile number verification. Some others have also suggested this in the past. And I tried to say the same here recently: http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

I don’t quite see the utility of a “Trader” badge as according to your other points, everybody with 100+ Karma would get that badge anyway. If you are trying to make it an admin approved/verified, manual badge then you are trying to put unnecessary burden and responsibility on the admins for no benefit to them, which they will never agree to. But I agree with the rest of your points.

http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...
http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

CC @ravitejaa425 @thementalist @TechINC @mxguys

There should be something like Trading Points, just like karma. And trading forum should be open only to people who are 1 month old(time restriction) and also should have 10 posts (no of posts restriction).

Trading points should show previous trades, and trade score can be given by both, buyers and sellers. People with karma above 1000 can only give trade points(Karma restriction).

I think this should lessen the frauds as you can only reduce them but not avoid them.

@Twister wrote:

@DealSeeker Thanks for alert via channel. Back again online to give few suggestions

@anthrax.ut

We’ve a trading forum, which we could use for the below

1. Mobile Number verification – The Trading forum will be locked for them until they do mobile number verification
2. People below 100 Karma will not be having access to Trading Forum- People has to contribute to forum/community only then they can get access to trading forums.
Note : we see many users creating new accounts and trade and dump the accounts, they doesn’t contribute to DD, so I would say they shouldn’t be able to access trading forum unless they have 100 Karma. With implementation of above this can be avoided.
3. Trader/Buyer should be registered as Trader before they could start trading i.e we can implement a batch which will indicate they’re registered Traders. If buyer sees the batch he can trade with that specific person as his mobile number has been verified and he will be having more than 100 Karma.
4. Everyone person has to trade only via messaging on DD. Messages on whatsapp or any other apps/websites will not be accepted to mention that a trader/buyer is fraud.
5. Most Important People should mention the cost, mode of paytm and details of item on their post. If it is not mentioned, it’ll indicate that he has plans of trading via Bank accounts(it has happened earlier and I think it is correct).

If anything else comes up on my mind, I’ll be adding it to this specific post.Hope above points will help to some extent.


Good Luck DD Team!!
Thanks!!
Twister

Instead of DD messaging, we can have option of real time chatting, where seller and buyer can chat.

@DealSeeker wrote:

@Twister Thanks for highlighting the importance of mobile number verification. Some others have also suggested this in the past. And I tried to say the same here recently: http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

I don’t quite see the utility of a “Trader” badge as according to your other points, everybody with 100+ Karma would get that badge anyway. If you are trying to make it an admin approved/verified, manual badge then you are trying to put unnecessary burden and responsibility on the admins for no benefit to them, which they will never agree to. But I agree with the rest of your points.

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@admin @anthrax.ut I would like to take this opportunity to point out again that you should seriously consider an escrow system, not only for the benefit of dimers, but also as an additional line of revenue for yourself. Try it as a short-term experiment if you don’t immediately agree with my point.

http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...
http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

CC @ravitejaa425 @thementalist @TechINC @mxguys

Seriously that’s a damn perfect solution!

@anthrax.ut i Don’t Thing We Can Stop Fraud ( Practically its Not Possible ) But Yes We Can Fix Accountability To Reduce Frauds
According To Me:

Before Trade
✓ Registered ( Verified ) Number
✓ Minimum Deal Cadet ( 100 or 200 Karma Points/ Strictly No Space For Newbie B’Cuz U Have To Contribute In This Community Before Earning )
✓ *You Should Start Some One Time Deposit System For Sellers ( Like You Have To Deposit 100/200 Paytm/Mobi/e.t.c. To DD We Can Say Virtual Trading Licence On DD…. In Case Of Any Fraud At least We Can Compensate Buyer )

After Trade
▻ After Successful/Unsuccessful Trade…Acknowledge Trade Activity As : -1/0/+1 As Trade Point( Continue 3 tyms -1 Will Ban You Temporary For Trade Activity & Admin Will Review Your Trade Activity )
( Trade Point Is Visible or Not Itz Up To You DD )

i Am Not In Favor Of Chat Or 3rd Person Intervention This’ll Lead Slowness / Sluggishness / Unnecessary Delay And Privacy Naam Ki Bhi Koi Cheez Hoti Hain Yaar

@anthrax.ut I think a few good suggestions have already been provided. Now we are waiting for your feedback/actions. Don’t let this thread slowly die down as it happened with some other threads in the past.

@DealSeeker wrote:

@Twister Thanks for highlighting the importance of mobile number verification. Some others have also suggested this in the past. And I tried to say the same here recently: http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

I don’t quite see the utility of a “Trader” badge as according to your other points, everybody with 100+ Karma would get that badge anyway. If you are trying to make it an admin approved/verified, manual badge then you are trying to put unnecessary burden and responsibility on the admins for no benefit to them, which they will never agree to. But I agree with the rest of your points.

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@admin @anthrax.ut I would like to take this opportunity to point out again that you should seriously consider an escrow system, not only for the benefit of dimers, but also as an additional line of revenue for yourself. Try it as a short-term experiment if you don’t immediately agree with my point.

http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...
http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

CC @ravitejaa425 @thementalist @TechINC @mxguys

While I do find the above solution plausible…In my opinions there’s one point which needs to be worked out :

The commision shouldn’t be prohibitively high : As because even if its a noticeable amount many of us would like to use alternate (one-to-one) means of exchange , more so when atleast one of the party involved is reliable. I mean say some senior,reliable user (in my view) wants to do a exchange (say paytm to mobik) , I could very easily give him my side of exchange first without any hesistation.

Such an exchange bypassing the official channel would be banned and would make transactions involving less risks expensive .

If such transactions involving two consenting parties be allowed to go in parallel , then it undermines the escrow system.

@thementalist wrote:

@Plato wrote:

@Hustler wrote:

@Plato wrote:

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Speaking on Behalf of Desidime

Actually IMO @Hustler was referring to himself, not you w.r.t. Speaking on Behalf of DD comment

And seriously, do you think a fraudster would give a damn abt DD pm

Oops! My mistake in understanding the comment. Sincere apologies Hustle

Wish i could edit that and write Plato was there but its anthrax.ut ( what is the meaning of anthrax? ) ’s uneditable post

Regarding Fraudster comment : Mujhe nahin pata.

1.How can we avoid fraud
Only if Desidime control all transaction
2.How can we make sure, that trade is not restricted to only few people but everyone can participate
3.How can we avoid financial data not going in the wrong hand
and such things

For 2 and 3

Step 1: DD provide details about what r the payment methods are used in trading section

Step 2: DD create account in all payment methods provided.buyer send money to DD and seller gets money from dd.DD is responsible for everything..

Step 3: We all are done a transaction via DD acounts..(DD take a 1-2% as commision).

Otherwise just shutdown money trading……

@Plato wrote:

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…anthrax.ut ( what is the meaning of anthrax? ) ’s…
…

I am more interested in the meaning behind “ut”. Anthrax is the name of a metal band like Metallica or Slayer (as well as the name of a lethal bacterial disease ). @anthrax.ut?

@Twister wrote:

@DealSeeker Thanks for alert via channel. Back again online to give few suggestions

@anthrax.ut

We’ve a trading forum, which we could use for the below

1. Mobile Number verification – The Trading forum will be locked for them until they do mobile number verification
2. People below 100 Karma will not be having access to Trading Forum- People has to contribute to forum/community only then they can get access to trading forums.
Note : we see many users creating new accounts and trade and dump the accounts, they doesn’t contribute to DD, so I would say they shouldn’t be able to access trading forum unless they have 100 Karma. With implementation of above this can be avoided.
3. Trader/Buyer should be registered as Trader before they could start trading i.e we can implement a batch which will indicate they’re registered Traders. If buyer sees the batch he can trade with that specific person as his mobile number has been verified and he will be having more than 100 Karma.
4. Everyone person has to trade only via messaging on DD. Messages on whatsapp or any other apps/websites will not be accepted to mention that a trader/buyer is fraud.
5. Most Important People should mention the cost, mode of paytm and details of item on their post. If it is not mentioned, it’ll indicate that he has plans of trading via Bank accounts(it has happened earlier and I think it is correct).

If anything else comes up on my mind, I’ll be adding it to this specific post.Hope above points will help to some extent.


Good Luck DD Team!!
Thanks!!
Twister

I find your suggestions 1,2,4,5 most practical. Having a moderator 24/7 for trading is not a practical option. Making an escrow is too much burden fr DD, I believe. Hence, there should be a system in place that takes care of minimal possibility of an occurrence of fraud.

Though, I would like to add some of my own.

1. As one number might not be sufficient as mentioned of some other dimer before. A trader can register and authenticate more than 1, say max 5 numbers. And, is allowed to trader via ONLY those numbers.
2. A log system must be in place where the members can see and verify the authenticity of the traders’ previous transactions.
3. Even though a user can take the conversation out of the realms of DD but he/she has to report about nature/time/mode of transactions done on the same thread where the traders met.
4. I suggest not to restrict the nature of items to be restricted. That is the users can trade/sell anything(ofcourse legal). Even, physical items just like OLX/Quickr. Since, there would be already a reputation system for traders it would be good for members to buy from a trusted/known member.

Lastly, OFF-TOPIC but since we are at it, please take a look at my other suggestion too.
Here- http://www.desidime.com/forums/suggestions-issu...

@DealSeeker wrote:

@Plato wrote:

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…anthrax.ut ( what is the meaning of anthrax? ) ’s…
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I am more interested in the meaning behind “ut”. Anthrax is the name of a metal band like Metallica or Slayer (as well as the name of a lethal bacterial disease ). @anthrax.ut?

Anthrax bhai have studied at University of Texas , hence the nostalgia.
But, who knows the naughty mind.

@gaurav9656 wrote:

While I do find the above solution plausible…In my opinions there’s one point which needs to be worked out :

The commision shouldn’t be prohibitively high : As because even if its a noticeable amount many of us would like to use alternate (one-to-one) means of exchange , more so when atleast one of the party involved is reliable. I mean say some senior,reliable user (in my view) wants to do a exchange (say paytm to mobik) , I could very easily give him my side of exchange first without any hesistation.

Such an exchange bypassing the official channel would be banned and would make transactions involving less risks expensive .

If such transactions involving two consenting parties be allowed to go in parallel , then it undermines the escrow system.

Escrow system is more of a convenience, rather than an obligation. Also, if some sort of Trader Reputation system (which is common in almost all major forums – no relation to karma) is implemented, then dealing with dimers having higher trader repo (who can also double up as middlemen) can be done without the need of escrow. And ofc, if escrow system is bypassed, then DD bears no responsibility of dispute resolution.

I don’t know if mobile verification serves any real purpose, bcoz if we are transferring to wallets like mobi/paytm, we already know the mob no. Or the most common situation is we have multiple sims, most of which remain switched off 24/7 hence no real contact possible

@DealSeeker wrote:

@Plato wrote:

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…anthrax.ut ( what is the meaning of anthrax? ) ’s…
…

I am more interested in the meaning behind “ut”. Anthrax is the name of a metal band like Metallica or Slayer (as well as the name of a lethal bacterial disease ). @anthrax.ut?

Someone already asked this question and the reason is already out there

You just need to search for it

@ishandon wrote:

@DealSeeker wrote:

@Plato wrote:

…
…anthrax.ut ( what is the meaning of anthrax? ) ’s…
…

I am more interested in the meaning behind “ut”. Anthrax is the name of a metal band like Metallica or Slayer (as well as the name of a lethal bacterial disease ). @anthrax.ut?

Someone already asked this question and the reason is already out there

You just need to search for it

here it is — http://www.desidime.com/forums/hot-deals-online...

@thementalist wrote:

@gaurav9656 wrote:

While I do find the above solution plausible…In my opinions there’s one point which needs to be worked out :
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If such transactions involving two consenting parties be allowed to go in parallel , then it undermines the escrow system.

Escrow system is more of a convenience, rather than an obligation. Also, if some sort of Trader Reputation system (which is common in almost all major forums – no relation to karma) is implemented, then dealing with dimers having higher trader repo (who can also double up as middlemen) can be done without the need of escrow. And ofc, if escrow system is bypassed, then DD bears no responsibility of dispute resolution.

I don’t know if mobile verification serves any real purpose, bcoz if we are transferring to wallets like mobi/paytm, we already know the mob no. Or the most common situation is we have multiple sims, most of which remain switched off 24/7 hence no real contact possible

Sounds fine

@ishandon wrote:

@DealSeeker wrote:

I am more interested in the meaning behind “ut”. Anthrax is the name of a metal band like Metallica or Slayer (as well as the name of a lethal bacterial disease ). @anthrax.ut?

Someone already asked this question and the reason is already out there

You just need to search for it

@anthrax.ut My 2005 winter was dedicated to this game! And, although the below screenshot doesn’t show it, I swear I also completed the Final Tournament Challenge. Picked it up while trying to control my addiction to Halo.

CC @Plato

1. Dont allow Newbie in trading section. I have seen many dimers getting cheated by newbies, who got promoted as deal cadets in just few trading threads.
OR
Allow dimers who have above 100 dimes or so in trading section.
2. Ban the IP if any dimers caught cheated, so that they can’t use the same IP.

@anthrax.ut wrote:

@DealSeeker wrote:

I will reserve my inputs for later. But we should take some time to revisit earlier discussions on this topic.

http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t... (see the links in this post)

As for why newbies can’t and shouldn’t be treated the same way as old, established dimers:

http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...
http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...
http://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/t...

but we have seen istances when the old dimers themselves create IDs to trade….. and we have seen genuine new users…. who have added value to others…… so cant ignore them as well

@dealseeker view is very genuine and correct. I have seen many newbies in trading section promoted to deal cadet level in just few days.