Which A.C Is Best ?

@no fpd

dada, you have “really” scanned DD really well. Great data mining.

as for the to the point answer, well like always I wouldn’t be comfortable giving specific recco’s nor i am able to do so after taking a well informed view.
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since by now you practically know most of my views (notifications plus non notifiable posts :OOPS:)
rest assured, most bets with the better brands would go well.
just have to see which are supported properly at the location it needs to be installed and put to use.
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many brands simply dump that responsibility and do not even have official set-up and support which means one ends up relying on the dealer/ distributor who is contracted by brand for official service support too .

anything beyond 1100-1200 cubic feet and you need higher than 12000BTU capacity.

you do not need a hot and cold model right?

then simply take the brand or product that is readily supported and (if it is for current season) quickly available.

you can largely ignore the ratings: just like this Badge thing, the ratings too are specific to some time frame like an year only .

the myth or fact of inverter products is that for a larger upfront outgo, there ‘may’ be a payback in say 4-5-7 years of continued use for 7-8 months an year.

a scenario which isn’t common in case of home use

@no fpd

if you are interested in HnC types, I’d say CS-UA18PKY http://www.panasonic.com/in/consumer/home-appli... is good.

although, Panasonic tries to recall all previous year models and the new models with minor changes and a new model number is always way more costlier than the previous version.

@farzimaal recently took a 1.5 tonnege unit of Daikin. may be if you check with him if for your room dimensions this is okay and if Daikin is seriously present in WB, then try the 2-3 star model

again, I am not too brushed up on Bluestar or Voltas, the oldest of Indian names and they too might have some worthy options.

i am not dissuading you/anyone away from inverter tech products.

just that my irritation and bias seeps in, so i try not to tak about it.

despite the high costs in absolute terms ( and the fact that family only purchases such things locally in shops)
my folks have bought an inverter refrigerator (Hitachi) , an inverter front load 6.5kg (LG) and these 1 tonne each Daikins too are.

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sometimes i feel like it becomes an over-kill , since we anyway try to keep things simple. [at-least on the climate control bit and thus i felt that instead of spending on saving electricity, the monies would have been better spent in making electricity.]

even if not government aided, now solar panels and the whole set up costs have come down a lot than earlier.

in New Panvek, New Bombay http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/... it only happened recently by Govt to a Doctor’s row house.

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but in paschim Banga it has been in talks and implementation for long >> >> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata...?

@no fpd dada ek small advice achi lage to lo warna jane do .. Diakin is really good 1k-2k costly but agar hai ass pas support from Diakin go for it. 2nd) try n buy R-22 or Regular available gas model … coz sometime gas leakage in higher efficiency model gas (refrigerant) cause havoc. i had Godrej Eco Ac so called 7* (mktng – but used .9/hr) with R290 (if nt wrng- called green gas) in it and in a summer wo bi delhi ka ….gas leaked ..godrej dont keep that in regular stock too and for vendors also its not a running gas. So to arrange that gas it took 4-5 days and cost is way higher than r22 or r34 series. R22 is still locally available, local maintenance can be done and cheaper 600/fill 1 ton. jus a pointer …

just to add to what @Varun said:
NEVER try to match non-compatible parts or spares
[as in, in case of refrigerant if one thinks that lets cut corners and or if one is not available, lets use another type totally. that is a strict NO NO for efficiency/performance and more so, it might cause long term damage if done repeatedly. ]

so @no fpd moshai now you got some idea and two Dakin users atleast (no idea if Farzi got back to you) and good recco.‘s from the likes of cybertechie and Varun.
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still I’d say if OEM brands are around (some Napoleon of Delhi) which can source core parts of an OG or Sharp or Carrier and are 100% certain of giving support then try those. else VFM buys are Sharp, some LG models, Carrier and in local ones Bluestar has few models with all copper instead of aluminium, check with direct brand though.

Daikin, Hitachi, Mitsubishi are only recommended if the goodwill price paid over and above the realistic prices is supported by real on-ground support.

do check some of the posts @Tushar made in past few hours or since yesterday on some query topic w.r.t. load versus 1phase/2phase power supply

@Varun it is surprising to think that in a big city that too a metro such hotch-potch ‘saab maal nahi hai’ happened with a national brand.

is this instance of late, like within past 3-4 years.

I think due to environmental concerns and more so due to danda [aka compliance to standards] every known model sold now practically only use the new variants.

and in so far as I know, till 2014 i remember even the most hole-in-the-wall mechanic shop keeping a few cans of the respective variants in peak season when walk-in demands of local repair customers is high.

it is fair common now and most brands’ most models are ONLY on the newer variants.

CC: @no fpd moshai

@Spock @no fpd i bought in 2013 and till 2014 no issue smooth but leakage happend when thr was a high storm wind in delhi guess in 14-15 (lot of vehicles damaged and trees fall down) and second gas fill issue i faced when i was shifting my AC to new place. These gas come in CAN unlike cylinders which these guys carry like in R22. and yes friends pl. dont try to use other variant gas into the model its not made for can screw the compressor performance. R290 cans are not so regular with all AC and they aint the AC refrigerant which is in common use in many models . Still all affordable AC and chiller plants, Fridges use R22 or R134 variant. other variant like R290 (propane) has some issues in handling also thus vendors cant keep bulk lot except industrial suppliers. So i would recommend R22 or R134.

Regarding Experience i have used Diakin in split, cassette, Duct all forms in 2 of my plants and till date apart from maintainance no complains and all of them r always on 8hr shift 4 hr idle. I have used Hitachi, Carrier too and these also never got us in any truouble except some minor ones. But Diakin/ Carrier are good compressors, efficiencies, cfm’s but nly lack is sometime support. But AC ain’t rocket science some basic issues nly come in household AC which has common troubleshooting. I’ll recomend also to take AMC after your warranty over a least 1 yr.

Inverter technology is good but my thinking is too much instru or automation electrical makes the function more complicated and it save some amp on startup in efficiency basis. longer term its beneficial but household ac’s 5* is enuff. AC bada le lo ache rating ka … inverter nly if u get in 38-42k.

*Tube lambi mat dalna keep it within 10 ft, maintain slopes, clean filters dust in 2-3 weeks, keep shade to outer unit if possible, blow the air in outer unit to remove dust, insulation check proper, take good time in installation n be involved.

@Spock wrote:

@no fpd

if you are interested in HnC types, I’d say CS-UA18PKY http://www.panasonic.com/in/consumer/home-appli... is good.

although, Panasonic tries to recall all previous year models and the new models with minor changes and a new model number is always way more costlier than the previous version.

@farzimaal recently took a 1.5 tonnege unit of Daikin. may be if you check with him if for your room dimensions this is okay and if Daikin is seriously present in WB, then try the 2-3 star model

again, I am not too brushed up on Bluestar or Voltas, the oldest of Indian names and they too might have some worthy options.

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i am not dissuading you/anyone away from inverter tech products.

just that my irritation and bias seeps in, so i try not to tak about it.

despite the high costs in absolute terms ( and the fact that family only purchases such things locally in shops)
my folks have bought an inverter refrigerator (Hitachi) , an inverter front load 6.5kg (LG) and these 1 tonne each Daikins too are.

.
sometimes i feel like it becomes an over-kill , since we anyway try to keep things simple. [at-least on the climate control bit and thus i felt that instead of spending on saving electricity, the monies would have been better spent in making electricity.]

even if not government aided, now solar panels and the whole set up costs have come down a lot than earlier.

in New Panvek, New Bombay http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/... it only happened recently by Govt to a Doctor’s row house.

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but in paschim Banga it has been in talks and implementation for long >> >> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata...?

planning to buy mitsubishi 1.5 ton 5 star..whats ur opinion dimers??

As per my extended research I have shorted out some of the AC models which comes in a common range with the following criterias

Type: Inverter
Capacity: 1.5 Ton
Copper coil Condenser
Price range: +- 40-50K (online including CB)

Now which is the best among all ??

Any good hot n cold Inverter AC?

1. Daikin 1.5 Ton Inverter Split AC White(FTKP50QRV16)
http://www.flipkart.com/daikin-1-5-ton-inverter...

ERR/COP -3.46 W/W
Indoor Noise Level -45 dB
Power Consumption -1445 W
Refrigerant -R22

2. Daikin 1.5 Ton Inverter Split AC (edited) White(FTKP50PRV16)
https://m.snapdeal.com/product/daikin-15-ftkp50...

Indoor Noise LevelHigh – 45 dB
EER -3.25 W/W
Refrigerant -R22
Power Consumption -1445 W

3. Hitachi 1.5 Tons Inverter Split AC White(RAU018HVEA)
http://www.flipkart.com/hitachi-1-5-tons-invert...

Refrigerant R-410a
Power Consumption-1525 W
Noise Level – Indoor 32 db
Air Circulation (Out) 583 CFM
EER-3.61

4. Hitachi 1.5 Tons Inverter Split AC Copper(RAU318EWEAS)
http://www.flipkart.com/hitachi-1-5-tons-invert...=

EER 3.96 W/W
Power: 1590 W
Refrigerant R-410a

5. Hitachi 1.5 Ton Inverter Ace RAU019EUEA Split Air Conditioner
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/hitachi-15-ton-...

Noise Level – Indoor 32 db
Wattage 1448 Watts
Air Circulation : 583 CFM
EER -3.80
Refrigerant R-410a

6. Hitachi RAU518AWEA
http://compareindia.ibnlive.com/specification/a...

7. Carrier 1.5 Ton Inverter Superia Plus K Plus Split AC – White
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/carrier-15-ton-...

Indoor Noise Level 48 dB
Refrigerant R410a
Power Consumption -1727 W

8. Panasonic 1.5 Ton Inverter CS/CU-YS18RKY Split Air Conditioner – White
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/panasonic-15-to...

Noise Level – Indoor H/L/Q-LO: 46/32 dB (A)
Wattage-1580 Watts
10.82 EER, 17,100 Btu/h ??

@Spock @sheetalvarunyadav2223 @farzimaal

@Spock @farzimaal @no fpd

1) Option (1) is good – but cooling only ( heat + cool + inverter is very costly, opt for blower and this ac )
2) Refrigerant R22 its R32 Series. R32 is in many way better than inverter friendly gas R410a bdw both are sort of uncommon but mil jaana chahiye . R32 is more environmental friendly than R410 on basis of it Green House hampering capacity i.e. GWP. nly drawback compared to R410a is flammability but thts small and nothing to worry about as its A2 category which is mildly flammable (any how u keep LPG 14kg at home so not a problem, jus keep caution ) best part is charging capacity required in this one is Less. SO this is positive pt again.
3) Brand- Japanese mostly won’t let you down in tech. , support may be (as its not so very popular among common India) but that u need to check as per location.
4) Power consumption- Less in all the option .. hurrayyy
5) Price – Check on Paytm its in 41k after Cash back i guess.
6) Dont think much select one and le lo … kismat buri hoti hai to Uunt pe chade hue ko bi kutta kat jata hai … So select a best one as per suit and buy. All may be good having marginal + or – here and there.

Review after you purchase.

@Paisa_de bhai you may (if time or inclination permits) PM @no fpd what you did to me (our talk of industrious people and of assembled units )
@cybertechie bhai spoke similarly for the OEM ‘brand’ Napoleon (compressor imported/ smuggled of top brands and other good parts used and priced half the brand)

@Varun wrote:

@Spock @farzimaal @no fpd

1) Option (1) is good – but cooling only ( heat + cool + inverter is very costly, opt for blower and this ac )
2) Refrigerant R22 its R32 Series. R32 is in many way better than inverter friendly gas R410a bdw both are sort of uncommon but mil jaana chahiye . R32 is more environmental friendly than R410 on basis of it Green House hampering capacity i.e. GWP. nly drawback compared to R410a is flammability but thts small and nothing to worry about as its A2 category which is mildly flammable (any how u keep LPG 14kg at home so not a problem, jus keep caution ) best part is charging capacity required in this one is Less. SO this is positive pt again.
3) Brand- Japanese mostly won’t let you down in tech. , support may be (as its not so very popular among common India) but that u need to check as per location.
4) Power consumption- Less in all the option .. hurrayyy
5) Price – Check on Paytm its in 41k after Cash back i guess.
6) Do not think much select one and le lo … kismat buri hoti hai to Uunt pe chade hue ko bi @KuttaJi kat jata hai … So select a best one as per suit and buy. All may be good having marginal + or – here and there.

Review after you purchase.

if going for stand alone heaters / blowers in arid or dry places, always consider how optimal humidity of air is maintained.
especially so if small children or asthmatic people or old age people or pets will be around.
i came very close to buying something like www.amazon.in/dp/B00B...76 (it was around 3000 or less) but just pending as family needs to be convinced that they’ve to not make it either or debate for HEPA filter and humidifier.

@no fpd no way for anything over 1100 cubic feet (or about 12×10 and height 9ish) can you settle for anything less than 12000BTU in Kolk type of garmi.

so the Daikin 1 tonne is a no no, IMHO .

the Panasonic at that price (SD) isn’t looking right.

rest you really really have picked up key metrics technically and researched a lot.

not that i should be proud of saying it. #desidhan #kaladhan but do check who are your chosen brands’ master distributor in the region and if they can accept cash payment and |cough| bill it at X instead of N (in their books).

often that price in such cases is same if not better than on-line prices and please please be equally prudent and observant during each and every detail during installations as @Varun said.

especially http://www.desidime.com/searches/panasoni...be

edit: sorry, right link is www.desidime.com/searches/anti-vibration-pad , besides welding etcetera must be done with experienced hands and pressure tested. tubing dia ought to be as per specification and quality too. [if the brand says 6mm diameter is minimum recommended and even if last 2-3 feet pipe added of 5mm due to shortage/ unavailability too will create a subpar situation]

@no fpd
You can check this article as well

https://www.bijlibachao.com/top-ten-appliances/...

I’m also looking for AC 5 star but 1 TON and confused whether to go for Carrier or Voltas , carrier has great price difference